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Old Posted Apr 1, 2006, 11:28 PM
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One thing people on here aren't taking into account, is that Chicago and New York have two airports.
Actually, three in New York, if you count Kennedy, Newark and LaGuardia. If you combined Reagan and Dulles in Washington, D.C., that would probably be pretty busy, too.
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Actually, three in New York, if you count Kennedy, Newark and LaGuardia. If you combined Reagan and Dulles in Washington, D.C., that would probably be pretty busy, too.
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Actually, three in New York, if you count Kennedy, Newark and LaGuardia. If you combined Reagan and Dulles in Washington, D.C., that would probably be pretty busy, too.
And you can add in BWI, granted it's 30 minutes away from the Metro.. but it is called Baltimore Washington International... and you can take a bus to the Metro.

The big, large cities have multiple airports that spread out the 'busy-ness'... Atlanta.. has 1.
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The big, large cities have multiple airports that spread out the 'busy-ness'.
That's their mistake.
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They wanted to build another airport out in Gwinnett I think a while ago. That would have had a pretty big impact on ATL.

Other cities with multiple airports are Houston - hobby and George Bush, Dallas/ft worth and Love field, Los Angeles - LAX, Long Beach, Ontario, John Wayne/orange country, Burbank
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Let's see how spreading out the "busy-ness" would total up to one airport.

Washington DC - Dulles/Reagan/hell, even BWI Total 64,874,741 Three airports, 21 MILLLION LESS THAN ATL

Dallas - DFW - Can't have more than 76,436,000 between DFW & Love. Since this list only goes to 30 and
Love isn't on that list, even using San Diego's amount of 17M+ at number 30 added to DFW doesn't beat ATL

Houston - Bush & Hobby - Same thing as DFW, Hobby isn't on the list of 30. So add Bush with the 17+ Mil
of San Diego and Houston would have a max of 57,085,000.

Chicago - ORD & Midway 94,445,000 is 8,550,000 larger than ATL

NYC - Newark, JFK & LaGuardia - 99,436,000 is 13,541,000 larger than ATL but ATL would beat any two NYC
airports together.

So, it takes THREE airports in NYC to exceed one Hartsfield and 2 in Chicago to exceed Hartsfield
but no other multiple airport city in the US comes close. ATL's traffic for 2006 is expected to reach 90 mil for
2006.


2005 North America Preliminary Traffic Report : Total Passengers

Rank Airport Total Passengers
1 Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta (ATL) 85,894,947
2 Chicago O'Hare (ORD) 76,766,776
3 Los Angeles (LAX) 61,485,269
4 Dallas/Ft. Worth (DFW) 59,064,360
5 Las Vegas (LAS) 44,280,190
6 Denver (DEN) 43,307,335
7 Phoenix Sky Harbor (PHX) 41,204,071
8 JFK-New York (JFK) 40,584,001
9 Houston (IAH) 39,713,920
10 Minneapolis/St. Paul (MSP) 37,563,664
11 Detroit (DTW) 36,374,906
12 Orlando (MCO) 33,907,396
13 San Francisco (SFO) 33,580,662
14 Newark (EWR) 33,033,569
15 Philadelphia (PHL) 31,502,855
16 Miami (MIA) 31,008,453
17 Toronto Pearson (YYZ) 29,914,925
18 Seattle-Tacoma (SEA) 29,289,009
19 Boston Logan (BOS) 27,088,425
20 Charlotte (CLT) 26,899,261
21 Dulles-Washington (IAD) 26,842,918
22 LaGuardia-New York (LGA) 25,819,091
23 Cincinnati/No. Kentucky (CVG) 22,768,891
24 Ft. Lauderdale/Hollywood (FLL) 22,390,082
25 Salt Lake City (SLC) 22,237,936
26 Baltimore/Washington (BWI) 20,187,741
27 Tampa (TPA) 19,045,390
28 Reagan-Washington (DCA) 17,843,772
29 Chicago Midway (MDW) 17,679,121
30 San Diego (SAN) 17,372,521

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George Bush was better than Kerry only because Kerry wanted gay marriage and abortion among others...But I thought that neither Bush or Kerry deserved it...I think they both sucked...I'm sorry if I'm offending anyone..

Anyways yeah like nativeatlantan is right...They are making lots of business....
So much for the land of the free.
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They wanted to build another airport out in Gwinnett I think a while ago. That would have had a pretty big impact on ATL.

Other cities with multiple airports are Houston - hobby and George Bush, Dallas/ft worth and Love field, Los Angeles - LAX, Long Beach, Ontario, John Wayne/orange country, Burbank

Is there a carrying capacity for Atlanta's airport? I mean there will come a time it won't be able to grow anymore.
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Old Posted Apr 2, 2006, 2:23 PM
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They wanted to build another airport out in Gwinnett I think a while ago. That would have had a pretty big impact on ATL.
I've never heard of a proposed second airport in Gwinnett County.

At one point, however, there was talk of a second airport in Paulding County or possibly Dawson County. Back in the 1970's, the City of Atlanta purchased huge tracts (over 10,000 acres each) in both Paulding and Dawson Counties. Ultimately both proposals were laid aside, in favor of the decision to expand Hartsfield Jackson.

The city still owns both tracts and they're managed by the state. In the 1960's, the Dawson Forest, which was then owned by Lockheed, was home to a small nuclear facility where the company was researching a possible atomic airplane. After the reactor was shut down there was some concern about possible nuclear contamination, but I think it was determined to be pretty negligible. I've hiked around up there and am not glowing, although I have noticed a slight effect on my hair.

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Is there a carrying capacity for Atlanta's airport? I mean there will come a time it won't be able to grow anymore.
The expansion being done today will allow it to max out at about 120M per year. To reach this number, the 5th runway, the international terminal and 10 gate expansion, the southern concourse (30-40 gates, maybe as much as 72), the consolidated rental car and the services expansion (seating/concessions/restrooms) expansion of all existing concourses has to happen. So, if it hits 90M passengers this year, that's leaving 30M growth probably for the next 10-20 years. Starting TODAY if Atlanta wanted a 2nd domestic commercial service airport from scratch, it would take 10 years. I really don't think there's an existing airport within reach of the majority of Atlanta's population that could be adapted except for Dobbins and that would be a hellacious fight in Cobb. Dobbins would probably need another runway as a parallel before commercial service would happen and a 25-35 gate concourse/terminal.
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There was also the proposal to build a high speed rail network between Hartsfield and the airport in Chattanooga to help alleviate the crunch at Hartsfield at times. I think the funding went elsewhere and it might have been seen as a rather weak proposal.
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Just heard yesterday that Delta will be adding a route to Johannesburg, South Africa. This may not be news to you guys but it was to me.

Also, Delta just announced that it's the first airline with service to all 50 states:
http://news.delta.com/article_displa...ticle_id=10142

And I just found this on delta.com ( http://www.delta.com/planning_reserv...vice/index.jsp )...it's a listing of all of their NEW international destinations and their start dates.

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YEah

And Delta added a flight to Tel Aviv,Israel and another one non-stop from atlanta to athens,greece...Now Delta has 2 cities that travel to Athens,Greece in the united states..(JKF-Athens,ATL-Athens)....Yeah cuz im part greek sometimes i go to greece and it was boring to go all the way to JFK and then to Athens...Now it seems i just have to drive 35 minutes and thats it....
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe a major reason why Delta's cost structure is so high is that they rely on a much greater share of connecting traffic than the other airlines do. Is this why they are building a JFK hub? I think a merger with Northwest would be a good fit for Delta, if they had the money. Northwest is the dominant Pacific carrier where Delta is virtually absent, while Delta has a strong Atlantic network where NWA is lacking. A merger would allow Delta to eliminate its Cincinatti hub (keeping the NWA hub at Detroit) and NWA to eliminate its Memphis hub, funneling all its Southeast passengers to Atlanta instead. That would create an airline in which you could fly anywhere in the world, but would still have a large domestic structure to support the international traffic (PanAm's problem). At the same time, they could eliminate some costly hubs without losing the passengers.
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Well

A reason why they made the costs higher is to make more profits because the gas prices are going up...$66 a barrel....Supposevly it costs $100,000 for one plane to take off and land so if u make less money that you spend...With over 550 different destinations a day....And over 1000 take offs a day...You will lose a lot of money...Also Delta loses 4 million dollars a day...BUt i guess that has changed by now...They were doing so bad they closed their hub in Dallas and sold Atlantic Southeast airlines for 425 million dollars to avoid bankruptcy in which didnt work...So yeah...They are making the JFK hub so that they can make more profits...And they also have to pay 52,000 employees in which really they dont have the money for...Right now they have hubs in H.-J. Atlanta Int'l Airport
Cincinnati-N. KY Int'l Airport
John F. Kennedy Int'l Airport
Salt Lake City Int'l Airport...So yeah...
But if delta goes out of business dont think that H.J Atlanta airport will go down because air tran will merge and so will atlantic southeast airlines....
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The Johannesburg, South Africa route is old news.

Delta and Northwest merger wouldn't work because their fleets are almost completely different, with the exception of MD-80s and 757s
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Yeah

That is true...but accodring to some news over here in Atlanta Delta is doing much better plus their stocks have gone up so at least that's good news...
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So yeah

So in 5 years atlanta will probably have 120 million people a year? That means that they will have about like almost 400,000 people a day...That is soo cool...Wao
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So in 5 years atlanta will probably have 120 million people a year? That means that they will have about like almost 400,000 people a day...That is soo cool...Wao
No, that's in 20 years.
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oh allright

So when exactly does the new runway open?
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