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Old Posted Jan 4, 2011, 11:01 PM
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Montreal in 1940 (population 903,007) was significantly smaller than New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, Detroit and Los Angeles, and was on par, roughly, with St. Louis (816,048), Baltimore (859,100) and Cleveland (878,336). Toronto was one rung down with the Cincinnatis and the Pittsburghs.

All other Canadian cities were the equivalent of American towns.
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Old Posted Jan 4, 2011, 11:07 PM
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This thread could be awesome if it had more pictures.
fair enough, here are chicago's pre-war towers over 500'.

1. chicago board of trade - 605'


source: http://www.emporis.com/application/?nav=image&id=141655




2. chicago temple building - 568'


source: http://www.emporis.com/application/?nav=image&id=520826




3. palmolive building - 565'


source: http://www.emporis.com/application/?nav=image&id=413857




4. civic opera building - 555'


source: http://www.emporis.com/application/?nav=image&id=530620




5. pittsfield building - 551'


source: http://www.emporis.com/application/?nav=image&id=374223




6. lasalle bank building - 535'


source: http://www.emporis.com/application/?nav=image&id=294877




7. one north lasalle - 530'


source: http://www.emporis.com/application/?nav=image&id=464941




8. 35 east wacker - 523'


source: http://www.emporis.com/application/?nav=image&id=363641




9. mather tower - 521'


source: http://www.emporis.com/application/?nav=image&id=716944




10. lasalle-wacker building -512'


source: http://www.emporis.com/application/?nav=image&id=151462




11. carbide 7 carbon building - 503'


source: http://www.emporis.com/application/?nav=image&id=275276
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Here's some pictures. San Antonio may not have many tall ones, and we can't compete with the powerhouses in the east, but we still have probably the most pre-war talls of any city in TX. The Smith-Young Tower(now called Tower-Life), the Nix Hospital, the Alamo National Bank (now the Drury Plaza), the Medical Arts building (now the Emily Morgan hotel), San Antonio Plaza, Southwestern Bell building and the Milam building are a few of the best-known. Almost all of the ones below were built in within 10 years of each other in the '20s.


milam building (first skyscraper with central air)


tower life building


nix hospital


south texas building


Emily Morgan


emily morgan hotel


drury hotel


southwestern bell building


municipal plaza building


majestic building


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Tulsa could be put in the honorable mention category, especially for a young, small city.

Went from this in about 1900


To this by about 1927
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Kind of interesting that OKC is on a tier with San Francisco, Houston, Cincy, and Toronto in pre-war buildings over 400', with two that were built at the same time across the street from each other (in a city that didn't exist 40 years earlier). First National Bank and Ramsey Tower were in a skyscraper race in 1931. Ramsey reached 439 feet while First National barely scraped past to 446 feet, and would remain the city's tallest until 1971. Only one other building was over 200 feet, the now demolished Biltmore Hotel. Would love to see examples of other skyscrapers in the smaller cities around the country then.

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Tulsa could be put in the honorable mention category, especially for a young, small city.
Tulsa actually does stack up with some of the best.

Over 500 ft- 1
Over 400 ft- 2
Over 300 ft- 3
Over 200 ft- 5
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Skipping the obvious 1/2, Detroit and Kansas City are easily 3/4, then Pittsburgh. Winston, N.C. should get points for the Reynolds Building.

After those top five, the value drops off significantly because you start naming cities that once had wonderful crops of old highrises but tore them down in subsequent years.

EDIT: I'm being unfair to Cincinnati. That city ranks too.
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Tulsa, Oklahoma


Jersey City, New Jersey






Kansas City, Missouri




Providence, Rhode Island (state's tallest still)


Detroit, Michigan




Duluth, Minnesota
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Some of the Canadian contingent:

Édifice Aldred (Montreal)


Édifice Bell (Montreal)


Whitney Block (Toronto)


Commerce Court (Toronto)


Édifice Price (Quebec City)


Pigott Building (Hamilton)
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Bravo to the Palmolive building in Chicago, the surprisingly good collection of prewars in San Antonio, and that absolute stunner in Detroit.

Hubba hubba.

I remember seeing pics recently of the city hall in KC and being very impressed. Was that on this site? I'll look around
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Given those numbers, I think a top five stand out pretty clearly as
1. New York
2. Chicago
3. Detroit
4. Philadelphia
5. Pittsburgh

You might quibble over the 3-5 rankings, but those 5 seem to be a tier above the rest IMO. KC looks like a distant 6th.

Except that your numbers leave out some key cities. What does Boston look like? San Francisco? Saint Louis? New Orleans? Minneapolis? Milwaukee?
Perhaps I should be ashamed of myself for not really thinking about Philadelphia. Obviously, I'm going to be more critical on its placing. When I compare our pre-war crop to other cities I suppose it's at least as good as some but I think back to the buildings that aren't there anymore and silently weep but perhaps it isn't that bad.

This is Center City, facing NE, circa mid-1930s

With one or two exceptions, every highrise in this photo still stands today.


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^ great image, and a perfect demonstration of why feel that kansas city, while it certainly punches above its weightclass with a nice collection of pre-war talls, does not make the top 5. cities like pittsburgh, philly, and detroit have the beauty and the height to more than match KC, but then they also bring the numerical superiority.

hell, after seeing that image, maybe philly deserves the 3-spot. not as much height as detroit & pittsburgh at the very upper end, but as far as pre-war skyscraper/highrise expanse, i'm thinking that only NYC and chicago could beat philly back in the day. this is where the following stat really stands out:

pre-war buildings over 200':

chicago: 146
philly: 50
detroit: 29
san francisco: 21
pittsburgh: 20
st. louis: 17
toronto: 15
kansas city: 13
baltimore: 12
cincinnati: 12
cleveland: 12
newark: 11
los angeles: 10
seattle: 10
houston: 9
buffalo: 8
minneapolis: 8
boston: 6
montreal: 4
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Nice to see a lot of people here recognize Pittsburgh as having one of the top collections of pre-war skyscrapers... I think Pittsburgh can be easy to overlook since perhaps the city's signature pre-war skyscraper is not located Downtown... but in the Oakland neighborhood... the University of Pittsburgh's 535 ft. Cathedral of Learning (1936)...


wikipedia.org



Additionally, Downtown Pittsburgh has one of the "densest" skylines in the U.S... with its many taller post-war towers blocking views of the prewar skyscraper stock. The 475 ft. Koppers Building (1929), for example, is blocked completely or barely visible from almost every skyline view.


wikipedia.org

Even the 582 ft. Gulf Tower (taller than Cincy's signature Carew, for example), the tallest of Pittsburgh's pre-war towers (1932), is often hidden from view.


wikipedia.org

Other "hidden" gems include:

Daniel Burnham's 347ft Oliver Building (1910)

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Burnham's 330ft Frick Building (1902!)

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485ft Grant Building (1930)

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what a lovely photo of a little-loved city.


I would like to add that I just love this thread. Nothing beats prewar skyscrapers; except maybe Natalie Portman's lesbian scenes.
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Cudos to Pittsburgh for saving so many of its older highrise buildings. I wish we had saved even half of what we tore down. Especially the Art Deco ones.
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Seems like we have this pretty hashed out. Even though St. Louis has always been somewhat apathetic in regards to the skyscraper, heres a few pre war buildings w/ skyscraping aspirations in St. Louis.


http://www.tinotopia.com/graphics/co...l-building.jpg


http://www.chaseparkplaza.com/media/..._Plaza_151.jpg


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2498/...2ff55413c1.jpg


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3572/...8b3f6085e5.jpg


http://www.gsa.gov/graphics/regions/RAYFedBldg.jpg


http://www.thelawrencegroup.com/port...images/PP1.jpg

Then there is this little guy, kind of shoved aside in history...


http://207.160.50.21/images/imagedb/...rightbldg1.jpg

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Wow, great thread. Here's some Milwaukee:

City Hall (1895) 353 feet

Wikipedia

First National Bank (1914)

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St Josaphat Basilica

Wikipedia

Wisconsin Tower (1930) 280 ft

flickr

Milwaukee Hilton (1927) 274 ft

flickr

Wisconsin Gas Building (1930) 250 ft

flickr

Cudahy Tower (1928) 224 ft

flickr

ATT Center (1924) 213 ft

flickr

Wells Building (1901) 212 ft

flickr

Majestic Building (1907) 190 ft

Emporis

PH Dye House (1922) 185ft

Emporis

M Carpenter Tower (1922) 180 ft

Emporis

Milwaukee County Courthouse (1932) 176 ft

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First Fianancial Centre (1929) 174 ft

Emporis

Riverside Theater (1927) 160 ft


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Milwaukee Athletic Club (1917) 160 ft

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Grand Wisconsin (1913) 160 ft

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Federal Courthouse (1892) 155ft

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Warner Building (1931) 154 ft

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Best Western (1924) 145 ft

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Riverfront lofts (1916) 144ft

Emporis

Germania Building (1896) 140ft

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Northwest Mutual (1912) 137 ft

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Renaissance Building (1896) 131 ft

Emporis

ASQ Center (1924) 127 ft

Flickr

Caswell Building (1924) 124ft

Emporis

Commission House Condos (1907) 123 ft

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Mackie Building (1880) 120 ft




Pfister Hotel (1892) 120 ft


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City Hall Square Apartments (1909) 115 ft

http://www.flickr.com/photos/eridony...n/photostream/

Teweles Seed Tower (1919)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/endymio...n/photostream/

Railway Exchange (1901)

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Downtown Milwaukee looks good!


http://www.andrewcusack.com/romwes14.jpg

300'

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http://www.nyc-architecture.com/SPEC/034.jpg

Man, this looks like classical St. Louis on roids. Thick with respectably solid buildings. The first time I was in Center City, the first thing I noticed was the thickness of heavy duty solid pre war commercial architecture (well, that and the fantastic urban connective tissue).

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St. Louis seems to have a lot of prewar skyscrapers in the 200ft-300ft range.
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