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Old Posted May 13, 2008, 9:18 PM
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[Dartmouth] Penhorn Mall

Link from CBC: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia...horn-mall.html

Developers plan transformation for Dartmouth mall
Last Updated: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 | 5:54 PM AT

A commercial real estate company hopes to transform Dartmouth's struggling Penhorn Mall into a viable shopping district.

ECL Developments Ltd., part of the Sobeys empire, plans to turn the centre on Portland Street into a strip mall with several free-standing stores.

Change is the only way for properties built in the 1970s to compete against bigger shopping complexes like Mic Mac Mall and Dartmouth Crossing, said Stephen Cleroux, director of real estate development for ECL.

"The community shopping centre has suffered due to a lot of the big box retailing that's acting as a regional draw," said Cleroux.

Penhorn Mall has been in decline for years, with family-owned businesses and chain stores pulling out one by one. Sears and Sobeys remain anchor stores.

Cleroux said indoor malls are expensive to operate.

"You've got to heat the inside, you've got to light the inside, you've got to secure the inside. So a lot of landlords have gone to the outside type of development, where these expenses are not incurred," he said.

Cleroux said Sears and Sobeys will stay, and new stores will be highly visible from the street.

The redevelopment plan also calls for a mixed residential neighbourhood on the back part of the property, as well as green space and a MetroLink bus station.

Cleroux said the plan is in the early stages.


Glad to finally see something happening here. Sobey's is really going to be well-positioned (perhaps over-positioned) in the area, with new stores on Tacoma, at Penhorn, and Russell Lake. Not included in the article above but mentioned during the broadcast was that Sobey's will take over the former Wal-Mart site, Sears will stay where it is, and the existing central mall will be demolished. The residential development was stated to be 28 acres.
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Old Posted May 13, 2008, 9:30 PM
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That's what they did to the old mall on Tacoma Drive, after K-Mart and IGA pulled out. It's unfortunate, but if that's what they have to do to stay afloat, and keep a retail aspect in that location, then that's what they've got to do.

At the very least, I'm glad a decision has finally been made public on what's going to happen. The old rumour mills have been working overtime since Wal-Mart pulled out.


I am of course also intrigued to know their plans for the transit terminal.
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Old Posted May 13, 2008, 9:35 PM
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This has the possibility of becoming a good project. As for Sobeys being over-positioned its not just in that area they own the retail areas. Along with multiple other stores in HRM the Sobeys Family owns Mill Cove here in Bedford, the largest retail area in town. This is just a guess but the new "strip mall" will probably get some Sobeys brand stores like Lawtons. Is Penhorn the mall with the Dartmouth Empire Theatres?
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I heard the former Walmart had some problems with the garage area. Something about an oil spill? Anyone know anything about this?
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Is Penhorn the mall with the Dartmouth Empire Theatres?
Had, until it moved to Dartmouth Crossing.
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Hadn't heard anything about an oil spill there. My younger brother use to work there in the automotive section and he never mentioned anything like that. The building's big problem apparently is it leaks badly in heavy rain.
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I heard the former Walmart had some problems with the garage area. Something about an oil spill? Anyone know anything about this?
They had underground storage tanks outside the main garage area that had to be excavated and removed. There wasn't any spill that I was aware of, I just know the tanks were removed because they were posing an environmental risk being unused.

Also, that building leaks like a sieve when it rains hard, a friend of mine used to work in the warehouse there before she quit, she said conditions as far as quality of that building were terrible. Leaks, apparently it had bad electrical, the foundation and base slab was crumbling... I think it was a wise idea to move to the new store at DC...
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Had, until it moved to Dartmouth Crossing.
I don't know exactly where this is but the Empire Theatres webpage claims there's a theatre on Portland St. It might of moved into another mall down the street though....
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The empire theatre is down by the superstore. It's not actually on Portland, but thats the one.

This sounds good, but not quite what i was hoping for. I wanted to see a full mixed use neighbourhood. I really don't think this city needs anymore big box stores or strip malls. Why not incoporate the retail (big and small) into other buildings, maybe with office or residential on top.
It's good though that something is finally happenning
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I don't know exactly where this is but the Empire Theatres webpage claims there's a theatre on Portland St. It might of moved into another mall down the street though....
That's the other theatre on Portland Street; there were two within a 5 minute drive of each other until the Penhorn moved to DC.
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Good article on the development in today's Chronicle Herald:

http://www.thechronicleherald.ca/Business/1055762.html

The article and conceptual drawing tell that the Wal-Mart building will be torn down starting next month!! The new Sobeys looks like it will be smaller than the Wal-Mart, which makes sense as that's a huge building. The Sears looks like it's staying as is, and the entire mall behind the Wal-Mart, with the exception of what looks like a small section behind Sears, will be torn down. A new strip-mall is shown where the parking lot is now adjacent to the highway, and a couple of smaller free-standing stores are shown adjacent to the present bus terminal.

I'm excited! I used to work at that Wal-Mart, so in one sense it will be a shame to see the building gone, but there were so many problems with it (I can vouch for every single problem with the building raised in this discussion) it would have required a huge amount of repairs just to get it to the point where it could be renovated for another store. Looks like we're going to be seeing a demolition next month!
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Here's the full article with rendering and Taylors two cents worth too.


An artist’s conception of the Penhorn Mall redevelopment in Dartmouth.

New look for old mall
Redevelopment includes new Sobeys grocery, will retain Sears
By CLARE MELLOR Business Reporter
Wed. May 14 - 6:01 AM

Redevelopment plans for the Penhorn Mall site announced Tuesday include building a new strip mall and a brand new Sobeys store, but other details are sketchy.

"There is no enclosed shopping centre at the end of the day," said Steve Cleroux, director of real estate development for ECL Developments Ltd. (ECL), a subsidiary of Empire Co. Ltd., which owns the 40-acre site.

Twenty acres of vacant land at the back of the mall is apparently being considered as a spot for new Halifax Regional Municipality rinks, as well as a mixed residential neighbourhood, trails and green space.

"We just know that is future development and we are open to discussions and recommendations and suggestions. . . . We have had very, very initial discussions with HRM," Mr. Cleroux said Tuesday.

ECL has not decided whether to keep or tear down the existing mall . It depends on whether the space can be utilized, he said.

"It is a matter of finding the right tenant," Mr. Cleroux said.

The first phase of the plan includes building a new Sobeys store where Wal-Mart used to be. Demolition of the former Wal-Mart building will begin next month, Mr. Cleroux said.

A "community retail complex" will be built on the front 20 acres of the site, close to Portland Street, and will include a 56,000-square-foot strip mall (less than half the size of the current mall). There will be several sites for free-standing commercial buildings, he said.

It is expected that Sears will remain where it is.

Eliani Cugini, a spokeswoman for Sears Canada, says the company does not want to say anything about its plans or the redevelopment at this point.

"Until the plans (for the mall) are finalized, we are not going to say anything," she said Tuesday from Toronto.

Mr. Cleroux could not say Tuesday when the redevelopment will begin or how much it is expected to cost. He did not name any new retail tenants for the redevelopment.

For months, Penhorn, which is featured in a YouTube video on "dead malls," has had more empty spots than tenants. The nail in the coffin was the loss of Wal-Mart last year to nearby Dartmouth Crossing.

"You need those national retailers. We’ve done everything to try to attract them but we just haven’t been able to. Given the markets across North America, community shopping centres are the first ones to suffer when big-box retailers come to town Mr. Cleroux said.

The company informed the 28 remaining Penhorn mall tenants of the redevelopment before making a public announcement. It is not known how many current tenants will be part of the new strip mall.

"We know it will take a few months to knock Wal-Mart down and then get the site ready for Sobeys. In the interim period, we will be discussing future plans of the existing tenants, first and foremost, and where their ultimate home is going to be and the schedule. And ultimately, what we build will kind of fall out of those discussions," Mr. Cleroux said

"Unfortunately, it may not be a reality that every single tenant in the shopping centre today has a home in the new development."

Vince Whebby, co-owner of Tattletales Books Ltd. said Tuesday it is "positive" that ECL Developments has finally made an announcement and that the new development will include retail space. There have been many rumours that it would be only a residential development.

However, there are still many unknowns for retailers, such as costs of renting new space in the new development.

"Right now, we have more questions than answers," he said.

Tattletales, which has been in the mall for 13 years, has been more and more reliant on its wholesale business due to diminishing traffic in the mall, he said.

Since Penhorn Mall is a key "transportation hub" for Dartmouth, ECL has started discussions with Metro Transit over how the redevelopment can include a MetroLink bus station. The parking lots have become an informal park-and-ride spot for many commuters.

"This arrangement would need to be formalized within the redevelopment, but ECL has expressed its willingness to do so," ECL said in a news release Tuesday.

There are also discussions with Halifax Regional Municipality about integrating green space and a pedestrian walkway.

"Anything is an improvement over what has been going on for the last couple of years. Let’s put it that way," Mr. Cleroux said.

( cmellor@herald.ca)




New life for an old mall

By ROGER TAYLOR Business Columnist
Wed. May 14 - 6:35 AM



RICKY, the career petty criminal from Trailer Park Boys, once tried to go legit by working for a down-in-the-mouth shopping mall.

Most viewers of the popular cable television show probably didn’t know this, but Penhorn Mall was playing the part of the unnamed shopping centre, which was desperate enough to hire Ricky as, of all things, a security guard.

Well, the truth wasn’t far off from fiction. Penhorn Mall had seen better days even before Dartmouth Crossing came along, but when the once-popular shopping centre lost a major tenant, Wal-Mart, to the new development, it took a major nosedive.

With the emergence of Dartmouth Crossing, most people expected Penhorn owner Empire Co. Ltd. to either find a buyer for the prime piece of Dartmouth real estate or bulldoze the whole complex.

After failing to find a taker for the property as is, Empire has finally decided to redevelop the site by employing a plan of addition by subtraction.

The Empire subsidiary ECL Developments Ltd. announced Tuesday that Penhorn Mall will undergo a "phased transformation" that will change the traditional covered shopping mall into a community retail complex occupying the front eight hectares of land closest to Portland Street.

The former Wal-Mart building will be torn down and replaced by a new Sobeys store, which will match the footprint of the old structure.

Sobeys is also a wholly owned subsidiary of Empire. In addition, a 56,000-square-foot strip mall will be built along with several free-standing pad sites for commercial development.

The redeveloped Penhorn Mall will continue to be home to the only Sears store on the Dartmouth side of Halifax Harbour.

Steve Cleroux, director of real estate development for ECL, told me the project will cost millions to complete but he isn’t ready to reveal the names of potential new tenants just yet.

While the front eight hectares will continue to be a retail development, complemented by a major Metro Transit terminal, the company isn’t saying what it has in mind for future development opportunities and green space on another eight hectares of land behind the retail operations.

It is widely known that the city has been looking at the Penhorn Mall site as a possible location for a couple of new ice rinks. Empire may also decide to develop a residential component or perhaps a hotel on the site.

"This is an exciting project for ECL and for the community surrounding Penhorn Mall," Cleroux said in a news release.

The replacement of the existing Penhorn Mall Sobeys with a new structure comes as a small surprise. Just down the road in the Russell Lake West development, Sobeys is constructing a store as part of a small commercial centre being built by Westwood Developments of Halifax.

Sobeys also has a large store in Westphal Plaza, which is just a stone’s throw from Penhorn.

But Jill Thomas-Myrick, who speaks for Sobeys in Atlantic Canada, told me Tuesday that the company is going to be replacing that store, too.

Construction will start this month on a new Sobeys on the site of the former Tacoma Drive Canadian Tire store. Canadian Tire moved to Dartmouth Crossing last spring.

Although she confirmed the long-rumoured move from Westphal Plaza to Tacoma Drive, Thomas-Myrick would not reveal how large the Tacoma Drive store will be or how much it will cost.

The Nova Scotia Liquor Corp. outlet in the plaza, which is among the best-performing liquor stores in the province, is also making the move to Tacoma Drive as part of the Sobeys redevelopment.

( rtaylor@herald.ca)
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Old Posted May 14, 2008, 5:42 PM
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Construction will start this month on a new Sobeys on the site of the former Tacoma Drive Canadian Tire store. Canadian Tire moved to Dartmouth Crossing last spring.

Although she confirmed the long-rumoured move from Westphal Plaza to Tacoma Drive, Thomas-Myrick would not reveal how large the Tacoma Drive store will be or how much it will cost.

The Nova Scotia Liquor Corp. outlet in the plaza, which is among the best-performing liquor stores in the province, is also making the move to Tacoma Drive as part of the Sobeys redevelopment.
Good. That Sobeys is difficult to get into, and has a small parking lot. The one on Tacoma Drive is a much better location, but with the departure of both Sobeys and the NSLC, that pretty much puts the nail in the coffin for that mall as well!
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Finally!

I've been waiting for something to be done with this mall for years, and its actually good to see a mix of retail and residential going on the land.

But with a sobeys at penhorn, a sobeys going into the old canadian tire spot on tacoma, and another sobeys going into russell lake west along with the one in forest hills, is there a market large enough in east dartmouth to support so many of them? This isn't even including the superstores and other grocers in the area...
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Finally!

I've been waiting for something to be done with this mall for years, and its actually good to see a mix of retail and residential going on the land.

But with a sobeys at penhorn, a sobeys going into the old canadian tire spot on tacoma, and another sobeys going into russell lake west along with the one in forest hills, is there a market large enough in east dartmouth to support so many of them? This isn't even including the superstores and other grocers in the area...
That's the same thing I was wondering about originally, although the traffic patterns in that part of Dartmouth are odd. With no grocery stores serving most of "old Dartmouth" except the truly awful Save Easy on Wyse and the even more awful Sobeys on Primrose, these stores draw from that entire area. That is why the Superstore on Braemar has done so well, as it was the only decent grocery store near that part of the city. The new Sobeys on Tacoma and the new Penhorn store will draw customers from that entire area of old Dartmouth, while I think the Russell Lake store will probably sound the death knell for the old Sobeys on Pleasant Street, which is sort of too bad because that is a nice little store, sort of a throwback to what supermarkets were like back in the 1960s. Given the traffic issues, people from old Dartmouth would not often shop at Forest Hills Sobeys, but more likely would cross the bridge and go to the stores on Windsor St or in West End Mall.
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Hey everyone, just thought I'd give an update on Penhorn's current state. I went today with a printed image of the mall map that I took several days ago, I went through, documented all stores/kiosks that are still open... as well as all that are closed.

List is at the bottom of the picture and everything in red is closed.



The one security guard who is always there (that old guy) came up to me and asked what I was doing (I was there for about an hour walking around with a red sharpie and a clipboard) and I said to him "No offense sir, but does that really matter here anymore?" .. He just walked away after that...

So, I hope this helps everyone out with whats going on at that "mall". I'll be there for sure when the wrecking crew comes in to take care of the old wal-mart!
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Nice map! Really is a shame to see that much red.

Oh, and did you have to be rude to the security officer? They don't exactly have an easy job sometimes, and it's not like you would have got in trouble if you just told him what you were up to.
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Oh, and did you have to be rude to the security officer? They don't exactly have an easy job sometimes, and it's not like you would have got in trouble if you just told him what you were up to.
I was there a couple of years ago taking photos for this same reason as I was there today, I wasn't rude to them at all and I did tell them what I was doing, I then got treated like crap from all of the security as well as the mall management. I was doing nothing in the wrong and I was treated badly. What I said today wasn't really in a rude fashion, it was jokingly. He just nodded and went back to his booth lol
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I haven't been there for a couple of years (like most people apparently!) but was amazed to see so much has disappeared, especially from the newer side of the mall. The last time I was there the food court was in full operation and there were stores in most of the slots. It really has declined pretty quickly.
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The last time I was there the food court was in full operation
It hasn't been like that in years...
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