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Old Posted Apr 15, 2017, 3:23 PM
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It's the oldest part of the country and had a number of cities that we're already quite substantial 100 years ago. In 1871 Saint John (Saint John + Portland) was the 4th largest city in Canada with 41,325 people. By comparison, Toronto had 56,092 people that same census year.

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And yet you can see that in the following censuses Saint John was already drastically stagnating and then shrinking. I never realized how early the city started losing out to Central Canadian ports and railways.
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Old Posted Apr 15, 2017, 3:34 PM
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I would argue the provincial politics has played a huge role in Saint John's stagnation. The difference between Fton Mton to SJ is that the former have larger public sector employment with gov offices whether it's the feds or province. And with the situation in SJ as dire as it has become today, I think state intervention is vital now that the market has declined and Irvings rule. It is hard to do much in the city now that the Irvings own so much land. This one family is a huge problem for us, whether it's the property taxes they don't pay, labour they exploit or the smoke they spew in our air and waste in our rivers

With some of the largest per capital declines in manufacturing in Canada since the 1980s-ish— as we saw Lantic Sugar, Labatt's the shipyard, Simm's, Red Rose to name a few, even Saint John's fisheries has declined— we need some good old fashioned keynesian policies to target growth in Saint John. Maybe it be wise to establish some serious federal/provincial tidal power initiative centred in Saint John. I don't know

Amalgamation might be part of a larger strategy, but it would have to mean a redraw of the boundaries to not just absorb the suburbs. It would mean to lose some parts of the city that are sparse so that the overall square-km remains relatively the same. And it would mean the province finally has to step up. Canada's only shrinking CMA is pretty damning

Rough but ya get the idea:

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Old Posted Apr 15, 2017, 6:05 PM
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Great set Martin ! Have you ever considered make your work benefit organizations such as Tourisme Montréal ?

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Great place... Great memories. I've spent a whole summer working there (gathering old pictures from a fund and compiling stats). The translucid floors are a very cool feature (along with the white ambiance).
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Old Posted Apr 15, 2017, 6:13 PM
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CEGEP Saint-Laurent.
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CEGEP Saint-Laurent.
Cool! Thanks! I've never been to this side of the building apparently. This Cégep must be one of the most beautiful in the province (on par with Valleyfield)!
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Old Posted Apr 15, 2017, 6:22 PM
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/\ Yes, it's quite pretty. Did you know that the church was originally on René-Lévesque street near Dorchester Square and was move, stone by stone, to Saint-Laurent ?

In 1930, the college purchased the old St. Andrews and St. Paul Church from Canadian National. Although this event may seem insignificant, the church was dismantled one stone at a time in Montréal and rebuilt in Saint-Laurent.
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Old Posted Apr 15, 2017, 6:27 PM
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/\ Yes, it's quite pretty. Did you know that the church was originally on René-Lévesque street near Dorchester Square and was move, stone by stone, to Saint-Laurent ?
NOOOOO? I mean, the ensemble is so homogeneous... I would never have thought. Thanks for that! I'll appreciate it more when I'll visit. Awesome tranche d'histoire
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Old Posted Apr 15, 2017, 10:16 PM
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I would argue the provincial politics has played a huge role in Saint John's stagnation. The difference between Fton Mton to SJ is that the former have larger public sector employment with gov offices whether it's the feds or province. And with the situation in SJ as dire as it has become today, I think state intervention is vital now that the market has declined and Irvings rule. It is hard to do much in the city now that the Irvings own so much land. This one family is a huge problem for us, whether it's the property taxes they don't pay, labour they exploit or the smoke they spew in our air and waste in our rivers
There are a few different reasons why Saint John isn't a big metropolis but I think this is the reason why the city's been stagnating and losing ground compared to other cities in the region in recent decades.

Halifax, St. John's, and Charlottetown are "full service" capitals that have a wide variety of stuff for their province (well-paid administrative jobs, better hospitals, bigger universities, more developed airports, etc.) and some private businesses that, even if they're not related, benefit from everything else. The greater diversity of public and private sector employment keeps the economies of those cities on a more even keel.

Some people argue that it's nice how there are 3 cities in NB that are all fairly close to each other but they are not quite close enough together to function like one metropolitan area.
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Old Posted Apr 15, 2017, 10:36 PM
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It's easy to create idle hypothetical situations all day but I've always felt like the tumultuous situation in the Maritimes was one where, well, things went somewhat unusually poorly and it's easy to imagine a bunch of alternative outcomes that would have produced a more functional regional economy.

One change for example would have been to not deport a good chunk of the region's population in the 1750's. The Maritimes were one of those places, similar to, say, parts of the Southern US or the Caribbean, where somebody came by every 30-50 years to mess everything up. Nowhere else in Canada came close to the level of interference that happened in the Maritimes. I'm not sure if it's true, but one of Annapolis Royal's claims to fame is that it has been attacked more often than anywhere else in North America; something like 13 times.

Had the geography been a tiny bit different I think the Maritimes could have easily had a "killer" spot for one dominant city similar to the Eastern Seaboard cities in the US (Boston, NYC, Philadelphia, Baltimore). There just needed to be a better land connection across the Bay of Fundy or a better water route from the Atlantic through to the Saint John river valley. This would have created one larger hinterland with its own agricultural base and good trade connections. Unfortunately, the resources of the Maritimes are naturally broken up. There was no single good spot for a city, and the relative value of different locations changed a lot as land transportation improved. This is why PEI is a separate province, Halifax and Saint John were competing ports and industrial cities, Moncton started to rival Saint John, etc.
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Deering Island is a little spot hidden away in SW Vancouver. Its just a street of houses with a small park area

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across the river is one of the larger mansions of southlands
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newer towers on granville street in the marpole area are visible
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being next to adjacent to southlands means you will encounter horses
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you cross a bridge to get there
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the park area is right on the river
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And yet you can see that in the following censuses Saint John was already drastically stagnating and then shrinking. I never realized how early the city started losing out to Central Canadian ports and railways.
Confederation marks the turning point for Saint John and to a large extent all of the Maritimes. In 1867 Saint John, Halifax, and even PEI were places of consequence in Canada. By 1911, the region had lost its place. Halifax briefly regained some prominence during WW2 but that remains an aberration.
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^Too many pops at those early Charlottetown meetings then on the part of Maritime reps..
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Gorgeous pics, all!

It's almost time for spring proper - with some sun and heat. The sweet stench of rot from a winter's worth of litter and filth on the streets of what is already, at the best of the times, a very dirty city.

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I've been bitching and parenting (That's right, who the hell do I think I am?) on a couple of other threads, so I thought I would do the same here: there are too many beautiful pictures in the thread and I don't have the time to look at them properly! Also, I have lived in a number of Canada's cities (Montréal, Québec, Toronto, Ottawa, Edmonton) and the photos make me both homesick and jealous that I am not seeing all the change happening. When I spent a decade in Toronto, I saw fewer than 10 significant projects built; Montreal for six years let me watch about 5-6; Québec, zero; in Ottawa, nothing of note; and Edmonton, 1 or 2. And now: explosions of dozens and hundreds while my old homes are remade on a scale never before known. Granted, the rate of change in Vancouver is equal to any (almost), so I am not hard done by. But damn!

Thanks, and keep it up!

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