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Old Posted Jun 9, 2015, 8:40 AM
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Here is a current view of Virgil / Virgil / Fountain. As you can see, a few buildings from the earlier views are still among us. The original listing as Sunset and Hollywood is off by just a few blocks.
Thanks Albany, but the locations are not off by a few blocks. It's the same piece of land, now the site of the Vons. It runs from Sunset to DeLongpre and from Lyman Pl to N Virgil Ave:



My mistake was carelessly assuming the photo was looking east when it's actually looking SSE. I did not intend to confuse anyone else. My bad.

Sunset Blvd runs diagonally across the lower left corner of the photo below:
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Great memories Slim.
Vintage change maker. You rarely see these today in 2015.


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Under and behind the lady's left forearm is the farebox for the streetcar.
A more sharp eyed trolley fan than I will tell us what brand
Johnson was a popular type.
Before the world went to hell
One could ride streetcars in Los Angeles
It had not yet occurred to ther ---- to rob buses and streetcars- change cheerfully given
The motorman made change , you deposited the correct amount into the hopper at the top of the machine.
After all the change was in the machine and the folks moved back, the motorman turned on the farebox and it chug chug chugged to spin and
and separate the coins into his change rack , ready for the next stop.

I can't recall what happened to bills and transfers, jump in here WigWag
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2015, 4:12 PM
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Under and behind the lady's left forearm is the farebox for the streetcar.
A more sharp eyed trolley fan than I will tell us what brand
Johnson was a popular type.
Before the world went to hell
One could ride streetcars in Los Angeles
It had not yet occurred to ther ---- to rob buses and streetcars- change cheerfully given
The motorman made change , you deposited the correct amount into the hopper at the top of the machine.
After all the change was in the machine and the folks moved back, the motorman turned on the farebox and it chug chug chugged to spin and
and separate the coins into his change rack , ready for the next stop.

I can't recall what happened to bills and transfers, jump in here WigWag
Old trolley car joke: In the days of dime fares, guy hopes to get a free ride by handing the conductor a twenty dollar bill and saying "Sorry, I don't have a dime."

Conductor replies: "That's OK, in a minute you'll have a hundred ninety nine of them."

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Old Posted Jun 9, 2015, 5:20 PM
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I have seen an image of a "Trolley" car no. "1337" with an "S" on its roof = identified as Third Street crossing La Brea, with a building in the back bearing the name "Majestic." Not certain, but the weather vane topping one round, barrel tiled, structure looks similar to that on top of Trader Joes at Third and La Brea. In an attempt to locate the picture, I am reminded that Majestic was the name of an upholsterer on Wilshire and later La Brea.

One site indicates that that street car may have been part of the Yellow car "R" line http://www.tundria.com/trams/USA/LosAngeles-1941.shtml Aside from the mystery picture mentioned above, are there any pictures of the La Brea-Third St. terminus? Could there have once been a turnabout, or did the cars merely reverse direction? I am also mindful of prior posts describing the nursery on the NE corner of 3rd and La Brea, and open space on the SW corner.

1941 Street Car layout
http://www.tundria.com/trams/USA/LosAngeles-1941.gif




An excerpt from this ~1929 map appears to delineate the "R" line on Third Street.

http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single.../id/4117/rec/2



1935 Street Car Map






http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single.../id/3405/rec/3





Difference between cars and coaches? Focus on Westside "R" Line

http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single.../id/3405/rec/3




1923 - "Official transportation and city map of Los Angeles California and suburbs" Available image is less-than-clear for review here.
http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single.../id/3417/rec/2



Interesting reminder of the facts surrounding the Yellow Car's decline and ultimate demise.
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The system was sold in 1945 by Huntington's estate to National City Lines, a company that was purchasing transit systems across the country. National City Lines, along with its investors that included Firestone Tire, Standard Oil of California (now Chevron Corporation) and General Motors, were later convicted of conspiring to monopolize the sale of buses and related products to local transit companies controlled by National City Lines and other companies in what became known as the General Motors streetcar conspiracy. National City Lines purchased Key System, which operated streetcars systems in Northern California, the following year. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Railway
More on the so-called conspiracy here >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General...car_conspiracy




1925 - "Planned" transit routes included a subway on Third Street!
http://libraryarchives.metro.net/DPG...leuw_urban.jpg




1938 Points of Interest reached by Yellow Cars
http://www.lamag.com/wp-content/uplo...owcarmap_L.jpg

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Old Posted Jun 9, 2015, 5:34 PM
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A seldom-mentioned factor was the demand for high-quality steel scrap during and after the Korean War, which also accelerated the demise of many steam locomotives.

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Old Posted Jun 9, 2015, 9:55 PM
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An excerpt from this ~1929 map appears to delineate the "R" line on Third Street.

http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single.../id/4117/rec/2
Wow, "Country Club Drive" instead of "Olympic Boulevard"! Cool!
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'mystery' location.

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Can anyone figure out where this was taken? (I especially like the building in the distance at the end of the street)

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We're looking south on New Hampshire Ave. from Monroe St. What was then the southern border of the LACC campus is behind the photographer. The building that ER fancies was and is at 4247 Melrose Ave.
Here is what that building looks like now on Google Maps Street View: https://goo.gl/maps/bFL2T The building now houses "CrossFit City of Angels" work-out gym. The windows on the second story are the same size as in the photo from the early '50s -- not too surprising since the building is brick construction.

According to Google Maps Help, "From within Google Maps, you can't share: a screenshot or image of the map itself". Does anyone know how to get around that limitation so that the image can be shown without having to click on the link? Right clicking on a Google Map street view does not bring up a menu, which is not the case with a JPG image.
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Old Posted Jun 10, 2015, 12:57 AM
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Originally posted by tovangar2: "My mistake was carelessly assuming the photo was looking east when it's actually looking SSE. I did not intend to confuse anyone else. My bad."

Not at all tovangar2....it was MY bad. I see now how close the two areas are. I initially thought I had found an historical mislabeling of location. To quote Mortimer Snerd, "When I set my mind to doing something....it just sets there!"
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This seems like the approriate time to quote Colombian politician Enrique Peñalosa:

"An advanced city is not a place where the poor move about in cars, rather it’s where even the rich use public transportation".
Well quoted, Hoss. If only more people in L.A. thought that way.

I'll add the people in SF seem to be very polite riders as well. A few years ago, we were on a bus that was becoming increasingly crowded at each stop. An immaculately cross-dressed man (he could put Caitlyn Jenner to shame) was sitting in a seat when an older woman boarded. He was the first gentleman to give up his seat (in my defense I was already standing).
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This may aid in finding the exact location...

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GSV


That Vogue "shadowbox" billboard was at the southwest corner of Wilshire and Stanley....

Screen grab from 1959 City of Fear
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0Q3Da3svHi...+at+Curson.png




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Old Posted Jun 10, 2015, 3:44 AM
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Under and behind the lady's left forearm is the farebox for the streetcar.
A more sharp eyed trolley fan than I will tell us what brand
Johnson was a popular type.
Before the world went to hell
One could ride streetcars in Los Angeles
It had not yet occurred to ther ---- to rob buses and streetcars- change cheerfully given
The motorman made change , you deposited the correct amount into the hopper at the top of the machine.
After all the change was in the machine and the folks moved back, the motorman turned on the farebox and it chug chug chugged to spin and
and separate the coins into his change rack , ready for the next stop.

I can't recall what happened to bills and transfers, jump in here WigWag
As Ed Workman has noted, coins dropped into the farebox were mechanically separated. Early Johnson fareboxes were mechanically operated by the conductor or motorman using a crank handle a handle on the side of the farebox. The later electric models retained this feature, presumably as a back-up to the electric motor. As a kid, being of weak mind I was easily amused by the rotation of the coin seperator and could often spend the whole ride watching it endlessly rotate.

While I don't recall the exact nature of the motorman/conductor boxes used by LARY/LATL crews, I remember the PE boxes very well. They were, painted black and were 5 inches deep, 9 inches wide and 12 inches long. The lid was attached with a piano style hinge and stamped with the initials P.E.R.Y. There was a metal handle on the long side giving the appearance of a lunchbox. A hasp style latch allowed for locking the box. The reason for this vivid memory is that I have one - sort of.

This box contained Paper money, changer, pads of transfers, ticket/transfer punch, paid fare tickets (punched and inserted between the seat cushion and a metal bracket on the seatback), public timetables, employee timetables, the Pacific Electric book of rules and anything else the trainman deemed necessary to conducting his duties. It was also where paper money acquired during the run and used transfers were stored. Two of these boxes, painted red, were also mounted on the inside of the car at each end and contained flares and torpedos for emergencies. This is the box I have.

As I recall both PE and LARY/LATL operated in much the same manner, with the conductor/operator making change for paper money and deposit of the days transfers in their run boxes. Feel free to correct me on this.

For more on Johnson Fareboxes see: http://www.johnsonfarebox.com/

Cheers,
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re: dangerous waiting areas for PE and LARy passengers.

originally posted by CityBoyDoug








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Couldn't they have at least added a thick concrete barrier?
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Look carefully at the curb >> another clearly marked "safety zone"


1939 - Vermont and Third Street. Artie Shaw
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00104/00104345.jpg



1947 - Washington and Pico-Union. "Safety First?"
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00104/00104414.jpg
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"When I set my mind to doing something....it just sets there!"
LOL, this part of town was not made for people like me who cannot tell right from left let alone E from SSE. And they remade it so we now have two Virgil/Sunset intersections. It was bad enough before:

1921 Baist Map historic mapworks

Why does Hollywood Blvd turn into Sunset Blvd and Sunset Blvd turn into Sunset Drive and Hillhurst turn into Virgil which then intersects with another Virgil?

A six-way intersection and half of them are Sunset? And the other three don't go through with their names intact?

You can't get there from here.

I don't blame Majestic-Reliance/Fine Arts/Gooden/Tiffany-Stahl/Tiffany/California Tiffany/Talisman/Columbia Studios for burning to the ground. It was probably spontaneous combustion.


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This seems like the approriate time to quote Colombian politician Enrique Peñalosa:

"An advanced city is not a place where the poor move about in cars, rather it’s where even the rich use public transportation".

Hear, hear.

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Can anyone figure out where this was taken? (I especially like the building in the distance at the end of the street)
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We're looking south on New Hampshire Ave. from Monroe St. What was then the southern border of the LACC campus is behind the photographer. The building that ER fancies was and is at 4247 Melrose Ave.
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Here is what that building looks like now on Google Maps Street View: https://goo.gl/maps/bFL2T The building now houses "CrossFit City of Angels" work-out gym. The windows on the second story are the same size as in the photo from the early '50s -- not too surprising since the building is brick construction.
Here's the CrossFit building from the link, although I've zoomed in one step closer.


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According to Google Maps Help, "From within Google Maps, you can't share: a screenshot or image of the map itself". Does anyone know how to get around that limitation so that the image can be shown without having to click on the link? Right clicking on a Google Map street view does not bring up a menu, which is not the case with a JPG image.
It's very simple: you do a screengrab of the image (works for anything you see on screen e.g. GSV, City Directories, digital library images etc.), save it, and then use an image hosting service to post it.

NB. These instructions apply to Windows.
  1. There are many ways to get a screengrab. I used to use Microsoft OneNote, but since changing computers, I just use the PrtSc button and crop my images. There are many third-party tools that give extra functionality.
  2. You don't need a fancy image editor to paste your images into and save them. You can just about get by with MS Paint, but free alternatives like Paint.NET offer many of the useful features of expensive editors for no outlay.
  3. Pick an image host. I posted links to three popular sites a week ago, but here's a reminder: Photobucket, ImageShack and Flickr. More are available. These sites are generally free to begin with, but will probably charge a small fee to get extra storage or to pay for extra bandwidth if you post a large number of images.

I'm not claiming to be an expert, but feel free to PM me for further details. I'll help if I can .
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June 10, 2009 - June 10, 2015 : a six years PERSONAL recollection

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The culmination of my little project, this wonderful night time view, which I won't compromise with graphics or text


Thanks again to all who helped!
I like from time to time to look back at how well we've accomplished. But it is impossible to re-read NLA how much there is on the one hand and on the other while it continues forwards. Overwhelming too for a new-comer to catch up starting from the first page! I couldn't quite believe a latest new-comer who said he did... « I'm still working my way through. This might take forever. », says Matt Maxwell (#28885). Nevertheless I have tried to bring back from that enormous connective noirish stuff 2 things :

1) an overhanging view on the contributors ;

2) which posts I always remember in that enormous amount ?

Here are my personal answers. I hope I've forgotten no one (do not hesitate to add them) and I urge those who have a good memory (even Bruce who often deplores he doesn't have one) to let us know their memorable posts. It will make a perfect shortcut to revisit the thread at its best and... help Matt Maxwell getting quickly out of his way through.

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« Criss Cross » by Beaudry
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p. 69 #1361, #1362, #1369, #1370, #1371

Rosslyn Hotel tunnel by David (3940dxer)
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Alexandria Hotel by Horthos
p. 417 #8333, #8337

Betty Katz by MichaelRyerson
p. 491 #9805

Inaugural photo : Then and Now by David (3940dxer)
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Bernice's Beauty Salon.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/BERNICES-BEA...item2ee25ed509

Street number 4932 , but what street?

Fanny Bjornsen

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Here I am again, populating your buildings with people... Fanny Bjornsen was Fanny Lind Bjornsen, born in 1888 in Denmark. She appears in the 1930 Census with her husband Nicolai living in La Porte, Indiana. By 1936 she is living at 3040 Chadwick Drive in Los Angeles. That is an interesting small stucco house with a sort of crenellated tower in the front. She is listed as a housewife. Nicolai died in 1936. Fanny probably went to work in the beauty shop when she was widowed. She had two sons to support. She later owned her own beauty shop, but I do not find where it was located. A 1940 directory shows that she lived at 5105 Templeton Street in LA. She died in Santa Barbara county in 1979. A 1972 directory show her living in Solvang.
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thx for the background information oldstuff.

Nicolai and Fanny's former home on Chadwick Drive with it's mini Robin Hood 'tower'.


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Here's my version of 4247 Melrose Avenue.


gsv



A nice view of the back.



There's a building next door (to the east) that is probably part of the Crossfit 'complex'. It features the same yellow diagonal stripes
that appear on the main building.


gsv

This building still has an interesting 1950s (40?) bar facade, with the curved glass blocks on either side of the entrance.
Does anyone know if this was, in fact, a former bar?

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Wow, six years and counting for 'Noirish Los Angeles'!

I didn't realize it until AlvaroLegido posted his informative list of contributors.

Congratulations everyone!

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1920 - Looking east on Wilshire Blvd. from La Brea
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00104/00104257.jpg





1937 - Looking north on La Brea from Washington Blvd.
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics46/00057651.jpg





1923 - Chaplin Studios and its Western neighbors.
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics08/00013591.jpg
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Esther Williams fetish?



December 15, 1953

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...dark-past.html

"This man deliberately prolonged the death process by creating an elaborate system of cords, candles and weights. A detective is measuring a cord stretched taut, from the body to a point near the living room couch, while patrol cops and another detective are viewing the body, dressed in a woman's swimsuit."

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