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I never knew until I went there last weekend how truly massive it is and awesome. I still dont really comprehend how I could have not known really too much about all the amazing urban neighborhoods that reside in STL. My image of the city for sure changed after going to it. I havent been able to stop thinking about STL since I got back. It's so fucking awesome and I had no idea.
That's how I feel every day and I live here!
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I never knew until I went there last weekend how truly massive it is and awesome. I still dont really comprehend how I could have not known really too much about all the amazing urban neighborhoods that reside in STL. My image of the city for sure changed after going to it. I havent been able to stop thinking about STL since I got back. It's so fucking awesome and I had no idea.
For me, St. Louis is way up there on the list of America's greatest and most storied cities.

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Some excellent photos here. I really enjoyed the "No drinking or loitering" painted sign one & the children on the wooden fence picture
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Great thread. The photos are top notch, and I can never get tired of seeing St Louis, my first urban love.
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Makes me imagine what it was like when it was placed in the Route 66 song. Can't make that California trip without it.
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I live in Skinker-DeBaliviere, on the city's West Side-- one of the vast sections of the city that you missed! The entire central corridor, from downtown west to Midtown to the Central West End to DeBaliviere Place to Skinker-DeBaliviere, is worth a visit to St. Louis in and of itself and has a totally different feel from the North or South Side. You'll definitely have to come back. Some of these 'hoods are among the most densely populated in the city.
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What a shame... Seeing a grand cathedral abandoned in the middle of acres and acres of urban prairie, just a really sad reminder of the former glory of St. Louis. It doesn't even look ghetto, it's post-apocalyptic. If you told people in the 30s and 40s that this was gonna happen to parts of their city in a few decades they'd laugh in your face.

Do you guys think that these neighborhoods will ever be rebuilt and be as dense as they were?
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I think those neighborhoods will continue to improve, but they will never be as dense as they once were, because there isn't a need for them to ever be as dense. Cities are not built the way they used to be because they don't need to be. People don't walk everywhere the way they used to.

To be fair, every major industrial city in the country has areas that resemble the ones in these photos: Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, Philadelphia, Baltimore, etc. This is not a St. Louis phenomenon. It's also very important to know that MANY, MANY, MANY neighborhoods in St. Louis City have NOT been abandoned and are heavily embraced and inhabited. These pictures show some of the most depressing sections, but there is so much vibrant awesomeness packed into these 61 square miles that you don't see here.
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It's a shame some of these neighborhoods are the way they are. If I found the right job there I would live in St. Louis in an instant. But for some reason a lot of people are really down on the city because of its rundown neighborhoods and crime issues. Hopefully that changes in the next decade. Maybe Sam Bradford and the Rams can lead the way.
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I would also live in St. Louis in an instant, its such an amazing city. Only the northern part of the city is bombed out, and theres still parts of the northern section that is still intact. The southern and western parts of the city are still largely intact, but a lot of the hoods are pretty bad ghettos though.
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In all honesty, speaking as objectively as I can, I would tell you that 70% of the neighborhoods in St. Louis City are perfectly inhabitable. I would also say that 50% would be widely considered attractive to most city-loving people. The city gets an unfair rap. A lot of people think neighborhoods with lots of African-Americans = ghetto, which is far from reality. We definitely have some very rough 'hoods, but I would argue that there are MANY more very nice, wonderful 'hoods in the city proper.
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OUTSTANDING. Keep in mind, though, that the city's North Side comprises nearly half the geographic area of the city, and is home to almost 30 of the city's 79 official neighborhoods. Not all of them are as decrepit as the ones you have captured. Some of them are among the most dense in the city, especially west of where you were. The 'hoods I see represented here are Old North, Hyde Park, St. Louis Place, Carr Square and JeffVanderLou (and some South Side 'hoods). Some I'd suggest for your next visit are Penrose, Walnut Park, Academy, Fountain Park and several others. They do not fit the stereotype of "North St. Louis." Great set!
I would also add North Pointe, O'Fallon and Baden as well next time your in North St. Louis.


I'm glad that you did explore the Northside of St. Louis because to understand a city one needs to explore every part to get the complete story. Also I'm very impressed that you got out and walked around as I have friends that won't even drive through the northside.
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Great shots. St. Louis makes up the Trifecta of the dense, all encompassing, pedestrian friendly cities in the midwest, which includes Cincinnati and Chicago (four if you consider Pittsburgh midwest)

I do think the N.O. is as impressive however, simply because it also has a neighborhood with an age and walkability that only Boston and Philly can lay claim to in the whole country.
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Great shots. St. Louis makes up the Trifecta of the dense, all encompassing, pedestrian friendly cities in the midwest, which includes Cincinnati and Chicago (four if you consider Pittsburgh midwest)

I do think the N.O. is as impressive however, simply because it also has a neighborhood with an age and walkability that only Boston and Philly can lay claim to in the whole country.
Yeah, I agree, New Orleans is spectacular, even beyond the Quarter.

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I've never been to New Orleans either and I plan on going next Spring break, Ill take the amtrak from Memphis to NO and stay in some hostels, it will be amazing. I need to really get back to STL too though one of these days.
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Incredible pictures! You have a gift for photography!

I have to admit I haven't explored the northern part of St. Louis, but the whole central corridor from DT to Grand to CWE to Forest Park and University City is one of my favorite urban sectors.

In addition to Richmond, I'd also add Cincinnati (plus its Kentucky cousin-Covington) as a non-Northeastern city with an impressive urban fabric. St Louis's Central Corridor and Richmond's Carytown/The Fan/Downtown/Shockhoe Slip/Tobacco Row have Cincinnati beat easily where it comes to having a series of contiguous vibrant urban districts.
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Cincinnati, like Pittsburgh, is fragmented due to the hills to have a "continuous" corridor of "vibrant commercial districts." Cincinnati (and Pittsburgh) have far more commercial districts throughout the city than St. Louis/Richmond due to the topography.
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Cincinnati, like Pittsburgh, is fragmented due to the hills to have a "continuous" corridor of "vibrant commercial districts." Cincinnati (and Pittsburgh) have far more commercial districts throughout the city than St. Louis/Richmond due to the topography.
I agree with you about Pittsburgh; I respectfully disagree about Cincinnati.

Both are cities I've visited more than five times each-- Cincinnati may have some cohesive districts, but none-- I repeat-- none, is as vibrant as any in St. Louis. I stand by that observation. Pittsburgh is a different story.
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I totally disagree with that. I don't think I've seen any truly vibrant commercial streets in St. Louis. Sure, I've seen some people walking out in the Central West End (what is it, Euclid? The one with the cobble streets), getting coffee, etc or that Delmar Loop in University City but as far as "vibrant" commercial streets, Hamilton Avenue alone in the Northside is more vibrant than anything I've seen in St. Louis, let alone McMillan/Calhoun in Clifton Heights (which is to be expected when having a 40,000 person university). Hell, Mainstrasse in Covington is more vibrant than anything I've seen in St. Louis, and that's in a suburb! But then again, so is the Delmar Loop...

And I stand by that observation since I've gotten two (one thorough, one brief) St. Louis tours from both you and your brother.
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