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Not quite true. #15, AMLI Fountain Place, is under construction (maybe close to T/O?), but more importantly, #18, Museum Tower, was built in 2012. However, every other building in the top 25 was built over 30 years ago.
Just seeing your comment (after commenting the same).

And AFP did, in fact, top out last month. https://www.dallasnews.com/business/...-point-skyline
     
     
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I know there are stale proposals in Dallas for supertall towers, and I don't think anything is stopping them from happening aside from simple economics. (unlike some FAA crunched cities, like mine)

This might actually be an issue as the approach to Love Field (not DFW) flies directly over downtown (and uptown) Dallas.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 21, 2019, 9:30 PM
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Dallas has had a ton of midrise construction in the uptown area. It’s really stretched the skyline but relatively short stuff.
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You need a certain kind of major tenant for really tall office buildings built in second tier cities, and those tenants are in short supply. Downtown Dallas suffered an exodus of large local bank HQs and several large energy related companies by the end of the 1990s. Demand for office space in downtown Dallas has only revived in recent years, and new major corporate HQ's like ATT tend to run lean and mean. Tall office buildings usually aren't built on spec unless there is a lot of demand. The number of 15 to 20 story buildings that have shot up in Uptown/Midtown Dallas is quite impressive, but it does not have the same visual impact as a cluster of really tall buildings.

Here in Austin most of the tall buildings over 400 feet built in the past decade or so have been residential or hotels, including two condo towers over 650 feet tall. Office construction is just now getting off the ground with two 500' plus buildings underway. All the other new office construction in Austin in the past decade has been in buildings in the 250 to 400 foot range.

The Texas city with the most dated skyline is probably Fort Worth (or arguably San Antonio). Most of the tall FW buildings were built in the late 70s and early 80s during the banking/energy boom of that era. Most new construction has been in buildings of 20 floors or less. Fort Worth has done a nice job restoring and re purposing pre WW2 high rise buildings, but most are not especially tall.

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You need a certain kind of major tenant for really tall office building built in second tier cities, and those tenants are in short supply.
The most glaring example that comes to mind is Devon (OKC). I doubt that city will gain another similar tower in the next 30 years, if ever.
     
     
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Dallas has had a ton of midrise construction in the uptown area. It’s really stretched the skyline but relatively short stuff.
This is true. Decent infill, virtually no visible impact on the skyline (due to the fact that most of its tallest were built in the 80s as been repeated here several times).
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 21, 2019, 9:58 PM
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The Texas city with the most dated skyline is probably Fort Worth.
Perhaps, but I've gotta think Houston, Dallas and San Antonio (the latter of which has never been impressive, but has had a couple small additions in the last 10 years) aren't too far behind.
     
     
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thanks for the correction. i didn't have "U/C" clicked on in the diagram i was looking at, and i don't know how i missed museum tower being completed in 2012 (oops).

in any event, that makes 18 of dallas' 20 tallest towers older than 30 years.

i believe houston would be next (out of america's largest skylines) on that metric with 17 of its 20 tallest now more than 30 years old.

for all of texas' white hot population growth over the past 3 decades, it sure hasn't translated into a lot of skyline change for its biggest cities. only austin has seen dramatic skyline change over the recent past, and much of that is due to the fact that austin didn't begin with much of a skyline at the start of this millennium.
In Houston, the DOWNTOWN skyline hasn't changed too much (though I can think of several 500-700' towers that have risen in the last couple of years), but the other city skylines (Galleria/Uptown, TMC, Midtown) have been exploding.

Houston has towers going up in all sorts of random places. So different than Chicago, which is nearly completely centralized in terms of its highrise environment (save for the lakefront).

But yes, when it comes to a city changing its skyline dramatically over the last decade, I think Austin probably wins. As Steely said though, it's because it really didn't have a skyline up until about a decade ago!

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Houston’s skyline only looks the same because the typical view from the west is of a part that’s built out and won’t change much. From the south or east it’s now very different. And as a whole it has bulked up a lot since the 1990s. The new Hines 700 footer off Travis will be very front and center so it will stand out.

Dallas is the same. The traditional CBD is frozen in time, and it’s harder to view the forest of midrises popping up to the west. In reality the number of tall buildings there has gone up even if the very dominant skyscrapers haven’t. It’s evident when you see pics from the 80s, Dallas looks like OKC with random very tall skyscrapers and nothing around them.
     
     
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when you see pics from the 80s, Dallas looks like OKC
Yeah no, I don't think so.
     
     
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Houston’s skyline only looks the same because the typical view from the west is of a part that’s built out and won’t change much. From the south or east it’s now very different. And as a whole it has bulked up a lot since the 1990s. The new Hines 700 footer off Travis will be very front and center so it will stand out.

Dallas is the same. The traditional CBD is frozen in time, and it’s harder to view the forest of midrises popping up to the west. In reality the number of tall buildings there has gone up even if the very dominant skyscrapers haven’t. It’s evident when you see pics from the 80s, Dallas looks like OKC with random very tall skyscrapers and nothing around them.
I remember the 1980s Dallas skyline as one of the tallest and most modern skylines on the continent. It's not a skyline that "makes me cry" in 2019, but I expected it to keep pace with Houston, which was also one of the tallest and most modern skylines of the 1980s (and has kept growing tall).
     
     
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Tulsa has a surprisingly large skyline for a city of its size, with 28 buildings over 200ft (22 of those in DT). And yet, only 4! of those were built in the last 35 years (2 DT and 2 elsewhere) and the tallest of those was a mere 317ft casino tower 10 miles south of DT.

Memphis has 23 buildings over 200ft, of which 5 have been built in the last 35 years.

By comparison, the disparaged Phoenix has built 34 buildings over 200ft in the same timeframe (with only 9 of those outside of DT/Midtown).
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By comparison, the disparaged Phoenix has built 34 buildings over 200ft in the same timeframe (with only 9 of those outside of DT/Midtown).
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But also we have something like 20+ 200ft plus under construction or (allegedly) soon to be just downtown and Tempe has added like ~10 ( quick estimate ) 200+ footers since 2005 (it previously had 1 maybe and it was a dormitory)


Midtown is planned to build several 200+ foot building which is new but most of us in the local forum think those plans are unlikely to materialize
     
     
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Let's be honest, as anyone who has traveled a lot outside of the United States can confirm, most American skylines seem extremely dated relative to their global counterparts (Canada, Australia, Europe, and especially Asia). The 1980s to 2010 trends of the "Mega-sized American Suburuban Office Park" really drove development away from many of our urban cores. Things have reversed, somewhat since 2011, but although the largest American cities often have GDPs equivalent to some significant sized countries, our cities in most cases still don't really look the part.
     
     
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Tulsa has a surprisingly large skyline for a city of its size, with 28 buildings over 200ft (22 of those in DT). And yet, only 4! of those were built in the last 35 years (2 DT and 2 elsewhere) and the tallest of those was a mere 317ft casino tower 10 miles south of DT.
Agree Tulsa has one of the better skylines for a city of its size (1M metro population) but needs some newer residential towers to stretch the skyline along the bluff above the riverfront.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/vladxp/6991690734

You can't even see the two most recent midrise office towers from that angle, but you can see one of them from the minor league ballpark (One Technology Center). There are also two 6 story buildings currently under construction adjacent to this ballpark as well as an 11 story office building and 8 story condo tower within a few blocks.

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Tulsa has a surprisingly large skyline for a city of its size, with 28 buildings over 200ft (22 of those in DT). And yet, only 4! of those were built in the last 35 years (2 DT and 2 elsewhere) and the tallest of those was a mere 317ft casino tower 10 miles south of DT.

Memphis has 23 buildings over 200ft, of which 5 have been built in the last 35 years.

By comparison, the disparaged Phoenix has built 34 buildings over 200ft in the same timeframe (with only 9 of those outside of DT/Midtown).
While I'm sure your figures are accurate, I'm not quite getting the relevance of the comparison here though.

Phoenix is a MUCH bigger place than Tulsa or Memphis -- to the extent that I don't see how these in any way are members of a valid data set for comparison in this case. I mean... Phoenix is probably what?... 4+ times larger than Memphis or Tulsa.

And since when did 200ft become some sort of metric of significance around here?
     
     
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