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I agree with Councilor Hume. It's too bad the city can't approve conditional zoning, require residential development, and enforce architectural standards.
My understanding is that under Bill 51 (planning act reforms) they can do all three of those things, at least to some extent Once the new Official Plan comes into effect, the city planners will have some new tools for design, which you can see in section 5.2.1 (8) http://www.ottawa.ca/residents/plann...nn_opa5_en.pdf
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It's at Council right now... Maria McRae sounds like she's questioning John Smit as her expert planning witness at the OMB
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It's at Council right now... Maria McRae sounds like she's questioning John Smit as her expert planning witness at the OMB
I just checked and he is still answering questions. John Smit would be an excellent witness for the City....he is quite unflappable.
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After much ranting the application has been approved
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site plan application for a 147,171 square foot large format retail store and two buildings fronting Baseline (Buildings E and F in front of the big box store). These guys move quickly (quickly being a relative term in land development ) .

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$3.4 million brownfields grant.. effective redevelopment tool or taxpayer subsidisation of a multi-national big box retailer?
http://ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/cit...ing%20Ctre.htm
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City asks for comments on Smart Centres site plan
Zoning conditions not met: Chiarelli
December 02, 2009
BY MARGARET SAMBOL
http://www.yourbarrhaven.com/article/19233


The site plan proposals for the Smart Centres shopping plaza on the former Laurentian High School site at 1357 Baseline Rd. is not up to snuff, according to College Coun. Rick Chiarelli.
“If they had set out to design a cynical site plan, I can’t think of anything they would have done differently,” Chiarelli says. “It looks like that 70s big box store in the middle of sea of concrete, than it does the elegant, main-street that they showed us at the committee meeting.”

Council put conditions on the site plan, when it approved the zoning change for the site, which Chiarelli says have not been met in this plan.

The site is located in River Coun. Maria McRae’s ward. Nepean-Barrhaven This Week was not able to arrange an interview with McRae before our press deadline.

Chiarelli says he will be meeting with community associations to develop a strategy on how to move forward. He says it may not be necessary to organize meetings as the deficiencies in the plan are “painfully obvious.”

“The landscaping is missing,” Chiarelli says. “The peripheral buildings are missing. The store appears bigger than in the diagram shown to us during zoning (committee). The site is essentially a bigger store than promised and the rest is parking lot.”

Smart Centres, the company that is developing the plaza, has applied for $3.5 million in brownfields funding from the City to clean up oil spilled from the school.

“Considering the amount of money that Smart Centres is getting from the City to clean up the contamination, it’s disgraceful if they show this much disregard for the overall plan,” Chiarelli says.

Chiarelli says he has been in touch with City staff to ensure that the brownfields funding is not released until the site plan conditions have been met.

Calls to Smart Centres were also not returned by NBTW’s press deadline.

The proposal for the first phase of the development is for a one-storey 13,637 square-metre retail store on the northeast corner of the property. Two one-storey buildings – 985 square metres and 945 square metres – are planned for the south side of the property along Baseline Road.

The City is accepting comments on the site plan proposal until Dec. 9. Comments can be sent to Simon Deiaco at 613-580-2424, ext. 15641 or simon.deiaco@ottawa.ca.
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Hmm.....whose ward is this property in. Personally, I wouldn't trust the Councillor who is quoted as far as I can throw him.
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Hmm.....whose ward is this property in. Personally, I wouldn't trust the Councillor who is quoted as far as I can throw him.
It appears the developer is building the big box and the absolute minimum of the rest. They're building the two single story buildings that do almost nothing to create a street presence on Baseline.

If you look at the pictures in waterloowarrior's post (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...5&postcount=16) you'll notice that they're doing a bit of bait and switch. It's obvious that the pictures focus on the attractive buildings in the foreground and de-emphasize the uglier ones behind.

But they're not building the attractive ones. They may at some point in the future. Riiiight.
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“The landscaping is missing,” Chiarelli says. “The peripheral buildings are missing. The store appears bigger than in the diagram shown to us during zoning (committee). The site is essentially a bigger store than promised and the rest is parking lot.”
It is my understanding after looking at the zoning by-law for the property that 1 large format store with a maximum area of 150,000 sf (13,935 SM) is permitted. Looks like the applicant is showing a store less than 150,000 sf.

I agree with "Proof Sheet", I wouldn't trust what Chiarelli says either.

With regards to street presence, the City included a clause in the zoning by-law which requires the developer to have access to the retail from the street. Not much pedestrian traffic along that section of baseline as it is but hopefully the development will stimulate some.

Gotta give the City credit for trying to go above an beyond the typical Arterial Mainstreet Zoning requirements which are pretty general.
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http://www.yournepean.com/NepeanThisWeek/article/19411

Laurentian site brownfields funding deferred

Community meeting on site plan will wait until New Year
December 09, 2009
BY Margaret Sambol

A request for brownfields funding to clean up an oil spill on the former Laurentian high school site at Baseline Road and Clyde Avenue has been deferred until February. Last week, the City’s corporate services and economic development committee deferred the funding request until City staff have a chance to review the brownfields policy.

“They won’t get brownfields reimbursement until the site plan is approved,” says River Coun. Maria McRae, who represents the area including the shopping centre to be located at 1357 Baseline Rd.

“I don’t have an initial reaction yet,” she says about the site plan. “It’s very early in the process.”

Council put conditions on the site plan, when it approved the zoning change for the site and McRae says it will take some time for her to review the plan with City staff to see if it meets those conditions.

However, she did say the site plan submitted to the City in “no way will be the final site plan.”

She says the plan is missing some of the things shown on the concept drawing such as the parkette near the large store.

McRae plans on holding a meeting to get public input on the site plan, which she says will have to wait until the New Year so it doesn’t conflict with residents’ holiday plans.

“I don’t want to delay the developer, but I’m not going to be pressured to move quickly if (the site plan) is not what the holding provisions called for,” McRae says. “I will be vigorous and thorough in ensuring the City lives up to the promise it made to the community with these holding conditions.”

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Currently the City deals with brownfields funding requests on a case-by-case basis.

“The policy is intended to enable properties to be developed that would not otherwise be developed,” says College Coun. Rick Chiarelli. “This is a site that would have been developed anyway.”

McRae agrees the policy needs to be reviewed.

“Any site that has environmental contaminant should be considered,” she
says.

Chiarelli says the policy should deal with properties like the Vox in Bells Corners where the cost of decontaminating the land is prohibitive and the property becomes an eyesore.

“That deal will hinge on brownfields funding,” he says.

While Chiarelli says he supports the policy review, he adds that it will not affect plans to fix the Vox.
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INVITATION TO PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE:
You and your neighbours are invited to review the proposed Site Plan for the former Laurentian High School site located at 1375 Baseline Road. Open House details are as follows:

Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010
Time: Drop In At Your Convenience from 5:00 to 8:00 p.m.
Place: Alexander Community Centre, 960 Silver Street

http://www.laurentianredevelopment.com/
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Smart Centres is applying to lift the holding zone on the property
http://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans/...appId=__7YIAL7
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Smart Centres is applying to lift the holding zone on the property
http://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans/...appId=__7YIAL7
Thanks for the update..for once the City is ahead of itself in terms of status date
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Smart Centres is applying to lift the holding zone on the property
http://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans/...appId=__7YIAL7
What does this mean.
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What does this mean.
When the property was rezoned, the City included a holding zone which prohibits development until a number of conditions were met. They did this to ensure that the concept development would be implemented (i.e. they wouldn't just build the big box store and a couple of pad sites, they'd actually build something looking like their nice pictures) and that a transportation solution would be found (there are now a bunch of roadway changes proposed).

The developer is now saying that they have met the conditions and would like the City to lift the holding zone so they can proceed with the project once their site plan is approved, although it sounds like there will still be a holding zone for future redevelopment above a certain density.

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When the property was rezoned, the City included a holding zone which prohibits development until a number of conditions were met. They did this to ensure that the concept development would be implemented (i.e. they wouldn't just build the big box store and a couple of pad sites, they'd actually build something looking like their nice pictures) and that a transportation solution would be found (there are now a bunch of roadway changes proposed).

The developer is now saying that they have met the conditions and would like the City to lift the holding zone so they can proceed with the project, although it sounds like there will still be a holding zone for future redevelopment above a certain density.
So if i understand this right its good news and the project should move forward.
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So if i understand this right its good news and the project should move forward.
yes, unless your name is rick chiarelli or clive doucet
Basically it's another part of the process toward getting the project built - the city put in some conditions for redeveloping the property, and the developer is now saying that they are fulfilling these conditions. Assuming that there are no political issues or big problems with the plans, the next steps are to finalize the site plan, get Council to lift the holding zone, and get their building permits.

Here's a description of the lifting of the holding zone process (my guess is that the project is not delegated to staff given its high profile)
http://www.ottawa.ca/residents/plann..._zones_en.html
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yes, unless your name is rick chiarelli or clive doucet
Good one, Waterloo Warrior Those two councillors don't like to let go of anything and will find any kind of filibuster tactics to prolong development, in their ward or somebody else's.
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