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I don't get it either. Why wouldn't the new building make an angle to stick to the Cadillac tower, contiguously so that nothing would bother the streetwall? It seems only a little space to fill in. Unless they plan some kind of alley or something there.
It seems pretty obvious to me, at least, they they want it more oriented to Monroe than Cadillac Square, so as to give the "front" of the building a better view of Campus Martius proper and more natural lighting. If they'd have oriented the park to Cadillac Square, the views would be directly onto that small median and the First National Building across the street.

The square is the nexus of the Campus Martius district. It's just that the Monroe Block is the hardest block to orient to the park because of its very small frontage on the square.
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I'm trying to figure what you're explaining. It's not that easy cause I've never been there yet.
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The lot is no simple rectangle, but that may actually add even more interest to it. Once someone on here said that kind of layouts that's not any usual grid was often proper to design some interesting buildings and appealing fabrics. So what I meant is the main component of the block facing Campus Martius could just follow the outline of the lot, so it would be oriented to everything so to speak, and perfectly line up with the adjacent Cadillac tower. I hope I'm being understandable. That'd be really fine for the streetscape. Then of course, it would be up to the architects to make something convenient and consistent of it. But yes, it would definitely be more complicated, thus more costly. I guess budgets for new buildings in town will have to be reasonable enough for a while yet.

Don't get me wrong, this thing as it is on those few renderings appears quite decent. I'd certainly be glad to have it in my neighborhood, but I don't live such a significant location. You know, people will be demanding in downtown.

EDIT: okay, I got it. I see you mean. But I'm not sensitive enough to views to share your point. Besides, the "First National Building" is no unpleasant view.
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Speaking of orienting the newer buildings to front the square, here is a picture from a story in the Detroit News, today, showing that.

From Compuware:


Greg Conley (right), Quicken Loans, banker, and Justin Moss, Quicken Loans, software engineer, play ping pong on the 12th floor at Quicken Loans offices in the Compuware building. (Max Ortiz / The Detroit News)

Looking at the Compuware Building from the outside:


Umbrellas are seen on a sandy beach at Campus Martuis as the Quicken Loans offices are seen in the Compuware building in Detroit. (Max Ortiz / The Detroit News)

The Meridian Health Plan headquarters will be turned just enough so the balconies will get a fairly good view of the square. Had it been turned to Cadillac Square, it would be showing one of its "sides" to the Campus Martius.
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The thing I thought the could have done was just fill the space between Cadillac Tower and the building so that it'd make an obtuse angle at where ever the building meets the Cadillac Sqaure streetwall. The rest of the building can be square and oriented to Monroe, but just extend it far enough east so that it meets Cadillac Tower. Or at least have a shorter section that fills the gap or something.

Then again, that very well might not be possible due to budget constraints.
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More procedural stuff, but the Schostak Bros. are lining up all kinds of financing and credits and such for this project:

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$27 million in tax incentives approved for new Detroit office tower

By Kirk Pinho | Crain's Detroit Business

September 25, 2013

Developers of a proposed $111 million office building in Detroit received approval Wednesday for $27 million in tax incentives.

The board of the Detroit Brownfield Redevelopment Authority voted Wednesday afternoon during a meeting at the Guardian Building to approve the incentives for the 320,000-square-foot office building on the Monroe Block, bounded by Monroe, Bates and Farmer streets, Woodward Avenue and Cadillac Square.

The brownfield incentives won’t be awarded until after the building is constructed.

Construction of the development by Livonia-based Schostak Bros. & Co. is expected to begin late next year or in early 2015.


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In addition to the brownfield incentives, Schostak and Meridian are pursuing Michigan Economic Development Corp. Community Revitalization Program grants and U.S. Department of Treasury New Markets Tax Credits and other incentives to help finance the building.
I do wonder how much of their own money they are going to back this up with? I mean, I know developers front as little money as they absolutely have to, but I do hate seeing funding sources abused under the guise of hardship because they are developing in such an unconvential urban market. $111 million isn't pocket change, but it's also not a staggering amount of money to come up with for a building with a tenant already lined up.

Anyway, just kind of talking out loud.
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What do you guys think this news will be? New construction? Shed renovations? New programs/events or tenants?

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Eastern Market to make 'major' announcement involving 'huge' investment in Detroit

By Eric Lacy | MLive.com

September 25, 2013

DETROIT, MI - The city's Eastern Market is expected to make an announcement at 10:30 a.m. Oct. 1 that a press release claims is "major" and involves "a huge investment to improve the economy of Detroit and health of its residents."

This press release, from the Eastern Market Corporation, was sent to MLive Detroit on Wednesday afternoon and mentioned that the announcement will take place in Shed 3 of the market.

No other details were provided, but the press release does mention that more information is expected be released "in the coming days."

The market, according to its website, "has been feeding Detroit since 1891" and attracts more than 40,000 people each week. It is also known as a hub for tailgating for Detroit Lions fans.
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Given the past renovations, coupled with the Dequindre improvements, I'd say the next logical step is to improve the "neighborhood".
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On the one hand, I'm kind of expecting some huge donation or something. Something more symbolic than real.

On the other hand, factoring the Dequindere Cut and other streetscape improvements, they could possibly be doing something along Wilkins street.

I've actually never really thought about how large the Eastern Market corporation might be so I actually have no clue what they're capable of development-wise.
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Many times, nonprofits such as this are a pass-through for state and federal funds. Often nonprofits will partner with developers if they have no housing development experience.
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I did some research on EM's website and came across their economic plans and guides. It's from 2008 but I suspect not much has changed about the plans since there isn't really any definite timetables. Quite a lovely urban district if any of it comes to fruition.

http://www.detroiteasternmarket.com/...t_strategy.pdf

They do seem to have a goal of adding residential to the area, mostly north and east of Wilkins and the Dequindre Cut.

http://www.detroiteasternmarket.com/...ting_notes.pdf

^This PDF shows what Russell street improvements will look like as well as what's planned for the second phase for the Dequindre Cut. It also shows what the plans for the streetscape improvements for the Midtown Loop connection.

What's also explained is the reasoning for demolishing the Afred Street bridge of the Cut; it's for when they begin daylighting the Bloody Run Creek and put in a pond there to St. Aubins, whenever that project gets rolling.

There's a few different projects overlapping here and Eastern Market's announcement could be or might not be related to any of it. Either way, pretty cool to see such a comprehensive plan for this area and I hope it all comes into reality.
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Demand up for downtown Detroit office space

September 29, 2013
By John Gallagher
Detroit Free Press

Downtown Detroit has a problem few would have guessed just a few years ago, a shortage of quality office space and perhaps even the need for new construction.

The overall vacancy rate has dipped from a high of about 33% in 2010 to around 25% today, a dramatic improvement, said John DeGroot, vice president of research for the real estate firm Newmark Grubb Knight Frank in Southfield. Although still far from a gold standard vacancy rate of 10%-to-12% for a healthy big-city downtown, DeGroot said the rate is likely to continue dropping.

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Somebody named Gilbert should get a boulevard, a plaza or something named after his ass out there, though. I just wish him that happened as late as possible, cause it's always a posthumous distinction.
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Dan Gilbert Is Planning To Tear Down Every Single Abandoned Building In Detroit


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September 30th, 2013

Members of President Barack Obama’s cabinet made a whirlwind visit to Detroit Friday, bringing promises of $300 million in federal funds. But top officials from Washington come here all the time, and millions of federal dollars have poured into the city for decades.

Their visit, and all the complicated news it generated, tended to obscure a truly significant bulletin of the day: Quicken Loans founder Dan Gilbert, the rajah of downtown, is getting involved in Detroit’s neighborhoods for the first time. He wants to eliminate blight. All of it.

That’s man-bites-dog kind of news.

It’s extremely rare for a business person at Gilbert’s level in Detroit to take on such a monumental public challenge, especially one whose success can be both quantified and observed.

And it's equally unusual for a big-time Detroit businessperson who is prominent in reviving downtown to move into a high-profile and long-lasting project in the city's neighborhoods.

It was announced Friday that Gilbert, the 51-year-old billionaire who has made national headlines for his work in transforming downtown, is one of three people who will serve on a task force that will try to figure out how to demolish Detroit’s tens of thousands of abandoned buildings. Roy Roberts, the former emergency manager for the Detroit Public Schools, will serve as the executive – or “land czar” – who will lead the effort day-to-day and report to Kevyn Orr, the city’s emergency manager.

Gilbert didn’t mince words Friday on the blight task force’s goal: “We have to get it all down,” he told reporters.

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If Gilbert, Roberts and their team meet with success, it essentially will create a new city, and one that would be ripe for the sustainable metropolis of swales, ponds and green neighborhoods set out earlier this year in the Detroit Future City plan.

Gilbert is no fan of urban farming, though. When he envisions land cleared of blight, he sees developers rushing in to build anew.

At the Techonomy conference, he said:

“When that blight is gone, maybe we don’t have to be talking about shrinking cities because it will be such a rush of people who want to get into low-value housing — when all the utilities are there and the land is pretty much close to free— not exactly free, but close to it — and all the utilities are there, it becomes very cheap for a builder/developer to develop a residential unit, and they are going to develop them and develop them in mass as soon as we get the structures down and maybe we don’t have to worry about raising peas or corn or whatever it is you do in the farm.”
http://www.deadlinedetroit.com/artic...t#.Ukl6oNJ82Sp

Unsurprisingly, a lot of the comments are against Gilbert noting the historical value of many vacant properties (which isn't limited to just housing). For some reason, I feel like Gilbert might actually be successful in demolishing a good amount (maybe in a limited neighborhood) though I do fear the consequences of a city being redeveloped by one businessman.
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I'm kind of worried about this all-encompassing war on "blight." Blight is an incredibly amorphous term, and beyond that, it's a symptom and not the disease. I also don't like the private sector completely usurping the pubic process. Sure, it needs to be streamlined, and truly blighted properties with no hope needs to be brought down quicker, but I don't want to turn out a slow-moving bureaucracy for private-sector dictatorship. The city government through much experimentation and with the help of the private sector have gotten the cost of demolition down, so things are moving in the right directions. There is no need, then, to turn over the keys to one billionair and put him in the driver's seat. I know these guys think they are the titans of the universe, and that's probably why they should be encouraged to help, but also encourage to stay in their lane.

I've already said it, but Gilbert is beginning to spread himself incredibly thin (office buildings, casinos, retail/entertainment, etc...). Even if that's not the case, and he can handle all of these balls in the air, I'm not sure I want his fingers in every pie. There are other organizations and people doing the lord's work in many of these neighborhoods who don't need to be frozen out of the decision-making process or pushed to the side. Detroit doesn't need a savior, it needs a community. Gilbert can be a big part of building community, but he shouldn't, nor can he be, a community onto himself.
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I was just reading through the RFP for the streetcar vehicles by M-1 Rail that was put out on September 20th. Proposals are due back October 21st, a provider is picked on October 28st, negotions with the provider start on the 31st, and contract has to be inked between M-1 and the provider no later than December 1st. So, things are chugging along.

Another thing to note in the proposal is that they are calling for vehicles that have the capability of off-wire functioning. M-1 wants at least three off-wire segements along the line. This should reduce cluttter near a few of the stations, and get the streetcar through underpasses in bridges.

In other news, some goings-on around the arena site. I really do wonder how much of the area will be leveled and how much will be repurposed? It's my hope that they infill as much as possible as opposed to old fashioned "renewal."

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Hotel near arena site sold to mystery buyer

By Louis Aguilar | The Detroit News

September 30, 2013

The Temple Hotel, probably the last of pay-by-the hour hotels in Detroit’s Cass Corridor, has been sold in yet another mystery acquisition in the low-income neighborhood that’s likely to be recast as a $650 million entertainment district.

Who bought the Temple Hotel and how much was paid for the four-story building at 72 Temple St. is unknown. The asking price was $3.7 million, which is about $3.6 million more than any other publicly listed sale made on the block between Woodward and Cass avenues. Several blighted buildings have been sold on the block, however their selling prices have not been made public.

The former hotel is now across the street from the planned $450 million multipurpose arena that will be the new home of the Detroit Red Wings.

The building started to be boarded up at least two months ago and last week the small hotel was completely shuttered, said Cass Corridor resident Richard Etue, who lives around the corner.

It was down to just a few drug addicts and prostitutes in the hotel, Etue said.

The sale has yet to be publicly recorded. When it is, the new owner will likely go through the steps to hide their identity, according to a person familiar with the sale.

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I think I saw a new development going up in Birmingham right on Woodward, It seemed pretty large does anyone have any information about that?
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I think I saw a new development going up in Birmingham right on Woodward, It seemed pretty large does anyone have any information about that?
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5-story downtown Birmingham project gets $3.2 million state loan
By Chris Gautz
September 25



The Michigan Strategic Fund approved a $3.2 million performance-based loan Wednesday to aid in construction of a five-story mixed-use structure in downtown Birmingham.

The 88,000-square-foot building will be known as the Balmoral, and will be built on a vacant site at the corner of Woodward Avenue and Brown Street. It will include underground parking and drive-through space on the ground level for a bank or pharmacy. Commercial office space will dominate floors two through four, but there will also be a small amount of residential space. The fifth floor will be residential units along with exterior patio space.

Woodward Brown Associates LLC, owned by Harvey Weiss and Najib Samona, are the developers of the project. The company purchased the land from Bank of America in April 2010 for $2.5 million, according to a memo on the project. Total capital investment is expected to be more than $27 million.

The location has been vacant since 2005, when a strip mall that sat there was demolished, according to the memo.

The company secured a fully executed lease with a retail tenant on the main floor and has three letters of intent from other companies to locate in the structure, according to the memo.

The construction is set to begin this fall or next spring and will take about 18 months to complete, according to the Michigan Economic Development Corporation.
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In other news, some goings-on around the arena site. I really do wonder how much of the area will be leveled and how much will be repurposed? It's my hope that they infill as much as possible as opposed to old fashioned "renewal."
Mystery buyer no more, but what a surprise, it's not Illitch.

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Cass Corridor flophouse sold to DTE for rumored millions
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Detroit Free Press Business Writer
October 1, 2013



DTE and the hotel owner declined to reveal the price but the run-down building and quarter-acre property was listed for $3.7 million. The hotel owner said his accountant described it “like maybe we hit the lottery.”

DTE Energy spokesman Scott Simons confirmed to the Free Press that the utility closed a deal Sept. 20 to buy the Temple Hotel. The property was last appraised at $81,352.

Simons said DTE owns an electrical substation next to the property and bought the hotel site “for possible infrastructure improvement.” Regarding the future of the hotel itself, the spokesman said, “I would imagine it would have to be razed.”
Some definitive good news.

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Crumbling Wurlitzer Building finds a buyer, heads for renovation
LOUIS AGUILAR THE DETROIT NEWS
OCTOBER 1, 2013



Detroit — The Wurlitzer Building, a downtown building labeled “dangerous” by a judge two years ago, is under contract to a developer who intends to renovate the crumbling historical structure.

The 14-story building at 1509 Broadway, across the street from the Detroit Opera House, has been sold to an unidentified “Israeli developer with major plans,” said Michael Muller, a lawyer for the city of Detroit. The city has pursued the current owner over the building in Wayne County Circuit Court since 2011. That was the year a 40-pound chunk of terracotta fell from the Wurlitzer’s exterior and crashed through the roof of a neighboring building.

“We’re clearing the way for (the sale),” Muller said, so the deal can go through without any outstanding issues from the court case. “It should close in 30 days,” Muller said. The building is owned by 1509 Broadway LLC, whose managing member is attorney Paul Curtis.

The real estate broker working on the deal also confirmed the pending sale but could not disclose the price or the identity of the buyer. “The city has been working with us to complete a sale of the property to a developer that will completely renovate the property,” said Jerome Eagger, principal of Detroit-based Summit Commercial LLC, in an email.
From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...#ixzz2gV4nue77

And still among other news. Busy day today. This story will likely get the biggest hoopla.

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Snyder finalizes Belle Isle deal with Detroit
Christine Ferretti, Chad Livengood and Darren A. Nichols
The Detroit News
OCTOBER 1, 2013

Detroit — Gov. Rick Snyder’s administration on Tuesday finalized a deal to lease Belle Isle from the city of Detroit for 30 years and convert the island into a state park.

Snyder and the directors of the state transportation and natural resources departments cemented the deal Tuesday with Emergency Manager Kevyn Orr, Snyder spokeswoman Sara Wurfel said.

Under the deal, Detroit will not receive any direct monetary payment for the lease, but the state’s takeover of Belle Isle is expected to save the cash-strapped city $4 million to $6 million annually, Wurfel said.

The Department of Natural Resources plans to apply for grants to spend $10 million to $20 million in improvements for the island park’s aging infrastructure and facilities, Wurfel said.

City Council members first announced the lease Tuesday morning during the council’s session.

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From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...#ixzz2gV5Iww00
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State Fairgrounds sale to Magic Johnson could be approved Wednesday
October 1, 2013
By John Gallagher
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Hall of Fame basketball star Earvin (Magic) Johnson, along with a team of developers, may get permission Wednesday afternoon to buy the idle 157-acre Michigan State Fairgrounds site in Detroit for a development that includes a movie theater and big-box retail.

The Michigan Land Bank Fast Track Authority could vote Wednesday to sell the site for $4.65 million for what would be among the largest recent development projects in terms of acreage in the city.

The development would be several times the size of the nearby Meijer in the Gateway Supercenter shopping plaza at 8 Mile and Woodward.

The development team, Magic Plus, said it will retain a few of the historic fairgrounds buildings but demolish others. The plan, in the works for months, has drawn criticism from some who object to a large big-box retail development.

Michael Myckowiak, a Detroit lawyer involved with development and historic preservation issues, criticized the proposal for being auto-dependent and not tying into plans for new public transit along Woodward Avenue.

“There have been a number of large-parcel redevelopment projects around the country that have focused on transit-oriented design and come up with creative neighborhoods that have really added to the quality of life and ... here we’re settling for asphalt and big box,” he said Monday.

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Sounds like DTE is going to bring down the Temple Hotel.

I'm really excited about the Wurlitzer news. It was really looking like a goner. I hope that this piques the ears and eyes of the city that the Metropolitan can be saved as opposed to demolished. Given that it's on a triangular lot, it would be hard to make work for parking and difficult to make an economical reuse of the site for, so I hope they see that in the long run it'd be good to reuse the actual building.

Disappointed about the fair grounds, though. The concepts I've seen show it more urban-minded than Gateway, but still far too auto-oriented. But, Magic's the one with the money, and you have to pay the costs to be the boss.
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