Future Canadian Skylines

[isaidso]

Originally Posted by softee

In addition to the 175K (as of 2011) people who live in downtown Toronto, there are at least a couple of hundred thousand more who work in all those offices, stores and restaurants - not to mention all the tourists. Downtown Toronto is commonly defined as from the lakefront to Bloor and from Parliament to Bathhurst.

Given the continued condo boom in the core, the full time population will likely hit 230,000 by 2016.

[isaidso]

Originally Posted by GlassCity

I don't follow your logic. Wouldn't building towers add more people into the downtown?

Vancouver is building stumps when they should be building far taller residential. It's a tremendous waste of limited and valuable real estate.

[Chadillaccc]

That is awesome. We here are just hoping for 60 000 living in the core (Downtown + Beltline) by 2020s.

[isaidso]

Originally Posted by ACT7

Even in winter when both Toronto and Montreal's underground is jammed with people.

I agree that downtown Toronto is NOT less busy than downtown Vancouver, but let's keep things real here. We're not Hong Kong or Mumbai. I'd never describe the downtowns of either Toronto or Montreal as 'jammed with people'.

[caltrane74]

Originally Posted by craner

^Nice!
And you chose Vancouver's best skyline angle (IMO).

I like the view with mountains better.

As for boundaries, Toronto downtown is :

North Boundary: Bloor
South Boundary: the Lake
East Boundary : Don Valley/ Parliament St.
West Boundary: Bathurst.


There is no disagreement about this.


Little Italy is to the immediate west of Bathurst.. So its a close call, but I would say No.

[Chadillaccc]

Just like Vancouver's is the Downtown Peninsula... hence the name "Downtown Peninsula"

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by ACT7

I don't agree with that logic at all. The west end may be very well integrated with downtown but that does not make it downtown. Since when are downtown's proportional to the equivalent proportional metro size comparisons? Toronto just happens to have a very large downtown relative to a lot of North American cities.

You must be trolling me or something but, but I'm going to bite.

How is this downtown Toronto:


But this isn't downtown vancouver??


It's honestly incomprehensible you would be arguing this, it is truly mind blowing.

Originally Posted by ACT7

Also, in response to the Shangri-La not being on that downtown map, I disagree. As does Google Maps...

https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.2813959,-123.1225951,15z

Do you have ANY idea what you are talking about?? Shangri-La is on the South Side of Georgia, Look it up. It's not really something you can "disagree" with.

The south side of West Georgia is part of the west end and therefore not included in the population figure you originally quoted.

Before you go and make statements about a place you are clearly not qualified to make perhaps you should educate yourself on the subject. Here's the city of Vancouver's official plan for the west end, the boundaries are quite clearly defined...
http://vancouver.ca/green-vancouver/...nity-plan.aspx

You can't take a wide description of Toronto's downtown and a small description of Vancouver's downtown and compare the two. It's disingenuous.

[Bcasey25raptor]

Originally Posted by isaidso

Vancouver is building stumps when they should be building far taller residential. It's a tremendous waste of limited and valuable real estate.

Vancouver is not hong Kong.

I want to preserve the mountain views. A few tall towers 600ft plus would be nice, but I'm opposed to a wall of 600 ft towers everywhere.

[Chadillaccc]

The newest Calgary future skyline rendition available, thanks to the team at Telus Sky!

It should be noted though, that Brookfield Place and Telus Sky will be completed in the same year, so this render is cutting off a major new part of our skyline.






http://telussky.com/gallery/

[Prometheus]

Originally Posted by ACT7

Downtown Toronto is actually closer to 175K (2011) with a density of about 13,500/sq km.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-dkGwrkKq9c...o+downtown.jpg

By contrast, downtown Vancouver has a population of about 55K (2011) and a density of about 11,500/ sq km.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downtown_Vancouver

Your model of what constitutes Vancouver's downtown versus Toronto's downtown is totally absurd and out of touch with reality.

[MichaelS]

Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

The newest Calgary future skyline rendition available, thanks to the team at Telus Sky!

It should be noted though, that Brookfield Place and Telus Sky will be completed in the same year, so this render is cutting off a major new part of our skyline.

It is also cutting out Guardian. Probably because Guardian would likely block it entirely from that angle.

[Chadillaccc]

Yeah, the Guardian twins, at 146 meters and 44 floors would definitely block out Telus Sky from this particular vantage point. That is probably part of the reason why. The other part being, why spend money on rendering towers that your firm had no part in?

[caltrane74]

That first picture posted of Toronto is right at the Bathurst...

Even at Spadina there are single family homes, but its right in the mix at U of T and Chinatown and this spreads west to Bathurst.

[softee]

Yes, there are sections of single family homes within Toronto's above mentioned downtown boundaries, but there are also very busy, intensely commercial sections nearby to those SFHs extending out to and well beyond the "downtown" boundaries (Chinatown, Kensington, Parliament street, Yorkville), with Little Italy, West Queen West, Chinatown East, Danforth and Riverside providing yet even more uninterrupted commercial urbanity just beyond the official downtown boundaries.

Vancouver's West end is much more residential in nature overall and also includes a fair number of single family homes. You have to go Eastward from downtown Vancouver for continued adjacent commercial urbanity with the Downtown East Side and Chinatown.

[Innsertnamehere]

Two can play that game...

This is downtown Vancouver:

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but this isn't downtown Toronto? (as a note, nobody has included anything in this photo as a definition as part of Downtown Toronto, it is technically on the other side of Bathurst)

[Chadillaccc]

Why are you guys so intent on belittling Vancouver? Because one guy said downtown Vancouver was busier than downtown Toronto? Jesus. Certainly easy to get peoples nickers in a twist these days.

[Innsertnamehere]

^ I'm more pointing out the fallacy in Leftcoasters arguement, I couldn't care less whether Toronto's core is busier or not. Quite frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if downtown vancouver was busier than King & Bay on any given day in February. 90% of people downtown are in the PATH that time of year, especially this winter given how we essentially had 2 straight months of -30 weather.

[caltrane74]

Yes, off main intersections you can find single family housing in downtown Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal or any other major Canadian city. Of course that single family home in the downtown core will likely cost you at a minimum, around 1.5 million to 5 million dollars.

[Prometheus]

Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

Two can play that game...

I'm more pointing out the fallacy in Leftcoasters arguement

Oh man.

You are obviously failing to grasp the argument. The point isn't that the residential neighbourhoods between Bathurst and Spadina are not a part of Toronto's downtown. The point is that the West End (which is more dense and urban than those Toronto neighbourhoods AND much closer to and organically contiguous with Vancouver's downtown core than those neighbourhoods are with Toronto's core) must be a part of Vancouver's downtown too. By any rational standard, the entire downtown peninsula is a de facto part of Vancouver's downtown.

To say otherwise is asinine.

[yaletown_fella]

The West End is sort of similar to the Annex area of Toronto.