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Old Posted Aug 19, 2019, 6:50 PM
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Idk, Chicago and Toronto to me are essentially twins. They seem incredibly similar.
I agree wholeheartedly.
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Old Posted Aug 19, 2019, 6:54 PM
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This is a typical urban commercial corridor in Toronto's favored quarter:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Yo...!4d-79.3983225

This is a typical urban commercial corridor in Chicago's favored quarter:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/W+...!4d-87.6587002

Do they strike you as "incredibly similar"? Is there anyplace in Chicago that looks like the Toronto streetscape? Is there anyplace in Toronto that looks like the Chicago streetscape? Nope.
Once again (as per usual), going to great lengths to select street view images that vaguely align with your super subjective narrative.

I've seen PLENTY of areas of Chicago that look almost identical to the street view of Toronto you posted, yet you selected the grittiest, oldest-looking area of Chicago's "favored" district.
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Old Posted Aug 19, 2019, 6:56 PM
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That's not a typical corridor for Toronto's favored quarter, come on. Maybe it's main corridor, but typical? No.
Exactly.
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Old Posted Aug 19, 2019, 6:57 PM
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To me, the "Oakland" of the tri-state area is pretty obviously Jersey City. Both cities are overshadowed by their neighbors. Both cities are incredibly diverse, with about equal numbers of blacks, whites, Latinos, and Asians. And both cities have an increasingly trendy downtown area which is seeing a lot of new investment.
I can see that too, and it makes more sense today since they are orientated in a similar fashion on the mainland compared to the major city on the coast. All of the Jersey side could be considered the East Bay's analog.
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Old Posted Aug 19, 2019, 7:00 PM
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This.

Also add Chattanooga as a little brother to those two.

Aaron (Glowrock)
Yeah, all those river valley cities.
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Old Posted Aug 19, 2019, 7:02 PM
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Chicago and Toronto are not similar in the least, although I can understand why, superficially, people would think so.

Look, I get it. Chicago residents would much prefer the world sees Chicago as comparable to NYC than the world sees Chicago comparable to Toronto, but facts are facts, and if we were to base the comparison purely on skyscraper numbers alone (which, to be clear, I am not, as I see far more aesthetic similarities beyond that), the only reasonable comparison is Chicago/Toronto.

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NYC - 1,356
Chicago - 520
Toronto - 374
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Old Posted Aug 19, 2019, 7:05 PM
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Once again (as per usual), going to great lengths to select street view images that vaguely align with your super subjective narrative.

I've seen PLENTY of areas of Chicago that look almost identical to the street view of Toronto you posted, yet you selected the grittiest, oldest-looking area of Chicago's "favored" district.
Well then, please correct me.

Since there are PLENTY of neighborhood commercial corridors in Chicago's favored quarter that look "almost identical" to Yonge, it should be quite easy to post a few.

Also, LOL at Lincoln Park/Lakeview looking "gritty". Those mean streets are tougher than leather.
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Look, I get it. Chicago residents would much prefer the world sees Chicago as comparable to NYC than the world sees Chicago comparable to Toronto
uh no, that's not it at all. many people in chicago have a massive chip on their broad shoulder regarding NYC, and abhor any comparisons made between chicago and the big apple.

if you're making it a three-way race, then chicago and toronto are certainly much more similar to each other than either is to NYC, but that still doesn't make chicago and toronto "essentially twins".

anyone who has ever spent a significant amount of time in both cities would know that.

if chicago has a" twin" out there, it's milwaukee, but the size difference is so massive that it's a little bit like that movie with danny devito and arnold schwarzenegger.
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Once again (as per usual), going to great lengths to select street view images that vaguely align with your super subjective narrative.

I've seen PLENTY of areas of Chicago that look almost identical to the street view of Toronto you posted, yet you selected the grittiest, oldest-looking area of Chicago's "favored" district.
People love to cherry pick from Google maps to fit their narratives, with any city. It's very easy to do.
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Old Posted Aug 19, 2019, 7:12 PM
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I don't know, but you can easily see Younge is not TYPICAL for that part of Toronto by just looking at an aerial. It's just a taller, more dense Wilshire Blvd.
Read my previous post. No one said that Yonge is a typical Toronto street. And, you're right, it's quite similar to Wilshire, which is the point.

Yonge obviously isn't a typical Toronto street, but it's the archetypal main commercial street through the favored quarter. It runs right through the wealthiest areas in Toronto (and maybe Canada?).

If you look at Bloor, or Queen West, you'll see the same differences (generally narrower streets, newer buildings, lots of concrete and glass, a bit shabby/messy). What neighborhood Chicago street looks like Bloor or Queen West?

And if you compare residential streets, you'll see distinct typologies. Chicago has grander, wider blocks, far more historic streetscapes, Toronto has tons of much more modest semi-row blocks that kinda look UK-ish, and the rich streetcar suburbs start immediately north of downtown. It's like if you could stroll from Wilmette to North Michigan Ave.
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Old Posted Aug 19, 2019, 7:13 PM
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uh no, that's not it at all. many people in chicago have a massive chip on their broad shoulder regarding NYC, and abhor any comparisons made between chicago and the big apple.
I don’t think this is true in 2019. Maybe 1969?

Chicago overall looks/feels more modern than NYC, but less than Toronto. It’s a nice middle ground.
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uh no, that's not it at all. many people in chicago have a massive chip on their broad shoulder regarding NYC, and abhor any comparisons made between chicago and the big apple.

if you're making it a three-way race, then chicago and toronto are certainly much more similar to each other than either is to NYC, but that still doesn't make chicago and toronto "essentially twins".

anyone who has ever spent a significant amount of time in both cities would know that.
Exactly, of course JAYNYC has shown around here before that he has a huge hate-boner for Chicago, so he naturally has to draw these idiotic conclusions.

My recent trip 2 weeks ago to Toronto confirmed to me that it is far from Chicago's "Great Lakes twin", and thinking about NYC had nothing to do with it. They both have a lot of skyscrapers and are on a huge freshwater lake, but largely the similarities of their built environment and the people who live in these cities end there
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Old Posted Aug 19, 2019, 7:19 PM
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Chicago and Toronto might share some high-level, lake city elements, but Montreal seems more like Chicago on the street level to me.

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5232...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5218...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4763...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4783...!7i3328!8i1664

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5156...7i16384!8i8192

Montreal has a tighter scale and narrower streets, and Chicago has that midwestern gigantism, but I've always seen a similarity in scale and typology there.
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Old Posted Aug 19, 2019, 7:20 PM
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"What two cities do you find most similar in nearly every respect?"

For me, none.

There are also those intangibles that cities have (character, vibe, attitude/outlook of the people, culture) and also scenery and available cuisine, that I also compare, and so far, I have found none of the big cities I've been to that I can say are most similar in nearly every aspect. But that's just me of course.
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Old Posted Aug 19, 2019, 7:28 PM
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For residential, Toronto's inner-city has a lot of sorta British-looking modest homes, now obviously gentrified, and often random garden apartments. Messy and vibrant:

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.6484...7i16384!8i8192

Chicago's residential inner city looks much more prosperous, substantial and orderly:

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9364...7i16384!8i8192
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I think the Yonge Street example is actually quite apt since it highlights a great difference between the two cities.

Yonge and Eglinton is one of many secondary high-rise clusters in Toronto, a feature that you don't really see in Chicago due to underlying differences between how the cities grew and developed. Chicago is one of the most centralized cities in terms of high-rise location. Tall buildings are tightly grouped within the core, and finding 20+ stories outside of that area is a rarity. This lends itself to having the massive, diverse skyline the city does.

Toronto is possibly the most de-centralized city in Canada/U.S. in this regards. If you could move all of Toronto's suburban commie blocks and new glass towers together in the core it would probably look more like Sao Paulo or some tertiary Chinese city than anything in the States. There isn't really an analogous location in Chicago for St. Clair, Yonge & Eglinton, North York, Downtown Mississauga, Scarborough City Centre, etc. American cities have never really adopted the suburban high-rise living that the largest immigrant groups to Canada are quite familiar with.
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Old Posted Aug 19, 2019, 7:30 PM
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I mean sure, but you certainly couldn't have picked a less representative stretch of Yonge Street itself.

Toronto also doesn't really have "favourted quarters" in the way American cities do. Something like this is a bit more typical of retail corridors in Toronto (emphasis on the word retail, not the frontages of a bunch of office towers in a peripheral business district): https://goo.gl/maps/fHwqdWn5oKsouRQr7
I wouldn't call the section he chose a "typical" commercial corridor in Chicago's "favored quarter" either... who's doing the favoring?

And look at this popular retail corridor in Chicago:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9100...7i16384!8i8192

And the one you posted: https://goo.gl/maps/fHwqdWn5oKsouRQr7

pretty similar to me!
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Old Posted Aug 19, 2019, 7:31 PM
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i don’t think this is true in 2019. Maybe 1969?

Chicago overall looks/feels more modern than nyc
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Old Posted Aug 19, 2019, 7:34 PM
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This is not intended to be a city vs. city, but rather a discussion of finding pairs of cities that share a ton in common such as:

- Layout
- Architecturally
- Climatically
- Aesthetically
- Population size
Atlanta exhibits certain similarities to both Dallas and Houston.
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I wouldn't call the section he chose a "typical" commercial corridor in Chicago's "favored quarter" either... who's doing the favoring?

And look at this popular retail corridor in Chicago:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9100...7i16384!8i8192

And the one you posted: https://goo.gl/maps/fHwqdWn5oKsouRQr7

pretty similar to me!
They look quite different, obviously. Bloor looks very different from N. Milwaukee. And you're aren't comparing apples-apples, you're comparing the hipster center of Chicago with an immigrant neighborhood in Toronto.
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