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Old Posted Jan 15, 2010, 6:40 AM
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Wink Cambie Corridor Plan and Project Updates

Figured this topic should have it's own thread as it will be seeing lots of action shortly. City has prepared Phase one which includes principles to follow until the process is complete. Lots of interesting tidbits in the document, including items like min size of 1100sqm, any project not leaving behind any neighbouring small parcels which would hinder their redevelopment.
The heights proposed are pretty well upto 6 Stories across the board with the following expections. King Ed up to 8 Stories immediately north of King Ed. Up to 12 Stories (Oakridge excluded) immediately around 41st ave. Up to 10 Stories immediately around Langara, and at Marine Drive the possiblity of allowing highrises (no height given).
There is also talk about redeveloping the 70 rental townhouse units across from the Marine Dr Station but it would require the replacement of those 70 rental family units in any new development. Anyways lots more info in the document for those that like this kind of stuff.

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Old Posted Jan 15, 2010, 6:55 AM
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I'm quite curious to see what Oakridge and Marine Drive will look like. Besides the Fraserlands Development, I think the focus around the Cambie Corridor are one of the most interesting and exciting areas of Vancouver's developments.
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Sounds promising - thanks.
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Old Posted Jan 15, 2010, 9:38 PM
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Vancouver really needs to get on with building more TODs. This should be the cornerstone of ecodensity as it is the most efficient use of valuable land. Richmond, Burnaby, New West, Surrey, and even Coquitlam are already way ahead of the game. Even Seattle is building TODs around their new LRT stations as we speak. Example, Othello Station:


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Old Posted Jan 15, 2010, 10:11 PM
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good on you seattle. looks like sf's mission bay along the t-line.

as for vancouver, jesus christ does broadway and commercial need to be rezoned wholesale. imagine, the area there could probably support 10,000 more residents, just within the 1sq km surrounding the station. it's just so obviously what needs to happen.
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While I do agree that the Commercial-Broadway area good easily do with a rezoning and a few towers put up in the area. I also stop and think because that station is already the busiest. Do you want to make it busier still. Or should they look at rezoning the areas around Nanaimo or 29th or Renfrew or Rupert stations first. Get those stations to be busier.

In the end though all of the stations are going to have to be rezoned. Whether people like it or not.
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2010, 9:26 AM
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a small question

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Vancouver really needs to get on with building more TODs. This should be the cornerstone of ecodensity as it is the most efficient use of valuable land. Richmond, Burnaby, New West, Surrey, and even Coquitlam are already way ahead of the game. Even Seattle is building TODs around their new LRT stations as we speak. Example, Othello Station:
Hate to sound dumb, but what are TODs ? Thank you.
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dont understand the height limit very well...why not taller
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Hate to sound dumb, but what are TODs ? Thank you.
Transit-oriented developments, I believe.
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2010, 11:18 AM
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that seattle othello station area looks easy to redevelop compared to most of what vancouver has - vancouver has multiple home owners - a developer would have to pay close to $1 million per house in some areas - to buy a whole block of houses is not really doable - probably why its not going to happen quickly - oakridge yes some areas could be redone around 41st - around 49th not so much - nimbys aside its way to expensive to buy a whole block of houses at the market value and redevelop
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Interesting. By allowing higher density north of King Ed they'll be running smack into the kind of civically engaged people who bought a lot of the character houses in the area (Indeed, does Gregor's own abode fall just within that 500 m bubble, or just without?)

Better to have concentrated the higher density south of King Ed, which has larger lots (easier assembly) and an uninspiring mix of post war bungalows and Hong Kong specials.
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2010, 6:27 PM
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I think people are failing to see density, Broadway and commercial while it has no highrises, or even midrises is one of the densest parts of the city, the amount of people living per hectare is incredible and beats a lot of areas that look denser.

Also the building heights proposed along the Cambie corridor are very impressive, I'm more curious as to how much fsr will be allowed within that height.
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Which is why I didn't think the area around the Commercial-Broadway station is best for more density at this point in time.

Density doesn't have to mean tall condo towers. Prime examples of this are London and Paris. So sometimes there are more people in an area than what looks like there might be based on the building styles.

One thing that does make the Com-Broadway dense is because most of those people or families are on the lower income scale. Chances are they are going to be living in smaller places so more dwellings per sqkm. And they will more than likely have more people per dwelling. Hence a higher density of people even though the area doesn't look that dense.
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that seattle othello station area looks easy to redevelop compared to most of what vancouver has - vancouver has multiple home owners - a developer would have to pay close to $1 million per house in some areas - to buy a whole block of houses is not really doable - probably why its not going to happen quickly - oakridge yes some areas could be redone around 41st - around 49th not so much - nimbys aside its way to expensive to buy a whole block of houses at the market value and redevelop
I think the only way around this. Is if the city was to rezone an area. And then buy out the home owners at market value. Kind of like what happens when they need to build a new road or transit line and property or part of a property is in the way. Except in this case it is for a rezoning.
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hasn't most of the nanaimo station area been rezoned already and just that there is no need to redevelop yet?

the city is moving in teh right direction but there is no crushing need yet
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hasn't most of the nanaimo station area been rezoned already and just that there is no need to redevelop yet?

the city is moving in teh right direction but there is no crushing need yet
i think my pals are dead before cambie gets done...
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One apsect is that Commercial and Broadway should be an office node, not just a residential node.
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Which is why I didn't think the area around the Commercial-Broadway station is best for more density at this point in time.

Density doesn't have to mean tall condo towers. Prime examples of this are London and Paris. So sometimes there are more people in an area than what looks like there might be based on the building styles.

One thing that does make the Com-Broadway dense is because most of those people or families are on the lower income scale. Chances are they are going to be living in smaller places so more dwellings per sqkm. And they will more than likely have more people per dwelling. Hence a higher density of people even though the area doesn't look that dense.
Yes, but it is the problem of the area:

socially defavorized neighborood + transit hub highlighting socially defavorized population make the neighborood and especially the transit station precinct not attractive:

there is little thing we can do to change the pattern of transit customer in short term but there is something we can do to mitigate the negative feeling proviied by it:

and it is increase density, with a la "citygate" (next to main) or "Europa" development (next to stadium) for one part


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One apsect is that Commercial and Broadway should be an office node, not just a residential node.
very certainly, it is the best way to capitalize on a transit hub like Commercial#Broadway
(but don't forget either to bring some nightlife, either by residential devlopment, or appropriate commercial activities, like cinema...to avoid the deadzone effect at dark)


When I see this lowrise BCE building under construction on the NorthWest corner of the intersection:
I feel a huge missed opportunity to build something more in line of what we can witness on same corner of Cambie#Broadway
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2010, 5:50 AM
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Cambie street corridor planning is moving along quickly. Probably a surprise to those that think the west side if filled with nimbies. I've included the presentation boards for the latest open houses. Pretty impressive density increases across the line with extra density at the nodes. 41st and Marine being the biggest. I would not be surprised to see a revamping of the area around 57th ave in the not to distant future...

Council approved Planning Principles.
http://vancouver.ca/commsvcs/plannin...Principles.pdf

Emerging plan draft
http://vancouver.ca/commsvcs/plannin...ing%20Plan.pdf

Initial design concepts
http://vancouver.ca/commsvcs/plannin...20Concepts.pdf

Current rezoning apps
http://vancouver.ca/commsvcs/plannin...plications.pdf

Next Steps
http://vancouver.ca/commsvcs/plannin...xt%20Steps.pdf

Summary of council approved policy
http://vancouver.ca/commsvcs/plannin...d%20Policy.pdf
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Thanks for posting.
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