Sacramento Proposal/Approval/Construction Thread - III - Page 358

CAGeoNerd · #**7141** Posted **Dec 21, 2018, 5:56 AM**

The 29-story building in the River District is going to be a state building and they are moving thousands of employees that are currently spread out in various places all over. There will be thousands of employees moving to this building from downtown, Natomas, and other places. I'm guessing this is a big money-saving move by the state - consolidate thousands of employees into one location, get out of various old buildings spread out over the region. Not sure if this means there will be some buildings/space available for sale or redevelopment downtown, but I'd hope so.

ozone · #**7142** Posted **Dec 21, 2018, 4:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by j_deguzman10

Hi Guys! I've had this idea on my mind lately; what if at the Docks District there was a riverfront casino and hotel like the Rivers Casino in Pittsburgh and River Spirit in Tulsa?

Here's what I'm thinking; because the casino would be criss crossed by I-5 and I-80 there would be minimal noise pollution from the casino because the cars would block it out. It is walking distance from The Bridge District, The Mill, and Downtown so people coming from Kings Games or opponent teams' players can stay there and party or something there.

It could also be used by TBD as a marketing advantage like (live close to _____ casino, a state of the art entertainment center across the river) and the people living in TBD can take that pedestrian bridge the city wants to build, so in a way the Casino would be a catalyst to get that darn bridge finally built.

Let me know what you guys think about this idea, I personally think it is a viable option.

This is Pittsburgh's Rivers Casino.

This is the new River Spirit Casino in Tulsa.

This idea has actually been bandied about and discussed before. The problem is casinos are insular operations that do little to support the surrounding neighborhood. A large percentage of regular casino patrons are local, older and moderate-to-low income earners which is pretty the same demographic as Old Sacramento. That’s not direction the rest of the central city is going.

Korey · #**7143** Posted **Dec 21, 2018, 5:01 PM**

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I agree a 29-story building would look out of place there, but I'm OK with this project for the following reasons.

1. Since it's state agencies, it will be "dead-zone" nights and weekends. I'm happy to keep that out of downtown.

2. My understanding is state properties pay no property tax, so I'm happy they would build this densely on an existing state-owned property, instead of buying a private parcel and taking it off the rolls.

3. It's across the street from the Township 9 green-line light-rail stop.

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Originally Posted by CAGeoNerd

The 29-story building in the River District is going to be a state building and they are moving thousands of employees that are currently spread out in various places all over. There will be thousands of employees moving to this building from downtown, Natomas, and other places. I'm guessing this is a big money-saving move by the state - consolidate thousands of employees into one location, get out of various old buildings spread out over the region. Not sure if this means there will be some buildings/space available for sale or redevelopment downtown, but I'd hope so.

All really good points and I echo the call for renderings.

Regarding the casino idea, its seems like that industry (?) is only getting more competitive, but if Sacramento does a casino downtown I've long thought it would be cool to see a newly built retro style steamboat with a casino, hotel, nice restaurant and lounge, etc that can float lazily up and down the Delta. I would fear cannibalizing Delta King's business though, and I don't think simply adding a casino to the King is worthwhile or feasible even.

ltsmotorsport · #**7144** Posted **Dec 21, 2018, 9:07 PM**

I agree with many here that 7th and Richards is a decent spot to put more offices withe existing State property and LRT infrastructure. Hopefully the State follows the City's River District plans to put streets through the area.

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Also, I ran across the vision document for phase 3 of Sacramento Valley Station. It's just rendering porn/consultant welfare at the moment until funding is identified, but I do like their sketch of what could be:

http://www.cityofsacramento.org/-/me...INAL.pdf?la=en

NikeFutbolero · #**7145** Posted **Dec 22, 2018, 1:52 AM**

Can someone summarize this article for me please. Thank you.

https://www.bizjournals.com/sacramen...r-lack-of.html

enigma99a · #**7146** Posted **Dec 22, 2018, 2:47 AM**

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Originally Posted by NikeFutbolero

Can someone summarize this article for me please. Thank you.

https://www.bizjournals.com/sacramen...r-lack-of.html

James Diel, a downtown resident has appealed “If we allow an eight-story project to be constructed on this important site it will be at least two generations before such a mistake can be corrected,”

So we’ll see what happens. City has already given approval

CastleScott · #**7147** Posted **Dec 22, 2018, 3:34 AM**

^ Interesting story on the riverfront-noticed Louisville KY on the Ohio as the model in that pic shown on KCRA.

CastleScott · #**7148** Posted **Dec 22, 2018, 3:41 AM**

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Hi Guys! I've had this idea on my mind lately; what if at the Docks District there was a riverfront casino and hotel like the Rivers Casino in Pittsburgh and River Spirit in Tulsa?

Here's what I'm thinking; because the casino would be criss crossed by I-5 and I-80 there would be minimal noise pollution from the casino because the cars would block it out. It is walking distance from The Bridge District, The Mill, and Downtown so people coming from Kings Games or opponent teams' players can stay there and party or something there.

It could also be used by TBD as a marketing advantage like (live close to _____ casino, a state of the art entertainment center across the river) and the people living in TBD can take that pedestrian bridge the city wants to build, so in a way the Casino would be a catalyst to get that darn bridge finally built.

Let me know what you guys think about this idea, I personally think it is a viable option.

^ Now this would be a huge stop for the light rail green line heading between downtown to SMF airport-great idea j_deguzman10!!

j_deguzman10 · #**7149** Posted **Dec 22, 2018, 5:49 AM**

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Originally Posted by CastleScott

^ Now this would be a huge stop for the light rail green line heading between downtown to SMF airport-great idea j_deguzman10!!

I think that this is the most feasible option for The Docks. Let's face it, there is no way in our generation that 3 residential condos and hundreds of townhomes will be built on The Docks, and something like a park or a concert area or whatever else will not fit into that area. A casino, on the other hand, would work perfectly, considering that Sacramento does not have a casino of their own and other cities have done it successfully.

Think about it, if we build a casino the citizens in Sacramento won't have to drive all the way to Elk Grove or Roseville to gamble, they would just walk or bike or take a light rail to the Casino and we might even catch a few Bay Area or NorCal gamblers who typically go to Reno or Tahoe. The Sacramento Area is already growing as somewhat of a gambling hub with Wilton, Thunder Valley, Red Hawk, Jackson Rancheria, etc. so why not a casino in the Capital City? That would surely revitalize our riverfront and bring in jobs and economic output. Also, Sacramento might not be as "boring" with the addition of one.

ozone · #**7150** Posted **Dec 23, 2018, 3:23 AM**

^^^ I would not hold your breath. It’s unlikely to happen for a lot of different reasons. No I don’t think we’ll see the approved Docks Plan implemented, but I’m sure something else besides a casino can go there. I don't know why you say a park wouldn't fit there. Casinos do not have a good track record of revitalizing their surroundings. And it would probably bring in just as many problems. The traffic for one. Plus as a said earlier, the typical demographic and spending habits of casino patrons will do little to improve the area. The only thing that is going to make Sacramento less boring is more people living downtown and a casino might be more of a disincentive than a draw. I think given it's location between the freeway, river, and waste plant, a public park/space is probably the best option.

ozone · #**7151** Posted **Dec 24, 2018, 5:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by NikeFutbolero

Can someone summarize this article for me please. Thank you.

https://www.bizjournals.com/sacramen...r-lack-of.html

The proposed eight-story mixed-use project at 601 Capitol Mall is being appealed for being too short. I think the fuss being made over this one project is a bit much. I'd rather have 8 stories than a parking lot. Of course I'd prefer a tower (as previously proposed) but honestly its not a big deal. It will bring some housing to the mall and does fit with the scale of other housing projects underway in the area. There's plenty of other sites for high-rises downtown and this one might not be the most appealing for a luxury residential one.

j_deguzman10 · #**7152** Posted **Dec 25, 2018, 12:30 AM**

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Originally Posted by ozone

^^^ I would not hold your breath. It’s unlikely to happen for a lot of different reasons. No I don’t think we’ll see the approved Docks Plan implemented, but I’m sure something else besides a casino can go there. I don't know why you say a park wouldn't fit there. Casinos do not have a good track record of revitalizing their surroundings. And it would probably bring in just as many problems. The traffic for one. Plus as a said earlier, the typical demographic and spending habits of casino patrons will do little to improve the area. The only thing that is going to make Sacramento less boring is more people living downtown and a casino might be more of a disincentive than a draw. I think given it's location between the freeway, river, and waste plant, a public park/space is probably the best option.

Ozone how about something like Pike Place Market? Sacramento doesn't have a permanent market and while I'd prefer to see it go in the Railyards around the Central Shops, The Dock's is also livable.

gillynova · #**7153** Posted **Dec 27, 2018, 4:27 AM**

I haven't been to Sac in awhile. Are there any major construction projects in development?

Btw, go Kings!

novatone82 · #**7154** Posted **Dec 28, 2018, 4:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by gillynova

I haven't been to Sac in awhile. Are there any major construction projects in development?

Btw, go Kings!

Whatz gud gillynova......novatone82 from sac....well its hard to get info on this forum, i be trying to find out how they get they info when they do come across it, i surf google and the net though its the same o shit, as far as anything new beside the Golden one , nothing major, they do have a couple of high rises going up p street building 20 stories high , nothing bigger then that under construction.....

urban_encounter · #**7155** Posted **Dec 28, 2018, 10:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by gillynova

I haven't been to Sac in awhile. Are there any major construction projects in development?

Btw, go Kings!

Sacramento Memorial Auditorium (renovation) under construction

Convention Center renovation and expansion (funded)

Community Center Theater renovation and expansion (funded)

New Sacramento County Courthouse Funded (17 stories I think and has been funded)

Sacramento Science Center and Planetarium (under construction)

Native American Museum W Sac Waterfront ($100 million in place w/ another $100 million waiting for private donations).

New Capitol Annex (to replace the old annex) / (funded for about $1.2 billion) but whether they tear down the old annex and rebuild in the same location or build a new annex in Capitol Park is still undecided? Construction will start after completion of a nearby state office building under construction where Capitol staff will relocate until the new annex is complete.

There’s a couple of state office buildings under construction as well.

(That’s all I can think of right now).

Anyone feel free to add or correct me if I misstated anything???

otnemarcaS · #**7156** Posted **Dec 29, 2018, 8:33 PM**

^^^

$68 million renovation of seedy Marshall Hotel into 11 story Hyatt Centric boutique hotel underway at 7th and L.

Several apartment projects under construction all over midtown and downtown.

gillynova · #**7157** Posted **Dec 29, 2018, 9:11 PM**

Sounds good! Hopefully you guys will get some more high rises going on around downtown sometime soon!

I would love to see some pictures of Sacramento if someone has the time. Thanks!

- Kings fan from the Bay Area

urban_encounter · #**7158** Posted **Jan 2, 2019, 12:21 AM**

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Originally Posted by enigma99a

James Diel, a downtown resident has appealed “If we allow an eight-story project to be constructed on this important site it will be at least two generations before such a mistake can be corrected,”

So we’ll see what happens. City has already given approval

Actually I like the Shornstein proposal for 601 CM. Is it a highrise ? No! But it brings high density residential units to Capital Mall. Shornstein has been in the development business for decades. I’m sure if they could build taller and make it pencil out then they would give it more serious consideration.

urban_encounter · #**7159** Posted **Jan 2, 2019, 12:26 AM**

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Originally Posted by gillynova

Sounds good! Hopefully you guys will get some more high rises going on around downtown sometime soon!

I would love to see some pictures of Sacramento if someone has the time. Thanks!

- Kings fan from the Bay Area

Hopeful Tower 301 will get built as it would definitely help push the style up but it’s probably 3 years away minimum. They still need a large anchor tenet

https://tower301.com

Pistola916 · #**7160** Posted **Jan 4, 2019, 6:03 PM**

Does anyone know what's up with Vanir and Metropolitan projects?

It's been close to 6 months and we haven't heard anything from either party regarding their new mixed-use development proposals. I thought they would have a rendering by now.