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Looks like percentage of the overall black MSA population?
That's it.
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2019, 3:23 AM
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Re: Minneapolis "missing out" on the Great Migration.

http://news.minnesota.publicradio.or...enj_migration/

In terms of the Black population there today, it seems reasonable to estimate that it's about 50/50 split between AAs and those of immigrant origin (mostly East African).
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I haven’t met very many people from Southern Africa in the United States. Usually it’s West Africa or East Africa. I’m curious: do many make it here, or do they tend to emigrate to other parts of the world (or not emigrate at all)?
There are quite a lot of South Africans and Zimbabweans here in the UK. The South Africans are mostly white though.
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South African immigrants in Canada are almost all white as well. Toronto has a sizeable South African Jewish population.
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There's also people of South Asian origin with family origins in Africa, in Canada (and I'm guessing quite a few in the UK too) like Naheed Nenshi, mayor of Calgary who is South Asian Tanzanian origin.

Freddie Mercury was born in Zanzibar, Tanzania to a Parsi family.

There are also South Asian refugees from Uganda when Idi Amin expelled Asians from the country in the 70s, who later went to western countries.

Mississippi Masala, a 1991 film starring a young Denzel Washington, is about Indian immigrants from Amin's Uganda moving to small-town Mississippi, ironically leaving Africa but living with the local African Americans, and the Black-South Asian tensions and then romance that ensues between the two ethnic communities.
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Is "South African" accepted as an ethnic/ancestry origin write-in response?

If so, I wonder if non-African origin (eg. white, Asian) South Africans identify as such?
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Re: Minneapolis "missing out" on the Great Migration.

http://news.minnesota.publicradio.or...enj_migration/

In terms of the Black population there today, it seems reasonable to estimate that it's about 50/50 split between AAs and those of immigrant origin (mostly East African).
The article says that the AA community is only about as old as the 80s. I'm guessing that is close to the same time that Somalis started trickling to the area. If so, would you expect the raw numbers of Minneapolis-born AA's (or in-state born) to be more similar to say the raw number of Minneapolis-born children of African immigrants? If so, would Minneapolis' AA culture be more recent African-influenced than other US places? Or are the two communities not typically side-by-side or socializing with one another?

People already talk about how Toronto's black culture's community is heavily diasporic with regard to African and global roots (which is evenly split between native-born and foreign-born black, but the native born is heavily of Caribbean origin).

In parts of Toronto, like Etobicoke, even Somali influence like saying "Wallahi", meaning " swear to God" has made it to black slang (including casual talk by people who may not even be Muslim), and Drake has been known to say it. So there's already some continental African influence going on, in addition to the more famous Jamaican Patois influence in Black Canadian culture. I'd be curious if the same is starting to be true stateside.

"For more than a century, Minneapolis-St. Paul and its prosperity have drawn migrants - most of them white people from midwestern farms and small towns. Only since the early 1980s has the stream included a substantial number of African-Americans. Minnesota's black population has nearly tripled in less than two decades, from 50,000 in 1980 to about 140,000."
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Over 90% of Black Torontonians are of immigrant origin. Basically the opposite of say, Chicago, which is 90%+ AA.
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Re: Minneapolis "missing out" on the Great Migration.

http://news.minnesota.publicradio.or...enj_migration/

In terms of the Black population there today, it seems reasonable to estimate that it's about 50/50 split between AAs and those of immigrant origin (mostly East African).
Most moving north vs the old south from the Great Migration are welfare poor in the Midwest are attracted to MN's generous welfare system.


The more gang bangers they take the less for others, lets hope the Twin Cities give them more chances for achievement and advancement than the other cities below the Twins.


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powell says some white Minnesotans display a disturbing preoccupation with blacks moving to the state.

powell: And I listen to some of the talk radio shows, just incredible, incredibly fixated on Gary and Chicago. And again one would think those areas have been completely depopulated by all the hordes of black gangsters moving here from those two places.

Minneapolis police say that, while most poor blacks moving to the city are not involved in crime, more than three-fourths of the city's hard-core street-gang members moved to town from Chicago.

Blacks make up just 13% of Minneapolis' population, but two-thirds of the city's homicide victims and perpetrators in the past three years were black. powell says he's not interested in glossing over those facts. But he says Minnesotans should try to understand the economic despair and social isolation that created gang culture in the ghettos of Chicago and Detroit, and try to avoid replicating those conditions in Minneapolis and St. Paul. powell says so far, the Twin Cities aren't responding well. He points to the high rate of middle-class flight to the suburbs, and to studies showing housing discrimination against blacks is common in Minneapolis' middle-class neighborhoods.

powell: We manufacture despair here. And then we use that despair, we use that hopelessness, to push people further down. We say they're behaving badly, so we don't want them in our neighborhood. We isolate them even more, and then we get this vicious cycle.

powell says the Twin Cities are an important test case of whether an American city - that in some ways, is just beginning to deal with race - can do better than older, larger cities have done. The U.S. Census predicts that Minneapolis-St. Paul will remain the number one northern destination for African-Americans for the next generation.
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Just for comparison, here are some figures for the Toronto and Montreal Black populations.


Toronto

Foreign born 241,440 54.6%

Caribbean origin 252,335 57.1%
West African origin 56,780 12.8%
East African origin 56,715 12.8%

Montreal

Foreign born 162,655 60%

Caribbean origin 157,520 58.1%
West African origin 63,140 23.3%
East African origin 13,480 5%
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Powell is an idiot. He must not live in the real world, rather he only knows theories? Theory of his is good and probably right, but in real life, no rational person with means will stay in an area with a new high-rate of crime to be nice and help a whole group of people, hopefully, raise up economically. Its basically chastising people for moving their families away from dangerous areas all in the name of "equality" or whatever.

It's nonsense.
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Interesting to note that while Caribbean immigrants are more concentrated in the US (NY/Miami) and Canada (Toronto/Montreal) while Africans are more dispersed, in Britain the opposite is true (with Africans more concentrated in London and with the Black population outside London being more Caribbean. This had to do with the timing and character of the two streams - Caribbean immigration was generally a generation earlier than in North America and industrial cities were more appealing then than now to immigrants.
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Jamaica's population is still slowly growing, but its diaspora is definitely out-sized given its population. There are 2.8 million people in Jamaica, vs 1.3 million Jamaican-born emigrants elsewhere.

Including all people of Jamaican ancestry, there are 800,000 in the UK; 740,000 in the US; and 309,000 in Canada. You don't wonder if one day it couldn't eventually become a bit of a "Caribbean Ireland" (with the effect of 38 million Irish-North Americans vs 6.7 million in Ireland).
Many more people identify with Jamaica than 1.3 million ex-pats, they just integrate fast once reaching the US unless cultural to the max. Many stop directly identifying after a generation.
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Old Posted Feb 4, 2019, 5:33 PM
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Powell is an idiot. He must not live in the real world, rather he only knows theories? Theory of his is good and probably right, but in real life, no rational person with means will stay in an area with a new high-rate of crime to be nice and help a whole group of people, hopefully, raise up economically. Its basically chastising people for moving their families away from dangerous areas all in the name of "equality" or whatever.

It's nonsense.
You seem pretty peeved about an article that's two decades old!
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Many more people identify with Jamaica than 1.3 million ex-pats, they just integrate fast once reaching the US unless cultural to the max. Many stop directly identifying after a generation.
Then they must be integrating/assimilating faster than Latin American, Asian and even white immigrants -- many of whom still identify as Mexican, Cuban, Chinese, Japanese, Italian, Irish etc. much more than 1 generation later. I mean, Irish and Italians haven't stopped identifying as such for often three or more generations, but it's notable that second-generation Jamaicans just identify as American, specifically black Americans often, without the hyphenated Jamaican-American label. Very interesting in light of peoples' arguments about who integrates or doesn't integrate.

Perhaps being English-speaking helps, as well as long-standing ties with African Americans as members of the Anglophone African diaspora (eg. Marcus Garvey).
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This book (p. 259) puts first and second generation West Indians at 11% of NYC's population ca. 2000, and says less than half of Blacks in NYC are native born of native parentage.

https://books.google.ca/books?id=v4C...q=lilt&f=false
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Interesting discussion between two Black New Yorkers - one with an AA background, one with a Haitian background. The Haitian woman who grew up in Flatbush says she really didn't really encounter AAs until she went to college in Harlem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zLeeGcWDJg
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