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Old Posted Apr 6, 2012, 4:51 PM
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And not to again criticise Moncton's addiction to sprawl, as I remember seeing a community garden project in Truro that utilised mature trees from newly deforested areas in Bible Hill, but Moncton's future infrastructural projects mostly involve clearing large portions of land; essentially, there would be plenty of opportunity to relocate healthy, mature specimens to the riverfront -- saving on the cost of new trees.
The Moncton Museum is being expanded (new Transportation Discovery Centre). About a half dozen trees are going to be removed and all but one of them are going to be transplanted to the Riverfront Park.

I see great potential in the future for expanding the Riverfront Park to the west ( the old dump AKA "Mount Rideout"). This area should all be treed.
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What an amazing building the Royal Exhibition Hall was. I wonder how it met its demise?
I believe it was damaged extensively in the explosion...
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I believe it was damaged extensively in the explosion...
There were at least two Exhibition Buildings. The Royal Exhibition Hall on Tower Road - http://www.gov.ns.ca/nsarm/virtual/N...ves.asp?ID=680 - was built around 1880 prior to the construction of the Dominion Exhibition Building in the Northend, which is the one that was heavily damaged in the Halifax explosion - http://www.gov.ns.ca/nsarm/virtual/I...ives.asp?ID=40.

Here is a map of Halifax in 1894 which shows the Royal Exhibition Hall on the northwest corner of Morris Street and Tower Road - http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/histo...lifax_1894.jpg. I have not been able to find any information on when or why this was demolished. However, it was located were the All Saints Cathedral currently exists - Google Map link. The All Saints Cathedral's cornerstone was laid in 1908 - http://www.canadapages.ca/ns/halifax...ll-saints.html. So sometime between 1894 and 1908, the Royal Exhibition Hall was demolished. The newer Dominion Exhibition Building in the Northend was built between 1895 - 1905 (http://www.gov.ns.ca/nsarm/virtual/I...ives.asp?ID=40), so maybe the Royal Exhibition Hall just became redundant(?)

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I should imagine that with this bit of snow we got HRM will have an excuse not to clean up and open the Public Gardens.

There are Titanic ceremonies and events starting this week and this city didn't find it in everyone’s best interest to have the park in top-notch shape and open for the public and visitors.

I think the Gardens is a symbol of the mindset of the city it terms of our "can't do" attitude. Instead of taking an asset like the gardens and making it available to everyone while promoting tourism we do just the opposite. We allow the park to sit there in deplorable condition, locked while there are major events occurring in the city.
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They all spoke against winter access because it may destroy some cheap tulip beds. Fact is, they are all wrong. The Public Gardens is a much bigger asset then Citadel Hill. This city "surprise ...surprise" hasen't found a way to tap into that.

The Public Gardens should be open 365 days a year and there is no compelling arguement to negate that....

There has never been a study from the "City of studies " to prove that the Gardens should be closed....[only in Halifax]
Thanks for addressing my question. Somebody should start a website that chronicles all of the STV, HT, friend's of [insert place] stances.

Its funny that they are opposed to every GOOD idea. They need to be accountable for what they say, selective memory isn't an excuse.
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Thanks for addressing my question. Somebody should start a website that chronicles all of the STV, HT, friend's of [insert place] stances.

Its funny that they are opposed to every GOOD idea. They need to be accountable for what they say, selective memory isn't an excuse.
They are, more accurately, opposed to any change that they think threatens whatever they are "Friends" of. Around here, being opposed to change is an easy sell and the media loves to give them lots of play.
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- Apr. 10, beautiful sunny day in Halifax
- 100's of visitors in town for Titanic week
- People strolling the boardwalk etc.

- Public Gardens still a pigsty ...
- One or two workers painting trim on washrooms
- Locked up like a prison

HRM scorecard for Public service - zero

This town needs a serious swift kick in the twisted knickers. There is no explanation imaginable why the gardens shouldn't be ready for this week beginning last Sat.
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- Apr. 10, beautiful sunny day in Halifax
- 100's of visitors in town for Titanic week
- People strolling the boardwalk etc.

- Public Gardens still a pigsty ...
- One or two workers painting trim on washrooms
- Locked up like a prison

HRM scorecard for Public service - zero

This town needs a serious swift kick in the twisted knickers. There is no explanation imaginable why the gardens shouldn't be ready for this week beginning last Sat.
- Apr. 11, beautiful sunny day in Halifax
- 100's of visitors in town for Titanic week
- People strolling the boardwalk etc.

- Public Gardens still a pigsty ...
- No workers working
- Locked up like a prison

HRM loves getting national & international black eyes for stupidity
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Didn't they used to have a model of the Titanic floating in the pond at the Public Gardens?

Somebody is asleep at the switch here......
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Didn't they used to have a model of the Titanic floating in the pond at the Public Gardens?

Somebody is asleep at the switch here......
Yeah, its still there actually.
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- Apr. 11, beautiful sunny day in Halifax
- 100's of visitors in town for Titanic week
- People strolling the boardwalk etc.

- Public Gardens still a pigsty ...
- No workers working
- Locked up like a prison

HRM loves getting national & international black eyes for stupidity
If the story below is correct then you don't have much longer to wait. However, with global warming it should be able to open even earlier in the future.

(source: http://www.halifaxnewsnet.ca/News/20...pen-April-12/1 )
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Public Gardens to open April 12

Published on April 4, 2012

Residents and visitors will soon be able to once again enjoy the beauty and charm of Halifax Public Gardens. This year the gates will open on Thursday, April 12. The hours for the Gardens will run from 8 a.m. to dusk each day.
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Full Story - http://www.halifaxnewsnet.ca/News/20...pen-April-12/1
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Didn't they used to have a model of the Titanic floating in the pond at the Public Gardens?
I heard it sank.
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Have to agree with Empire here. I was in the area this afternoon and would have loved to let the kids run in the park (where it's safe) and the Gardens were locked like Fort Knox.

It really should be open in winter. Skating on the pond would be nice. There could be lots of uses.

How much extra would it cost to have the sidewalks plowed per season? Not that much i bet.
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I propose we lock up citadel hill between Nov and April. There would be savings on maintenance and there would be no risk of people being hurt, damaging and defacing the fortifications or ruining the grass.

Let's be safe and prudish across the board in a town that thrives on conservatism!
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Xmas fantasy land

I'd love to see the Public Gardens turned into a Christmas Fantasy Land with light and various props, music, etc. Could be used as a fundraiser for various charities, eg IWK could be asked to develop a display in a certain section, along a certain theme and visitors could donate on site.
Various other groups and or business' could also sponsor for causes.
Could it be possible to pave certain walkways for winter access?
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I'd love to see the Public Gardens turned into a Christmas Fantasy Land with light and various props, music, etc. Could be used as a fundraiser for various charities, eg IWK could be asked to develop a display in a certain section, along a certain theme and visitors could donate on site.
Various other groups and or business' could also sponsor for causes.
Could it be possible to pave certain walkways for winter access?[/
Point Pleasant Park is open all winter and the paths are exactly the same crusher dust as the Public Gardens. Also, the Public Gardens is perfectly flat where Point Pleasant Park has some very steep inclines. (scary steep...dangerous) It's all a smoke screen for laziness and being tight with money where it isn't justified.

Also HRM wouldn't want to admit they have been absolutely wrong for 75 years by insisting they lock up one of the finest examples of Victorian gardens in North America. Complete shame to HRM for this ill-advised destructive policy.
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Also HRM wouldn't want to admit they have been absolutely wrong for 75 years by insisting they lock up one of the finest examples of Victorian gardens in North America. Complete shame to HRM for this ill-advised destructive policy.
The public gardens are Victorian, indeed, which may be feeding a bias in HRM. This category of garden came about upon the commercialisation of temperate and tropical trees and flowers in nothern latitudes. I suspect many people in this city believe this garden is simply unusable during the winter months, with only a minimal amount of evergreens to gaze upon.

This garden is somewhat bland during the winter, to be honest. Many improvements would have to be invested in to bring the garden's appearance up to par, in an absence of colour.
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The public gardens are Victorian, indeed, which may be feeding a bias in HRM. This category of garden came about upon the commercialisation of temperate and tropical trees and flowers in nothern latitudes. I suspect many people in this city believe this garden is simply unusable during the winter months, with only a minimal amount of evergreens to gaze upon.
People in Halifax have a strange, almost colonial attitude about their city's climate. The winter is just considered a downside of living there and is something to be suffered through. I don't entirely disagree, but many other places have a different attitude.

Here in Vancouver the weather is definitely warmer for part of the year, but it is not actually that much warmer than Halifax. The average Vancouver December high is +6 and in Halifax it is +3. Many Vancouverites consider their city almost tropical (maybe because they are comparing winters to places like Edmonton or Winnipeg) and you see a lot of patios that are heated and open year-round. Vancouverites will sit outside when it is +5 and spitting rain. Meanwhile, Halifax is "closed for business" even though occasionally you can see +10 or +15 in the winter. Actually you see a lot of +3 or +5 and sunny in the winter in Halifax, which I would argue is better than +6 or +8 and rain in Vancouver.

You can also look at Quebec City. They have a much harsher climate but embrace it and have lots of winter events. Admittedly, part of that is because they have reliable snow and freezing temperatures whereas Halifax winters are frequently brown and damp. Still, if you can go outside in Quebec City in -10 you can go outside in Halifax in +1!

I guess this is changing a bit with the Oval, and hopefully the gardens will be opened in the winter. Another factor is that the city needs more population density so that there is demand even outside of the tourist season (realistically, Halifax is not going to get a lot of people visiting on cruise ships in January).
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How about a victoria style greenhouse somewhere in the Public Gardens with rare tropical plants. Could be a great anchor for winter time.
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People in Halifax have a strange, almost colonial attitude about their city's climate. The winter is just considered a downside of living there and is something to be suffered through. I don't entirely disagree, but many other places have a different attitude.
Colonial?

From my understanding, people are just somewhat turned off from the snow-then-rain precipitation pattern. Vancouver mostly experiences rain.

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Many Vancouverites consider their city almost tropical (maybe because they are comparing winters to places like Edmonton or Winnipeg).
Compared to those other cities, I can see how this exaggeration may be prevalent in Vancouver.

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You can also look at Quebec City. They have a much harsher climate but embrace it and have lots of winter events. Admittedly, part of that is because they have reliable snow and freezing temperatures whereas Halifax winters are frequently brown and damp. Still, if you can go outside in Quebec City in -10 you can go outside in Halifax in +1!
There is no poll to which we can refer to see which city has the more active, outdoor population; however, I've been to Point Pleasant Park on most winter days and it has always been relatively busy.

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I guess this is changing a bit with the Oval, and hopefully the gardens will be opened in the winter. Another factor is that the city needs more population density so that there is demand even outside of the tourist season (realistically, Halifax is not going to get a lot of people visiting on cruise ships in January).
I would still like to see the gardens jazzed-up. The evergreens, as well as the bare deciduous trees, could simply be more utilised by wrapping some nice LED lights around them.

And we don't even have to call them 'Christmas trees'.
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