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I guess it's news, but I almost wish Adelman wouldn't cover crap like this. I mean his renderings look like screen-grabs from an early 2000's version of Sim City. Perhaps if you stop covering these proposals from the jump and lending credence to them, these 2nd rate flippers wouldn't even try to begin with.
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Are any of us really surprised?
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The team behind this project is motivated. Sorry can't give a source. But very motivated.
Any updates that you can share?
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^You can tell this isn't a serious proposal based on how little they spent on the renderings.
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We'll see! Fingers crossed. Maybe the Delaware Waterfront is finally turning the corner?
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We'll see! Fingers crossed. Maybe the Delaware Waterfront is finally turning the corner?
Come on. Literally all evidence is to the contrary on this.
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Come on. Literally all evidence is to the contrary on this.
I think this project is likely to happen in some form or another: https://philly.curbed.com/2019/3/26/...townhomes-2019
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2019, 2:48 AM
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^You can tell this isn't a serious proposal based on how little they spent on the renderings.
I've said before that I don't take too much stock into the quality of renderings. Sometimes really cheap looking renderings are built and there are often very high quality renderings that never even get close to becoming reality.

This might be an exception though. These are exceptionally shitty renderings.
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2019, 4:28 AM
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I've said before that I don't take too much stock into the quality of renderings. Sometimes really cheap looking renderings are built and there are often very high quality renderings that never even get close to becoming reality.

This might be an exception though. These are exceptionally shitty renderings.
please give examples of cheap looking renderings being built, and have they ever turned out to be better then the drawings. I certainly agree that high quality drawings do not ensure a project being built----if it were only that easy.

This is a I'll believe it when I see it under construction type of project, but it's great to see something other then tacky townhouses being proposed.
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I will admit that the renderings look like a shot from a Miami Vice video game.
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In no way defending the architects behind 1919 Market Street, but these are literally the same exact building!
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I'm a big fan of the plan for this site, always thought the Delaware should be lined with high rises. This is preferable over townhomes in my opinion, need real density to support retail.
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I'm a big fan of the plan for this site, always thought the Delaware should be lined with high rises. This is preferable over townhomes in my opinion, need real density to support retail.
I like it too!

Why so much disdain for this?
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I like it too!

Why so much disdain for this?
The disdain is that this is a massive project in an unproven area, making it seem unlikely to get built as shown. We haven't even seen a developer a build low-rise, wood-frame apartment building along the southern end of the Delaware, which should theoretically be easier to pencil. You figure if someone hasn't been able to make that work yet, it would be even more difficult to make high-rise construction work - yet alone 8 towers. I'm sure most of us would love to be wrong, but this just doesn't seem realistic at all. I have a hard time believing a project like this could get financing. There are no comps in the area to base your rents on. Who is going to lend $100m to build a project with no evidence to support the rents that the developer would need to get to make this make money? I suppose they could do condos (or both), but there’s no condo comps either. And look how Waterfront Square turned out, in a much better location.
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The disdain is that this is a massive project in an unproven area, making it seem unlikely to get built as shown. We haven't even seen a developer a build low-rise, wood-frame apartment building along the southern end of the Delaware, which should theoretically be easier to pencil. You figure if someone hasn't been able to make that work yet, it would be even more difficult to make high-rise construction work - yet alone 8 towers. I'm sure most of us would love to be wrong, but this just doesn't seem realistic at all. I have a hard time believing a project like this could get financing. There are no comps in the area to base your rents on. Who is going to lend $100m to build a project with no evidence to support the rents that the developer would need to get to make this make money? I suppose they could do condos (or both), but there’s no condo comps either. And look how Waterfront Square turned out, in a much better location.
I think waterfront square was somewhat successful until they built the 3rd tower right as the economy turned.
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2019, 5:00 PM
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Proposal for high-rise complex on South Philly’s Delaware River waterfront is back

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Has this developer build anything yet? I feel experience in the entire process and having relationships with investment banks, investors, or other lenders help get these projects off the ground. If any of these pieces are missing, I have my doubts.
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2019, 5:18 PM
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From that website^^

Potential future condo tower 1:


Potential future condo tower 2:


Potential future senior living tower:


Potential future hotel:
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