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I didn't bother watching the Bye Bye this year but I heard the basics and that sketch had everything it needed to be a success (of course, it all hinges on execution) by mocking JT on two separate fronts at the same time (in both cases, things for which he didn't exactly shine in 2018).
Don't tell anyone but that was actually one of my favourite sketches of this Bye Bye...
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So the article wasn't actually by Patrick Lagacé but by François Cardinal. Though Lagacé would probably have said the exact same thing But more incisively.
Yup sorry, I'm used to quote Lagacé haha.
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Don't tell anyone but that was actually one of my favourite sketches of this Bye Bye...
As I said, at first sight it had all the ingredients for success, so I'm not surprised

(also, anyone who would think anything bad of you for liking it probably already considered you evil anyways, so it's irrelevant)
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As I said, at first sight it had all the ingredients for success, so I'm not surprised

(also, anyone who would think anything bad of you for liking it probably already considered you evil anyways, so it's irrelevant)
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I don't think immigration needs to be reduced, but we could be doing a better job at attracting better immigrants who integrate better. .

You mean like the people/government in Quebec integrates with English Canada?
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You mean like the people/government in Quebec integrates with English Canada?
If you're seeing the Quebec vs. English Canada issue through the lens of immigration (ie Québécois francophones are recent immigrants to a pre-established English-speaking country called Canada), then you're either not Canadian or maybe 12 years old.

I'll leave it up to you to tell us which one it is...
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Not really surprising, but Montreal Gazette cartoonist Aislin (actually quite the legend) drew up a cartoon comparing the CAQ and the KKK.

The newspaper's editor declined to publish it, but Aislin put it on his social media account anyway.

If you want to see it it's here in this article in French:

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle...gnes-religieux

Content in English:

https://www.cbc.ca/listen/shows/queb...gment/15669193
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This is par for the course for Aislin, who was (in)famous for regularly depicting PQ Minister Louise Beaudoin as a leather-clad, whip-swinging Ilsa The She-Wolf of the SS.

https://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&t...24.FT62bNs-OB0
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If you're seeing the Quebec vs. English Canada issue through the lens of immigration (ie Québécois francophones are recent immigrants to a pre-established English-speaking country called Canada), then you're either not Canadian or maybe 12 years old.

I'll leave it up to you to tell us which one it is...
Some view things through the worldview of "minority/less powerful group must assimilate to majority/more dominant group" (although few would admit to this worldview directly), which is a different lens than "immigrants assimilating to pre-established group", because in the former, it isn't necessarily about who was here first or not, but who's the majority/hegemonic group.

Assimilation isn't always about immigrants vs. "natives", in the eyes of some, and history shows it. The loss or reduction of the Irish, Welsh or Gaelic languages in the UK, or Aboriginal languages, from the New World and Australia to European languages like English and Spanish, and even then the loss of Spanish (and others like Cajun French, Dutch etc.) to English in North America, Uyghurs/Tibetan culture vs. Han Chinese, French regional languages vs. Parisian French are about "assimilation", in many cases, heavily coerced forced assimilation, but the one doing the assimilating isn't the latecomer.

English-speaking Canadians (or English speakers more broadly in the Anglosphere, who are lucky to speak a language that is hegemonic so much that they even expect English in places it's not native to) would rarely admit that assimilating is often about this kind of thing (eg. who's more powerful rather than who is later arriving or earlier arriving) though.
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This is par for the course for Aislin, who was (in)famous for regularly depicting PQ Minister Louise Beaudoin as a leather-clad, whip-swinging Ilsa The She-Wolf of the SS.

https://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&t...24.FT62bNs-OB0
But, unlike the CAQ/KKK thing, the Mme Beaudoin thing was very funny and well deserved.
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Some view things through the worldview of "minority/less powerful group must assimilate to majority/more dominant group" (although few would admit to this worldview directly), which is a different lens than "immigrants assimilating to pre-established group", because in the former, it isn't necessarily about who was here first or not, but who's the majority/hegemonic group.

Assimilation isn't always about immigrants vs. "natives", in the eyes of some, and history shows it. The loss or reduction of the Irish, Welsh or Gaelic languages in the UK, or Aboriginal languages, from the New World and Australia to European languages like English and Spanish, and even then the loss of Spanish (and others like Cajun French, Dutch etc.) to English in North America, Uyghurs/Tibetan culture vs. Han Chinese, French regional languages vs. Parisian French are about "assimilation", in many cases, heavily coerced forced assimilation, but the one doing the assimilating isn't the latecomer.

English-speaking Canadians (or English speakers more broadly in the Anglosphere, who are lucky to speak a language that is hegemonic so much that they even expect English in places it's not native to) would rarely admit that assimilating is often about this kind of thing (eg. who's more powerful rather than who is later arriving or earlier arriving) though.
It is still an inaccurate view in the sense of the terms with which I described it. Even if some still think national minorities should assimilate.
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It hasn't been mentioned on here, but part of the CAQ's plan was to cancel and reboot the immigration dossiers of 18,000 people who are currently living in Quebec. They would have refunded all expenses incurred during the aborted process, but the applicants would have to start from scratch again. As can be expected these people were not happy about this at all, and in terms of PR this was headed for a big fail for the CAQ.

This week a Quebec court ruled that the CAQ couldn't do this, and they said they'd comply with the ruling and process the files of those 18,000 more or less as originally intended.

I think this is a pretty sensible outcome.
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Sounds more like CAQ-Ka than CAQ.
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It hasn't been mentioned on here, but part of the CAQ's plan was to cancel and reboot the immigration dossiers of 18,000 people who are currently living in Quebec. They would have refunded all expenses incurred during the aborted process, but the applicants would have to start from scratch again. As can be expected these people were not happy about this at all, and in terms of PR this was headed for a big fail for the CAQ.

This week a Quebec court ruled that the CAQ couldn't do this, and they said they'd comply with the ruling and process the files of those 18,000 more or less as originally intended.

I think this is a pretty sensible outcome.
Saw that in the news but it was never clear to me what was wrong with these 18,000. Wouldn’t they be (in theory) “ front of the queue” types, assuming they met the objectives of the provincial program?
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Saw that in the news but it was never clear to me what was wrong with these 18,000. Wouldn’t they be (in theory) “ front of the queue” types, assuming they met the objectives of the provincial program?
I would assume so but it still would have been unfair IMO to have them start (what I assume to be a long) process all over again. Many of them have been waiting several years for their final acceptance and were close to getting it IIRC.
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I would assume so but it still would have been unfair IMO to have them start (what I assume to be a long) process all over again. Many of them have been waiting several years for their final acceptance and were close to getting it IIRC.
Indeed, I agree, but what was Legault’s perceived problem that led to him wanti to turf the and (I assume) start again?
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Don't get all excited people, but there was some interesting news on the secularism front in Quebec yesterday.

The City of Montreal has announced that it will be removing the crucifix from the council chamber and moving it to a historic exhibition space in city hall.

This sparked questions in Quebec City where the CAQ appeared a bit more open to doing the same with the crucifix above the speaker's throne in the Salon Bleu of the National Assembly.

Apparently this move would improve the chances of bringing the PQ on board for the CAQ's secularism bill. Today's PQ apparently thinks the crucifix must go. The CAQ doesn't need anyone's support but would like to have at least one opposition party with them on this one, for optics. For the PQ this is a departure from what they used to say under Pauline Marois, but hey, she's long forgotten I guess.

If this goes through then I guess Vid and a few others can go back to loving us like they used to do!
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Don't get all excited people, but there was some interesting news on the secularism front in Quebec yesterday.

The City of Montreal has announced that it will be removing the crucifix from the council chamber and moving it to a historic exhibition space in city hall.

This sparked questions in Quebec City where the CAQ appeared a bit more open to doing the same with the crucifix above the speaker's throne in the Salon Bleu of the National Assembly.

Apparently this move would improve the chances of bringing the PQ on board for the CAQ's secularism bill. Today's PQ apparently thinks the crucifix must go. The CAQ doesn't need anyone's support but would like to have at least one opposition party with them on this one, for optics. For the PQ this is a departure from what they used to say under Pauline Marois, but hey, she's long forgotten I guess.

If this goes through then I guess Vid and a few others can go back to loving us like they used to do!
Also of note, is that there will likely be a grand father clause for anyone currently working in public service sectors that would be affected by this bill.
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Don't get all excited people, but there was some interesting news on the secularism front in Quebec yesterday.

The City of Montreal has announced that it will be removing the crucifix from the council chamber and moving it to a historic exhibition space in city hall.

This sparked questions in Quebec City where the CAQ appeared a bit more open to doing the same with the crucifix above the speaker's throne in the Salon Bleu of the National Assembly.

Apparently this move would improve the chances of bringing the PQ on board for the CAQ's secularism bill. Today's PQ apparently thinks the crucifix must go. The CAQ doesn't need anyone's support but would like to have at least one opposition party with them on this one, for optics. For the PQ this is a departure from what they used to say under Pauline Marois, but hey, she's long forgotten I guess.

If this goes through then I guess Vid and a few others can go back to loving us like they used to do!
What was the PQ's problem with CAQ's "secularism" bill? I would have expected them to be all in.
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Also of note, is that there will likely be a grand father clause for anyone currently working in public service sectors that would be affected by this bill.
Was it ever established whether there IS anyone currently affected by this?
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