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It might be the same Los Feliz Produce Market. There's other signs, from left to right: ? ? (unreadable) Meat Market, Day and Night Grocers, Bakery Goods, and Martin's Delicatessen.
I would say you're entirely correct Silver Ed.
The 'bays' appear to be rented to various vendors. And they're all under the umbrella of "Los Feliz Produce Market".

Alot of the time I pick up on small clues but miss much larger ones that are staring me in the face. I don't know why that is.
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wasn't there some talk about adding additional floors to it? something to the matter that Pantages lost his fortune during the stock market crash
and that's why they never built the additional floors. Maybe I read it here?
Yes, you're correct unihikid...the initial plans included a 12 story office building.

"In the late 1920s, Los Angeles theater mogul Alexander Pantages started work on a costly Art Deco playhouse that would be topped
by a 12-story office tower overlooking the famous intersection of Hollywood and Vine.

A massive steel and concrete foundation was laid, but the 1929 stock market crash halted construction at two stories.
To this day, the Pantages Theatre, currently showing the long-running musical "Wicked," remains a two-story structure."

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And in 2007....

Decades later, 12-story plan for Pantages revived.

Obviously it was never built. -stopped by yet another 'crash'.
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Old Posted Jul 17, 2018, 9:31 PM
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and speaking of crash



oops. I just realized I posted this once before. (but it was a loooong time ago. so I'll leave it be)
......................................very interesting light fixtures.
(I think I said that the last time too)



The building still stands despite Virginia Burnado's lack of driving skills.


GSV

Did we ever figure out the name of the bar?

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Here's a bar that I'm pretty sure we haven't discussed.

It featured outdoor yodeling!


ebay

restaurant with bar/outdoor dancing
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Switzerland Restaurant, 4057 So. Figueroa St. Los Angeles Calif.

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A few photos of the Tujunga area courtesy CSUN library...



Presumably "Foothill" indicates Foothill Blvd...no Los Angeles St. exists in present-day Tujunga.




Likely 1950's...no address provided.





Commerce St., Tujunga...1950


And today's GSV:



I think I have this identified correctly...the bakery and drug store building have been demolished.





CSUN has this image dated 1930, but clearly that's incorrect...I would guess late '50's....no explanation provided as to what's going on here.
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Los Angeles Public Library has this labeled as the Los Feliz Produce Market. --but it clearly say's MYER's. Was there a name change or is this simple mislabeled?


LAPL

On the same corner on Los Feliz Blvd in May 2009.



GSV

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A few photos of the Tujunga area courtesy CSUN library...




Commerce St., Tujunga...1950


And today's GSV:



I think I have this identified correctly...the bakery and drug store building have been demolished.

Between the date of the GSV and March 25 2018, Commerce Avenue has gained some faux-historic street lights. Note the buildings in the background!



Although the street light looks a lot like the typical Union Metal Twins found all over L.A., the combination of the arms, base, and collar surrounding the shaft just above the base means this is the Union Metal model #2779. Per the Union Metal records, none were ever shipped to Los Angeles during the "classic" period of 1906-1930.


UM 2779 originals CAN be found in Downtown Portland OR. Six of the Portland poles made their way to Urban Light. The "Portland" poles are in the center of my 10-07-16 shot. Note the similarity to the "Metropolitan" poles on the left and the "Pacific" poles on the right. Both of those are still easy to find in L.A.



It's the detail in the collar above the base that tells us that the Commerce Avenue reproductions are based on the exotic Portland street lights. A true Metropolitan would have a "bow-tie" detail in that collar. The Portland/Commerce street lights display cabochons instead.

Again at Urban Light. Metropolitans with their "bow-ties" on the left, and Portland/Commerce UM 2779 with the cabochons in the center row. Pacific on the right. My photo 11-20-17.




Phew! To attempt to bring this back to topic, I'll just say that I found the exotic "Portland" design an unusual choice for the Commerce Avenue reproductions. My photo: 03-25-18.


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remember this slide

ebay


And Noir Noir's follow-up with the election results.

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I thought I would look into the winner Ernest E. Debs (embarrassingly, I had him mixed up with Eugene V. Debs)


I located a rather strange document that Debs signed. [Ernest, not Eugene]


mentorhuebertart

As you can see..it designates Louise Huebner as the 'Official Witch of Los Angeles'! say whaaat?


Here's Louise as a child

mentorhuebertart




and during her witchy-poo days.


thevintagenews

On July 21, 1969 she cast a spell on the City of Los Angeles (actually, the entire county) The event took place at the Hollywood Bowl in front of 11,000 people.

Here's the incantation.

"LIGHT THE FLAME
BRIGHT THE FIRE

RED IS THE COLOR OF DESIRE"

The spell was intended to "enhance the levels of romantic and emotional vitality throughout Los Angeles County." (sex)

If you like.. you can read the whole story HERE.
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Old Posted Jul 18, 2018, 4:47 AM
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I recall The Switzerland on Fig near Santa Barbara Street. Rustic European looking place, anomalous in South LA, a vestige of the area before the demographic changes.

As to Dr. Pepper, at poker nights at our house in the 1950s Dr. Pepper was a game - 10s, 2s and 4s were wild. Must have been a pretty wide open series of hands. I remember my mom and dad and their friends at two card tables in the small living room, clouds of cigarette smoke, whiskey and highballs and beer, yakking and playing late into the night. Us children relegated to the bedroom and sleepy children bundled into cars long after midnight. It was a treat because we got to stay up late and sneak into the living room and spy on our parents. And sometimes being rewarded with a taste of whiskey.
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ghost town SOLD.

The article is in today's NYTIMES (I like the part about the bullet holes and blood stain)

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Below: some additional information.


photo from owensvalleyhistory

The town is 200 miles north of Los Angeles [beyond our usual radius on nla], but there's a connection to Prudence Beaudry through his brother Victor.

"Victor Beaudry opened a general store to serve the miners. Smelting ore in crude furnaces
and using "vasos" (vessels) to refine it into a portable silver and lead mixture, the miners traded it
for provisions at Beaudry's store.

The brother of Los Angeles real estate tycoon and later L.A. mayor (1874-76) Prudence Beaudry, Victor Beaudry
extended enough credit to enough miners that he was soon able to foreclose on their claims and gobble up
most of the Cerro Gordo mines, including a half-interest in the largest, the Union, perched above the camp."

more at scvhistory

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Cerro Gordo / Beale's Cut / LAIRR / Owens Valley / Independence CA / Inyo County



Cerro Gordo has come up several times here. Remi Nadeau got rich hauling bullion from the mines into Los Angeles:

"Freighting strings belonging to Remi Nadeau are captured here in Soledad Canyon. During the 1870's, Nadeau and his men hauled silver-lead bullion from the Soledad and Cerro Gordo mines to Los Angeles via Beale's Cut. Nadeau, who owned property in Canyon Country that later became the North Oaks home tract, sold the business in 1882 and returned to Los Angeles, where he built a hotel and worked in agriculture."


lapl

Competitors planned the Los Angeles and Independence Railroad to haul the bullion from the mines to the coast, but the mines gave out and the Southern Pacific got bent out of shape, so the line only ever ran from E 5th and San Pedro to Santa Monica:

wiki E 5th & San Pedro

The Expo Line now uses part of the LAIRR RoW.

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Here's the article in today's NYTIMES
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Below: some additional information.


photo from owensvalleyhistory

The town is 200 miles north of Los Angeles [beyond our usual radius on nla], but there's a connection to Prudence Beaudry through his brother Victor.

"Victor Beaudry opened a general store to serve the miners. Smelting ore in crude furnaces
and using "vasos" (vessels) to refine it into a portable silver and lead mixture, the miners traded it
for provisions at Beaudry's store.

The brother of Los Angeles real estate tycoon and later L.A. mayor (1874-76) Prudence Beaudry, Victor Beaudry
extended enough credit to enough miners that he was soon able to foreclose on their claims and gobble up
most of the Cerro Gordo mines, including a half-interest in the largest, the Union, perched above the camp."

more at scvhistory
e_r, what my notes have on Victor Beaudry:

Beaudry, Victor ca. 1830, born in Canada; brother of Prudent Beaudry; 1849, to California; 1855, to Los Angeles; September 22, 1855, published (Los Angeles Star): “Bags for Sale, or made to order by Machinery […]. Also—Tents, Hose, Ceilings, and Wagon Covers sewed. V. Beaudry. Third door from Aliso Street, —Beaudry’s Block, Negro Alley”; July 11, 1857, published (Los Angeles Star): aiding in the civic Independence Day proceedings; 1858, with Marchessault organized the Santa Anita Mining Company; 1860, present in L.A. as a merchant with savings of $1,000; July 14, 1860, published (Los Angeles Star): on Grand Jury; 1861, “made Sutler of the First Regiment of Infantry, United States regular army, and went east to the seat of war, and was with the army till the close of the war, suffering many hardships which greatly impaired his health. Officers of the army who had become warm friends of his were afterward stationed at Camp Independence, Inyo County, California, and they invited him to open a store at that point. This he did, and later acquired interests in the Cerro Gordo Mines, which he worked, in company with Mr. M.W. Belshaw, with great success” (Illustrated History of Los Angeles County, p. 375); “In 1872 Mr. Victor Beaudry returned to Montreal, where he was married during the following year to a daughter of M. Leblanc, Sheriff of Montreal. The result of this union was five children, now residing with their mother in Montreal, where Victor died in 1888, having resided in Los Angeles from 1881 to 1886, where he had, in company with his brother Prudent, become interested in real estate” (op. cit., p. 375).
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Thanks odinthor and t2. I really appreciate it.




"College Beer Bust at Doyle's Sporting Palace, Los Angeles Calif."




EBAY


In this last photo you can clearly see 'Doyle's Sporting Palace' painted on the fence.


ebay

I think Doyle's Sporting Palace was originally Peter Maier's baseball stadium known as Maier Park.

"In 1909 Peter Maier, a meatpacker, built his first stadium, Maier Park, at 38th and Irving in the city of Vernon." from waterandpower.org

and...

"Doyle's Tavern was butted up to left field at Maier Park and it was rumored that there was a door in the left field wall
where some players would run in to Doyle's for a quick beer between innings. It was also used for letting the crowd in and out of the park."

KISS 'EM GOODBYE

As luck would have it, the photograph shows LEFT FIELD and sure enough... there is a building with a door!
Correction: I am WRONG...we are actually looking toward home plate. (I think) updateI can't tell if the guys on the field are playing baseball or meandering around in a drunken stupor.




but it's still confusing because...Vernon Avenue Arena


link coming

So do you think the baseball stadium was 'Doyle's Sporting Palace' for a short period of time
before Jack Doyle turned it into his boxing venue, 'Vernon Avenue Arena'?

OR...was the baseball stadium on one side of Doyle's Tavern and the boxing arena on the other side.
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If you like, you can see Jack Doyle's Boxing Training Camp Cottage HERE.
IN THIS LINK T2 SAYS DOYLE'S BAR (with the 100 foot bar) was...

t2 "Jack Doyle built the Central Saloon in Vernon (at Santa Fe and Joy) in 1910. It had a 100-foot bar and 37 bartenders." [now I'm confused all over again]

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t2 "Jack Doyle built the Central Saloon in Vernon (at Santa Fe and Joy) in 1910. It had a 100-foot bar and 37 bartenders." [now I'm confused all over again]
The link I included in that post might answer some questions. (As far as I can tell, Doyle built the 7,000-seat indoor arena next to his bar. The baseball stadium was something else entirely... OK, now I'm confused, partly because there's no Joy in Vernon these days, but 38th & Irving and Santa Fe are still there...and also how the heck could 7,000 baseball fans exit through a bar?)

I don't know if the baseball field was next to the bar or that signage is just an advert, as I think the bar might have been renamed "Doyle's Sporting Palace" Notice it says "Before, During or After the Game". Must have been close if you could go for a drink during the game. Santa Fe's just a block away from Irving.

I'm no help at all.

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Thx t2. I agree. It is confusing.

We also have to take in consideration Maiers Park (the baseball 'stadium') was originally located in Vernon,
and from what I've read, the whole kit-and-kaboodle was moved 12 miles west to Venice
...and THEN (due to lack of attendance), the stadium was packed up again and moved back to Vernon!
At that point in time it (baseball stadium) was enlarged.

I'm looking for where I read this and I'll include the link once I find it.
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found it
"Maier dismantled the entire ballpark and re-assembled it in Vernon. Even the grass was cut up and transplanted."

from
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I realize we have talked about the team moving to Venice, but it never occurred to me the entire ballpark was moved with them!

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I saw this on ebay this morning.

"1930 Press Photo Los Angeles Fire Dept. Educational Fire Prevention Campaign."


EBAY

This little shack (intentionally lit on fire no doubt) appears to be somewhat near one of the gas-o-meters downtown.
I'm curious about the flue-like pipe sticking directly out of the ground on the left. What is it?
Oh, and the white suits the two firemen are wearing coming out of the burning shack...read below to find out what they're made out of.


Here's the info:

pretend victim - Miss Mildred Jackson


Below: I believe I found the 1930 film of this event online, but my poor internet connection at my mom's house
will not play or download it correctly. (or at all)

LAFD Company Reponse 1930s

Does it work for anyone else?
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re: Peter Maier, Maier Park, Jack Doyle, Doyle's Bar*, Jack Doyle's Sporting Palace, Vernon Avenue Arena, Doyle's Arena.
*[Doyle's famous bar has also been described as Doyle's Tavern...Doyle's Emporium...and numerous other names]

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See the cottage at Jack Doyle's Boxing Training Camp HERE. (very rare postcards)

I'm elated...I just found a postcard of Doyle's ARENA!

This could easily have been a baseball stadium before being transformed into a boxing venue.


kevin savage postcards

So was this 'Doyle's Sporting Palace'? [shown below]



ebay



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re: Peter Maier, Maier Park, Jack Doyle, Doyle's Bar*, Jack Doyle's Sporting Palace, Vernon Avenue Arena, Doyle's Arena.
*[Doyle's famous bar has also been described as Doyle's Tavern...Doyle's Emporium...and numerous other names]




I'm elated...I just found a postcard of Doyle's ARENA!

This could easily have been a baseball stadium before being transformed into a boxing venue.


kevin savage postcards

So was this 'Doyle's Sporting Palace'? [shown below]



ebay



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e_r, has this been entered into evidence here at NLA yet?


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LAPL has this fight picture.

Crowd scene at Doyle's Arena, as Hayden Phytian defeats Earl Little. In the early part of the 20th Century, the city of Vernon was a sports hot-bed. The Vernon Tigers of the Pacific Coast League played baseball there, while promoter Jack Doyle held the top fights at his outdoor arena. This photograph shows the second incarnation--the indoors arena--that burned down in 1927. Doyle later helped to build the Olympic Auditorium. Photo dated: July 23, 1927.


LAPL

And the man himself.

Portrait of Jack Doyle of Vernon Athletic Club. Photo dated: February 16, 1934.


LAPL
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mil.library.ucsb.edu Flight C_113, Frame 310 - Aug 1st 1927

This aerial is from August 1927 when Maier Park and Jack Doyle's Vernon Arena were out of use. The intersection of 38th St and Santa Fe Ave is upper right. The Arena and tavern were adjacent to this intersection and likely the SW corner to be right by the ballpark - can't make out where precisely though.



Boxing in the Los Angeles Area, 1880-2005


Just over a week before this aerial -

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Per a July 22, 1927, news-wire report: "Jack Doyle's old Vernon arena, scene of many Southern California's boxing matches during the four-round days, was virtually destroyed by fire early this morning. A nearby baseball park where the blaze is believed to have originated, was partially destroyed. The loss was estimated at $100,000."
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