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Old Posted Jul 14, 2018, 5:05 PM
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i think the PPS locale is the better spot when you think in the car-oriented, surface lot tradition.

PDX could maybe take an approach using something light and low-lying, vs tall and bulky monolith, that would be very mass-transit/ped/bike-oriented.
perhaps using only an airport-like drop-off/pick-up area for taxis, soccer moms, ubers, buses, etc.

calatrava's design for the athens olympic stadium...


Estadio ‘Das Dunas Arena’ terminado...
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Or the other possibility I haven’t heard mentioned is gateway. It might not be the first site that jumps to mind, but it is a transit-accessible area with large landholders in need of an anchor institution (or two). There was a generation of ballparks (Baltimore, Detroit, San Francisco) that we’re all about taking a leap of faith and investing in a run down late 19th century neighborhood. I think it would be interesting to see a similar concept that was about revitalizing and urbanizing a late 20th century district.
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Or the other possibility I haven’t heard mentioned is gateway. It might not be the first site that jumps to mind, but it is a transit-accessible area with large landholders in need of an anchor institution (or two). There was a generation of ballparks (Baltimore, Detroit, San Francisco) that we’re all about taking a leap of faith and investing in a run down late 19th century neighborhood. I think it would be interesting to see a similar concept that was about revitalizing and urbanizing a late 20th century district.
I love this idea! Kinda far for the Hillsboro side of town, but at least it's accessible by transit and freeway. If they were to build a large parking garage (I think they'd need at least 4,000 spaces), it could double as park-and-ride for transit.
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Old Posted Jul 14, 2018, 9:08 PM
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I have a hard time imagining a stadium on the Zidell land working very well. I'm also not ready to say goodbye to those beautiful renderings -- would much rather see that riverfront land become home to a collection of architecturally compelling buildings that ultimately complete the smaller-scale urban fabric from downtown south. That whole area is already broken up enough by the mess of freeway; it's hard to see how a stadium right there would help to knit things together.

One thing I'd be interested in seeing is the average MLB stadium footprint superimposed over the various sites under consideration.

The PPS/Broadway site seems like the best option to me for all the obvious reasons. Gateway is also compelling, especially if they deliver on all the promised housing units.
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Or the other possibility I haven’t heard mentioned is gateway. It might not be the first site that jumps to mind, but it is a transit-accessible area with large landholders in need of an anchor institution (or two). There was a generation of ballparks (Baltimore, Detroit, San Francisco) that we’re all about taking a leap of faith and investing in a run down late 19th century neighborhood. I think it would be interesting to see a similar concept that was about revitalizing and urbanizing a late 20th century district.
Only problem with the 3 cities you mentioned was that those neighborhoods were still located downtown. Gateway is way to far from downtown and from a good portion of the metro area to really work imo.
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With no traffic it’s about a 8-12 min drive.. if that..
I'll just leave that one to stand on its own.
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First of all Gateway is not far from downtown. With no traffic it’s about a 8-12 min drive.. if that..

Second, say gateway is somehow the preferred option where in gods name do you put a stadium there??
The only two realistic spots are the Mall 205 site or the Gateway Fred Meyer shopping center site. I can't think of any other area large enough for a stadium, has additional redevelopment potential and is near transit.
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excerpt from this july 10 article...
https://ballparkdigest.com/2018/07/1...ballpark-site/

“I think, optimistically, within a month we could announce the acquisition of property,”
he said during an appearance on “The Dwight and Aaron Show” on 620 AM.

Barrett said PDP is progressing in its bid to purchase a site for the stadium and has narrowed it down to two properties they’re really excited about. He added that the door hasn’t been shut on any of the properties they’re considering, some of which have been made public, some which haven’t.

“We are really kind of buckling down on a couple. I don’t want to limit it to two, but we’re really grinding on a couple right now that we’re really excited about,” he said.


EDIT and for those with bizjournal accounts (i.e., locked)...
https://www.bizjournals.com/portland...for-8-000.html

Why the Portland Diamond Project's plan for 8,000 housing units may be too far out in left field
The Portland Diamond Project’s grand vision for Major League Baseball in Portland includes developing 8,000 housing units over a decade around a new stadium. Delivering on that proposal could prove even more difficult than landing a MLB team.
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The only two realistic spots are the Mall 205 site or the Gateway Fred Meyer shopping center site. I can't think of any other area large enough for a stadium, has additional redevelopment potential and is near transit.
Just answering the question as I don't particularly think Gateway is the best location, however the old Elks Lodge and surrounding property could possibly be large enough. NE 99th to 102nd and NE Pacific to Irving. There is part of an apartment complex that would probably have to be purchased to make this work...
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Old Posted Jul 18, 2018, 7:42 PM
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PDP reps have explored the possibilities of five sites in Portland — the old Esco site, Portland Public Schools, Terminal 1 and 2 along the Willamette River and a South Waterfront property owned by the Zidell family.

Jay Zidell said two weeks ago he had met with PDP officials about the site, which the family calls "Zidell Yards," a spot located between the developed north and south ends of the South Waterfront.

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Most baseball stadium areas I know of are pretty dead almost all year.
Apparently, the average number of games scheduled per year per team is 162. If you have 1 game a day, then you have a game hosted 44% of the year.

That is a ton of games and a lot of activity. More than any other sport.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_...eball_schedule
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Apparently, the average number of games scheduled per year per team is 162. If you have 1 game a day, then you have a game hosted 44% of the year.

That is a ton of games and a lot of activity. More than any other sport.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_...eball_schedule
Only half of the games are home games though. The other half are played at the opposition's ballpark. Still 81 games is indeed a lot.
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2018, 7:12 PM
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Apparently, the average number of games scheduled per year per team is 162. If you have 1 game a day, then you have a game hosted 44% of the year.

That is a ton of games and a lot of activity. More than any other sport.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_...eball_schedule
it would be 44% if they got to play no double-headers all the games at home...
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You need to look at the modern day baseball stadium and how they fit them into the downtowns and make them destinations year round. It’s so much different than a basketball/hockey arena. They are usually open air and flow into the city/streets around. Plus as a poster already mentioned, they host twice as many games. 81 for baseball versus 41 for basketball.

You are right about that. Coors Field as others have mentioned turned the Denver LoDo are into a "destination." The Rockies are building off of that with this huge multi-use office, hotel, restaurant, condos across the street from the baseball park:





Other baseball clubs are doing the same to drive year around traffic to and near facilities.
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Old Posted Jul 20, 2018, 3:09 AM
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And I know first hand about what St. Louis has done with their ballpark village as well. These are areas even non sports fan gravitate to. I think it would make the south waterfront a huge destination and drive growth much more than a few more office buildings will.
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Wonder what the real chances of Portland getting an MLB team here--I think its a great fit for Portland. Hope we are not pawns for some other city
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Denver's LoDo might have grown in a similar way without the stadium. In any case, part of why it's grown is that it's easy to walk to the Downtown core. It might be less applicable in Portland depending on where the stadium is.

Having a stadium is a mixed-bag. Big crowds before and after games, but in Seattle's case Pioneer Square has a harder time attracting people on game days. There's the bar and restaurant crowd but less of the rug and gallery crowd.
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Wonder what the real chances of Portland getting an MLB team here--I think its a great fit for Portland. Hope we are not pawns for some other city
From what I am hearing, it is a very real chance Portland will be getting a MLB team. The league wants to expand by two more teams to even everything out, they want another west coast team, and even better a northwest team for a Seattle rival. A number of people in the MLB has stated Portland would be the number one choice.
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