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Old Posted Aug 18, 2019, 9:39 PM
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Exactly.

The only thing that the sunbelt is winning is people.

Quality over quantity. I will take the increasingly vibrant built environment of our big urban centers any day of the week over that stuff
How impressive for you. Most humans have to deal with the cold hard reality of cost and opportunity. Concerning yourself with the vibrancy of your local built environment is an intellectual luxury far beyond what your typical average person has the time to consider.
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2019, 9:42 PM
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Bless your heart.
No no no, the stagnant growth of former Northeastern industrial cities is a GOOD thing, the denizens in this forum will discuss it to death following my comment.
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2019, 10:16 PM
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No no no, the stagnant growth of former Northeastern industrial cities is a GOOD thing, the denizens in this forum will discuss it to death following my comment.
I am actually struggle with the issues as I contemplate where I want to retire in 1-2 years. Thought of Pittsburgh, but it seems to be dying for all its amenities; thought of Chicago but concerned if taxes won't get worse although I love the walkability; now visiting Orlando, which is freeways and sprawl, which I don't think I want; considering Ft Lauderdale as well. Maybe I need to consider a place that Seattle or Denver, vibrant city cores that are still growing...don't know if I would like the winters though. Where I am at, DC, is very congested and super expensive, for all its great attributes (culture, walkability in DC proper and close in cities like Alexandria, and it is politics and politics, which I am certainly sick of....decisions, decisions...
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I am actually struggle with the issues as I contemplate where I want to retire in 1-2 years. Thought of Pittsburgh, but it seems to be dying for all its amenities; thought of Chicago but concerned if taxes won't get worse although I love the walkability; now visiting Orlando, which is freeways and sprawl, which I don't think I want; considering Ft Lauderdale as well. Maybe I need to consider a place that Seattle or Denver, vibrant city cores that are still growing...don't know if I would like the winters though. Where I am at, DC, is very congested and super expensive, for all its great attributes (culture, walkability in DC proper and close in cities like Alexandria, and it is politics and politics, which I am certainly sick of....decisions, decisions...
My favorite place in Florida (by a wide margin) is Key West. But hurricanes and flooding seem like not something that would be fun to deal with.
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Old Posted Aug 19, 2019, 3:52 PM
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My favorite place in Florida (by a wide margin) is Key West. But hurricanes and flooding seem like not something that would be fun to deal with.
Besides weather(SOOOO humid), the cost of living in Key West is astronomical for Florida.
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I am actually struggle with the issues as I contemplate where I want to retire in 1-2 years. Thought of Pittsburgh, but it seems to be dying for all its amenities; thought of Chicago but concerned if taxes won't get worse although I love the walkability; now visiting Orlando, which is freeways and sprawl, which I don't think I want; considering Ft Lauderdale as well. Maybe I need to consider a place that Seattle or Denver, vibrant city cores that are still growing...don't know if I would like the winters though. Where I am at, DC, is very congested and super expensive, for all its great attributes (culture, walkability in DC proper and close in cities like Alexandria, and it is politics and politics, which I am certainly sick of....decisions, decisions...
Pittsburgh/Chicago and not Philly? Philly is growing, dense, walkable, affordable, with cultural institutions arguably second only to DC/NYC.
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with cultural institutions arguably second only to DC/NYC.
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Old Posted Aug 19, 2019, 11:03 PM
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I dont understand this measurement. Instead of simply posting job growth they are posting the percent that each metro area has grown as a percentage of all jobs in the country?!? That's very odd.

Well for those of us that just want job growth numbers:

At last official count, there are 53 Metro Areas(MSAs) with populations of 1 million or greater.

Here is a look at the growth in non-farm jobs in those metro areas from Feb 2010-Feb 2019(latest month available)

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FEB 2010-FEB 2019 Percent Growth/Metro Area/Numerical Job Growth
+39.82% Austin +306,600
+37.48% Nashville +279,200
+35.34% Orlando +347,200
+32.13% San Jose +276,000
+31.76% Riverside +363,000
+29.60% Dallas +852,200
+29.38% Charlotte +275,200
+29.37% San Francisco +559,200
+29.36% Raleigh +142,800
+28.28% Grand Rapids +124,800

+28.19% Denver +329,200
+27.78% Salt Lake City +160,000
+27.71% Phoenix +468,500
+27.32% Las Vegas +218,000
+26.30% San Antonio +221,700
+25.23% Atlanta +565,900
+24.89% Seattle +407,900
+24.77% Tampa +271,200
+24.51% Portland +236,600
+24.32% Miami +532,600

+24.08% Jacksonville +137,600
+23.47% Houston +593,100
+22.40% Sacramento +185,300
+22.05% San Diego +268,800
+21.53% Columbus +194,500
+19.35% Indianapolis +172,000
+18.89% Louisville +105,400
+18.67% Detroit +316,800
+17.59% Los Angeles +923,100
+16.78% Richmond +96,200

+16.76% Oklahoma City +93,200
+16.18% New York +1,362,500
+15.79% Minneapolis +268,900
+15.04% Kansas City +141,700
+14.89% Cincinnati +143,400
+14.76% Boston +352,400
+13.81% Baltimore +181,000
+13.68% Washington DC +503,700
+13.71% Chicago +451,800
+10.92% Memphis +64,200

+10.81% Philadelphia +285,200
+10.27% Providence +53,500
+9.76% Birmingham +48,000
+9.72% Milwaukee +76,500
+9.47% New Orleans +50,400
+9.02% St Louis +114,000
+9.29% Cleveland +90,000
+8.99% Tucson +31,900
+8.47% Virginia Beach +61,100
+7.27% Pittsburgh +85,300

+7.21% Rochester +36,600
+6.48% Hartford +34,900
+6.12% Buffalo +32,400
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Old Posted Aug 20, 2019, 1:20 AM
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I dont understand this measurement. Instead of simply posting job growth they are posting the percent that each metro area has grown as a percentage of all jobs in the country?!? That's very odd.
I don't understand what's so hard to understand about it. It's showing the cities that improved the most relative to their share of jobs 10 years ago.
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Old Posted Aug 20, 2019, 2:35 AM
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Besides weather(SOOOO humid), the cost of living in Key West is astronomical for Florida.
Everywhere in Florida is too humid! I would have thought that the cost of living in Cape Canaveral would be the most astronomical...
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Everywhere in Florida is too humid! I would have thought that the cost of living in Cape Canaveral would be the most astronomical...
I didn't word that right lol I didn't mean to separate it from the rest of Florida based on humidity, just price.
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Old Posted Aug 20, 2019, 5:28 AM
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Everywhere in Florida is too humid! I would have thought that the cost of living in Cape Canaveral would be the most astronomical...
Why would the cost of living in Cape Canaveral be astronomical?
My sister lives in nearby Titusville and about the only thing that seems to be cheaper is the cost of housing compared to Orlando and other urban areas in Florida.
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Why would the cost of living in Cape Canaveral be astronomical?
My sister lives in nearby Titusville and about the only thing that seems to be cheaper is the cost of housing compared to Orlando and other urban areas in Florida.

pretty sure he was kidding. "astro"nomical, space travel, etc.
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pretty sure he was kidding. "astro"nomical, space travel, etc.
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Old Posted Aug 21, 2019, 10:39 PM
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I dont understand this measurement. Instead of simply posting job growth they are posting the percent that each metro area has grown as a percentage of all jobs in the country?!? That's very odd.

Well for those of us that just want job growth numbers:

At last official count, there are 53 Metro Areas(MSAs) with populations of 1 million or greater.

Here is a look at the growth in non-farm jobs in those metro areas from Feb 2010-Feb 2019(latest month available)

Data from bls.gov

FEB 2010-FEB 2019 Percent Growth/Metro Area/Numerical Job Growth
+39.82% Austin +306,600
+37.48% Nashville +279,200
+35.34% Orlando +347,200
+32.13% San Jose +276,000
+31.76% Riverside +363,000
+29.60% Dallas +852,200
+29.38% Charlotte +275,200
+29.37% San Francisco +559,200
+29.36% Raleigh +142,800
+28.28% Grand Rapids +124,800

+28.19% Denver +329,200
+27.78% Salt Lake City +160,000
+27.71% Phoenix +468,500
+27.32% Las Vegas +218,000
+26.30% San Antonio +221,700
+25.23% Atlanta +565,900
+24.89% Seattle +407,900
+24.77% Tampa +271,200
+24.51% Portland +236,600
+24.32% Miami +532,600

+24.08% Jacksonville +137,600
+23.47% Houston +593,100
+22.40% Sacramento +185,300
+22.05% San Diego +268,800
+21.53% Columbus +194,500
+19.35% Indianapolis +172,000
+18.89% Louisville +105,400
+18.67% Detroit +316,800
+17.59% Los Angeles +923,100
+16.78% Richmond +96,200

+16.76% Oklahoma City +93,200
+16.18% New York +1,362,500
+15.79% Minneapolis +268,900
+15.04% Kansas City +141,700
+14.89% Cincinnati +143,400
+14.76% Boston +352,400
+13.81% Baltimore +181,000
+13.68% Washington DC +503,700
+13.71% Chicago +451,800
+10.92% Memphis +64,200

+10.81% Philadelphia +285,200
+10.27% Providence +53,500
+9.76% Birmingham +48,000
+9.72% Milwaukee +76,500
+9.47% New Orleans +50,400
+9.02% St Louis +114,000
+9.29% Cleveland +90,000
+8.99% Tucson +31,900
+8.47% Virginia Beach +61,100
+7.27% Pittsburgh +85,300

+7.21% Rochester +36,600
+6.48% Hartford +34,900
+6.12% Buffalo +32,400
Surprising figures for some of the laggards - Tucson growing as slow as upstate NY and even slower than Birmingham. DC metro slower growth than Detroit and as slow as Chicago (you would never guess this from the housing price increases compared to those cities!)
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Old Posted Aug 21, 2019, 11:54 PM
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Surprising figures for some of the laggards - Tucson growing as slow as upstate NY and even slower than Birmingham. DC metro slower growth than Detroit and as slow as Chicago (you would never guess this from the housing price increases compared to those cities!)
Southern Arizona is totally out of step with the rest of Arizona In almost every conceivable way. Even though Phoenix and Tucson are only 100 miles apart they might as well be on other sides of the country.

There is even an ongoing rift and movement for southern Arizona to become its own state which would be economic suicide

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There is even an ongoing rift and movement for southern Arizona to become its own state which would be economic suicide
New New Mexico.
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Old Posted Aug 22, 2019, 2:32 PM
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New New Mexico.
Even Worse, BAJA Arizona.

Under/Beneath Arizona? Really? Poor Gadsden, Why'd he even waste his time and effort to buy the place? It would be, most likely, the absolute poorest state in the union, Mississippi would finally lose its dubious ranking as worst in everything.

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My favorite place in Florida (by a wide margin) is Key West. But hurricanes and flooding seem like not something that would be fun to deal with.
I went to Key West for a few weeks a couple of months ago. Fun place with roosters everywhere but the beaches had seaweed all over. I thought it would be clear white sand beaches. The beaches in South Beach are much better.
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