Winnipeg Roads & Infrastructure

[morty]

Originally Posted by Biff

Both are essentially pier refurbishment, girder and deck replacements.

Thanks for the info! That's disappointing, it would've been a good opportunity to get rid of an dangerous, outdated design.

[bomberjet]

I think this thread deserves a sticky.

[Biff]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

I think this thread deserves a sticky.

Hold on, i want to get my camera! I created this thread and now it is up for a "sticky".

I just wanted to thank all that got me to where i am today:

Mom and Dad - thanks for making me the person i am
My wife an kids - you keep me grounded, i love you
Esquire, trueviking, Harls, Cvist - thanks for helping me find my way, these forums can really chew you up and spit you out
bomberjet - for seeing the true promise in nominating my thread

........oh wait, it isn't "stickied" yet............shit!

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by Biff

Hold on, i want to get my camera! I created this thread and now it is up for a "sticky".

I just wanted to thank all that got me to where i am today:

Mom and Dad - thanks for making me the person i am
My wife an kids - you keep me grounded, i love you
Esquire, trueviking, Harls, Cvist - thanks for helping me find my way, these forums can really chew you up and spit you out
bomberjet - for seeing the true promise in nominating my thread

........oh wait, it isn't "stickied" yet............shit!

LOL no problem!

I think it's a good catch all roads thread. Plesiss Underpass, Waverley will be firing up talks soon, general road stuff's that can't find a home elsewhere.

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by morty

Thanks for the info! That's disappointing, it would've been a good opportunity to get rid of an dangerous, outdated design.

So being dangerous and outdated. Is that the fact that east/westbound traffic would have to cross the bridge prior to exiting. Where as the parclo would direct them off the highway prior to the bridge, then down and around the loop?

[morty]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

So being dangerous and outdated. Is that the fact that east/westbound traffic would have to cross the bridge prior to exiting. Where as the parclo would direct them off the highway prior to the bridge, then down and around the loop?

Yeah, that's pretty much it. A parclo requires traffic lights on one road as it's a freeway-arterial interchange. But since the speed limit on Pembina is 50 or 60 in that area, it doesn't really need to be free flowing.

A parclo (only one in the city is Pembina and Bishop) takes all the exiting traffic off the highway, then provides separate merge lanes for entering traffic. Whereas with a cloverleaf, cars are accelerating up to 100 to merge as well as slowing down for the loop exit ramp, all in the same small strech of lane.

It's relatively cheap to convert a cloverleaf to a parclo, as all you have to do is close 2 loop ramps and realign/expand right turn ramps into exit ramps. The government could probably even make some money off it by selling the newly-freed up land just south of De Vos Road.

Parclo:


Cloverleaf:

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by morty

Yeah, that's pretty much it. A parclo requires traffic lights on one road as it's a freeway-arterial interchange. But since the speed limit on Pembina is 50 or 60 in that area, it doesn't really need to be free flowing.

A parclo (only one in the city is Pembina and Bishop) takes all the exiting traffic off the highway, then provides separate merge lanes for entering traffic. Whereas with a cloverleaf, cars are accelerating up to 100 to merge as well as slowing down for the loop exit ramp, all in the same small strech of lane.

It's relatively cheap to convert a cloverleaf to a parclo, as all you have to do is close 2 loop ramps and realign/expand right turn ramps into exit ramps. The government could probably even make some money off it by selling the newly-freed up land just south of De Vos Road.

Parclo:
http://i.imgur.com/0ZbQxc9.jpg

Cloverleaf:
http://i.imgur.com/Sgxv049.jpg

Yeah, I get all that.

That's why CentrePort cloverleaf has the additional bridges for acceleration and deceleration. It lets vehicles decelerate and exit prior to traffic merging and accelerating.

PTH 59 and PTH 101 will also have the additional bridge on one side. The other side has the flyover so no issue there. Let me rephrase that, PTH 59/PTH 101 will have those bridges WHEN it get's built.

But I agree that the Pembina/PTH 100 cloverleaf could become a parclo. I would hold off selling the land though! Winnipeg's done enough of that over time.