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Old Posted Jun 20, 2019, 1:28 AM
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Thank you Mcgrath!

Now if we could just start getting some more 400+ footers, that would be swell.
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^^^Ditto. Great job McGrath!
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Looking closer at the CDR submission for 500 N. Broad. The facade design just looks awful. Precast concrete? It looks like Society Hill towers and a glass box had a baby and I cannot say it looks good on any level. I am excited for this project, but make the tower portion all glass.
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Looking closer at the CDR submission for 500 N. Broad. The facade design just looks awful. Precast concrete? It looks like Society Hill towers and a glass box had a baby and I cannot say it looks good on any level. I am excited for this project, but make the tower portion all glass.
I actually quite like the way it looks. I'm getting tired of glass towers.
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I actually quite like the way it looks. I'm getting tired of glass towers.
+1. I think it looks really interesting, and I like the nod to the Society Hill Towers. And anything but another all glass tower (absent something really interesting and sculptural) is a win.
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+1. I think it looks really interesting, and I like the nod to the Society Hill Towers. And anything but another all glass tower (absent something really interesting and sculptural) is a win.
The design is truly awful. It is a mash of 70s brutalist and 2010 "modern".

Nothing interesting or worthy.

I am shocked at the complacency of Philadelphia design standards on this thread.
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Old Posted Jun 20, 2019, 11:39 PM
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The design is truly awful. It is a mash of 70s brutalist and 2010 "modern".

Nothing interesting or worthy.

I am shocked at the complacency of Philadelphia design standards on this thread.
It is not a superstar building, but I find it reasonably attractive, particularly considering its location. I wonder what you would call good design...the right glass tower can be stunning, but the type of generic glass that would rise in lieu of what's rendered would not constitute "good design" either, IMO.
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Thank you Mcgrath!

Now if we could just start getting some more 400+ footers, that would be swell.
We will soon have 2 500+ footers under construction not named "comcast." I haven't been around here long, but when was the last time that happened?
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^^Yeah, that's crazy. Hope everyone is OK
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The design is truly awful. It is a mash of 70s brutalist and 2010 "modern".

Nothing interesting or worthy.

I am shocked at the complacency of Philadelphia design standards on this thread.

While I'll be the first to wish builders/developers in the Philly area had much higher design interests, I also admit that there isn't a design standard that everyone/any three people can agree on. In this City the W hotel is about as good as its going get----in my opinion. But there certainly are many people who don't like it. Sure, I'll try to talk to those people why I think its a good building, but at the end of the day, their opinion is their opinion.
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It will be interesting to see the severity of the refinery damage. It's been on borrowed time recently and I imagine it will sit as a complete dead zone for at least 25 years once it closes.
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It will be interesting to see the severity of the refinery damage. It's been on borrowed time recently and I imagine it will sit as a complete dead zone for at least 25 years once it closes.
Recent article suggests the fire could be the final nail in the coffin for the refinery. https://www.inquirer.com/business/ph...-20190624.html

Honestly I would say 25 years is optimistic. It's entirely cut off from the city by 76 and rail tracks. There actually has been a lot of development in the immediate vacinity in recent years with all those apartment buildings and car centric town house developments they've been building in the area. Have no idea who wants to live there, especially considering they don't seem very cheap, but they must have a market considering they keep building them. But I have to imagine that cheap land factored into their business model. Mitigating the land that has been a refinery for about a century will be anything but cheap.

I would imagine developers will start nibbling at the edges and developing parts of it that aren't as contaminated as others within short order of the refinery closing. But for all of the land that the refinery currently occupies to be developed? I think we're probably looking more toward 50 years than 25 for that. Honestly, a century doesn't sound far fetched.

Not sure if it is cheaper to remediate land for a nature preserve as opposed to development, but if it is, it might be nice to allow some of it to return to wetlands.
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^ Nice shot! Where do we think this is this taken from? Great vantage point.
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^ Nice shot! Where do we think this is this taken from? Great vantage point.
Some place in Queen Village - or from that perspective anyways.
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Not sure if it is cheaper to remediate land for a nature preserve as opposed to development, but if it is, it might be nice to allow some of it to return to wetlands.
I agree with this. Given the land area, location and industrial history, returning the area to nature or parkland is probably the best option if the facility closes permanently. It could be a nice nature reserve. Or maybe a golf course?
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