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Old Posted Jul 21, 2018, 10:40 PM
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Will Charlotte or Nashville catch up to Atlanta?

Both cities are growing but neither have reached the level of influence and overall recognition that Atlanta has. Will they catch up to Atlanta or will Atlanta always be one step ahead?
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Old Posted Jul 21, 2018, 10:48 PM
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Old Posted Jul 22, 2018, 12:54 AM
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Charlotte could but Atlanta would have to stall in population. Seems like it is.
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Old Posted Jul 22, 2018, 3:53 AM
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No.

In the future Charlotte will be the secondary city behind Atlanta in the Piedmont Atlantic Mega region.

Principal Cities: Atlanta, Birmingham, Raleigh-Durham, Charlotte
Population 2010: 17,611,162
Population: 2025: 21,687,449
Population 2050: 31,342,393
Projected Growth (2010 - 2050): 78.0% (13,731,231)
http://www.america2050.org/piedmont_atlantic.html

Nashville is just far enough away and with some terrain to remain somewhat of a detached, distinct metro region.


http://www.writeopinions.com/piedmont-atlantic-megaregion

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Old Posted Jul 22, 2018, 5:26 AM
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Charlotte could but Atlanta would have to stall in population. Seems like it is.
Isnt the Atlanta metro still Top 10 in fastest growing in the US?
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Old Posted Jul 22, 2018, 9:56 AM
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Isnt the Atlanta metro still Top 10 in fastest growing in the US?
Atlanta used to be neck and neck with Houston and Dallas. Now it's behind both though, stall may not have been the best word. It has certainly slowed down some compared to its peers over the last 15 or so years.
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Old Posted Jul 22, 2018, 12:35 PM
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I don’t see why not. Atlanta’s population growth is a relatively new phenomenon, like Seattle’s. More and more people are moving to Charlotte and Nashville due to the low cost of housing.
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Isnt the Atlanta metro still Top 10 in fastest growing in the US?
It depends.

Here are the top 20 MSAs [minimum pop 1 million+] with at least 10% growth from 2010-2017

1] Austin: +33.98%
2] Raleigh: +18.10%
3] Orlando: +17.59%
4] Houston: +16.42%
5] San Antonio: +15.47%
6] Dallas: +15.15%
7] Charlotte: +13.91%
8] Nashville: +13.89%
9] Denver: +13.55%
10] Phoenix: +12.98%
11] Las Vegas: +12.96%
12] Seattle: +12.42%
13] Jacksonville: +11.84%
14] Atlanta: +11.31%
15] Tampa: +11.07%
16] Miami: +10.68%
17] Salt Lake City: +10.59%
18] Oklahoma City: +10.44%
19] Washington: +10.30%
20] Portland: +10.20%

The fastest growing MSAs -- within the top 20 most populated

5] Houston: 6,892,427 +16.42%
4] Dallas: 7,399,662 +15.15%
19] Denver: 2,888,227 +13.55%
11] Phoenix: 4,737,270 +12.98%
15] Seattle: 3,867,046 +12.42%
9] Atlanta: 5,884,736 +11.31%
18] Tampa: 3,091,399 +11.07%
7] Miami: 6,158,824 +10.68%
6] Wash: 6,216,589 +10.30%

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Charlotte just out of the top 20, but will likely pass St. Louis and Baltimore in the 2020s.
22] Charlotte: 2,525,305 +13.91%

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IMO they won't catch ATL but they are already catching up, if that makes sense

ATL was the runaway top dog in the SE for a while and is now sharing influence. It will remain the capital of the south for quite a time. Too far ahead

Nashville basically already pulling an Austin
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2010-2017 growth by actual numbers:
Atlanta: +598,008
Charlotte: +308,293

Metro Charlotte would have to have an annual growth rate of 3% sustained for 30 years to catch up to today's metro Atlanta population figure.

Which got me curious as to the actual numbers of the other cities.

1] New York: +753,466
2] Los Angeles: +525,070
3] Chicago: +71,935
4] Dallas: +973,448
5] Houston: +972, 011
6] Wash: +580,357
7] Miami: +594,189
8] Phila.: +130,777
9] Atlanta: +598,008
10] Boston: +284,129
11] Phoenix: +544,383
12] San Fran: +391,966
13] Riverside: +355,819
14] Detroit: +16,752
15] Seattle: +427,237

And now I'm curious as to what were the largest 1 million+ metros with the largest decline and they are:

1] Pittsburgh: -22,918 −0.97%
2] Cleveland: -18,396 −0.89%
3] Hartford: -2,122 −0.18%
4] Rochester: -1,723 −0.16%
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I still think Atlanta will always have the upper hand in terms of mass transit. Nashville rejected several proposals over the years and Charlotte is just beginning. MARTA has been in operation for several decades and is still growing.

Nashville has a better chance of catching up to Atlanta because of its prewar bones. But all have to shift their development inward with infill.
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Charlotte could catch up but most of us probably won't see it even under the most favorable of the most favorable growth circumstances.
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Atlanta used to be neck and neck with Houston and Dallas. Now it's behind both though, stall may not have been the best word. It has certainly slowed down some compared to its peers over the last 15 or so years.
Wihile slower than Houston / Dallas, Atlanta sits right behind them with still quite rapid growth.

Plus, its growth rates have returned to somewhere between 1980s and 2000 levels.
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IMO they won't catch ATL but they are already catching up, if that makes sense

ATL was the runaway top dog in the SE for a while and is now sharing influence. It will remain the capital of the south for quite a time. Too far ahead

Nashville basically already pulling an Austin
Yep.

What's happening is a fundamental shift in living patterns across the US, as people continue to migrate in mass numbers to the Sunbelt regions.

https://newsinteractive.post-gazette...eat-migration/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bro...-picks-up/amp/

https://www.economist.com/united-sta...cking-up-again

So "metropolitan" cities and their edge/satellite cities in the south are poised see a decent amount of growth for this very simple reason alone.

That's why a ridiculous amount of real estate and commercial speculation is occurring in (right now, seemingly small) places like Nashville and Charlotte, in anticipation of this future growth.

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Old Posted Jul 22, 2018, 6:58 PM
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Do these cities even want to? More people =/better. I'll send them a few million from Houston..
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Nobody mentioned Chattanooga. That one and maybe Birmingham are the only 2 inland southern cities that much interest me. Never actually been to Chattanooga but the whole southern Appalachian region looks attractive and pleasant (and not as hot as the coastal south).


https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/...cities/121580/

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I still think Atlanta will always have the upper hand in terms of mass transit. Nashville rejected several proposals over the years and Charlotte is just beginning. MARTA has been in operation for several decades and is still growing.

Nashville has a better chance of catching up to Atlanta because of its prewar bones. But all have to shift their development inward with infill.
nashville has rapidly outstripped those bones, however, and their capacity to absorb growth. it never was really enough to handle the kind of growth the region is seeing. nashville is seeing a huge amount of infill, but it's all super centered on downtown and immediately adjacent or in the stringy light-duty neighborhoods that surround it. lots of growth has gurgled over and leapfrogged into adjacent towns/suburbs/counties on an interstate-focused growth pattern which is creating a commuting nightmare. the region doesn't have an expansive regional surface-street backbone to speak of like say a denver or even dallas.
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Can someone who is familiar with the 3 cities compare the winter climate of Charlotte, ATL, and Nashville. Are they all basically the same? Which is the most mild? I'm assuming Nash is a bit colder than Atlanta being a bit more north.

I've always found it odd that Cincinnati is not really much farther north than Nashville yet people say it is so much colder. Thanks for input guys.
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Nobody mentioned Chattanooga. That one and maybe Birmingham are the only 2 inland southern cities that much interest me. Never actually been to Chattanooga but the whole southern Appalachian region looks attractive and pleasant (and not as hot as the coastal south).


https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/...cities/121580/
funny that the picture you posted is of Knoxville, not Chattanooga
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