Largest US and Canadian Cities by Population Density - Page 4

dimondpark · #61 Posted **Sep 10, 2018, 1:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by dimondpark

50 largest US cities and Canadian Cities with 400,000+ inhabitants by population per square mile...

I didnt realize the majority had under 5,000 per square mile.

Largest US and Canadian Cities by Population Density:
New York, NY 28,317/sq m
San Francisco, CA 18,569/sq mi
Vancouver, BC 14,226/sq mi
Boston, MA 13,938/sq mi
Miami, FL 12,599/sq mi
Chicago, IL 11,900/sq m
Philadelphia, PA 11,683/sq mi
Toronto, ON 11,226/sq mi
Washington, DC 11,148/sq mi
Montreal, QC 10,075/sq mi
Long Beach, CA 9,347/sq mi
Los Angeles, CA 8,484/sq mi
Seattle, WA 8,405/sq mi
Minneapolis, MN 7,660/sq mi
Baltimore, MD 7,598/sq mi
Oakland, CA 7,514/sq mi
Mississauga, ON 6,391/sq mi
Milwaukee, WI 6,186/sq mi
San Jose, CA 5,777/sq mi
Brampton, ON 5,772/sq mi
Sacramento, CA 5,059/sq mi
Detroit, MI 4,847/sq mi
Portland, OR 4,793/sq m
Las Vegas, NV 4,709/sq mi
Fresno, CA 4,563/sq mi
Denver, CO 4,521/sq m
Laval, QC 4,431/sq mi
San Diego, CA 4,325/sq mi
Surrey, BC 4,239/sq mi
Arlington, TX 4,100/sq mi
Columbus, OH 3,936/sq mi
Calgary, AB 3,888/sq mi
Dallas, TX 3,866/sq mi
Winnepeg, MB 3,700/sq mi
Houston, TX 3,613/sq m
Atlanta, GA 3,539/sq mi
Edmonton, AB 3,525/sq mi
Omaha, NE 3,356/sq m
Mesa, AZ 3,514/sq m
San Antonio, TX 3,238/sq mi
Raleigh, NC 3,163/sq mi
Phoenix, AZ 3,120/sq mi
Quebec City, QC 3,039/sq mi
Austin, TX 3,031/sq mi
Albuquerque, NM 2,972/sq mi
Charlotte, NC 2,757/sq mi
El Paso, TX 2,660/sq mi
Fort Worth, TX 2,491/sq mi
Wichita, KS 2,431/sq mi
Colorado Springs, CO 2,378/sq mi
Indianapolis, IN 2,366/sq m
Louisville, KY 2,339/sq m
New Orleans, LA 2,311/sq mi
Tucson, AZ 2,299/sq mi
Memphis, TN 2,056/sq mi
Tulsa, OK 2,048/sq mi
Virginia Beach, VA 1,850/sq mi
Kansas City, MO 1,528/sq mi
Nashville, TN 1,388/sq mi
Hamilton, ON 1,245/sq mi
Jacksonville, FL 1,178/sq mi
Oklahoma City, OK 1,053/sq mi
Ottawa, ON 867/sq mi
Halifax, NS 190/sq mi

Source: Wikipedia

Looking back to nearly 30 years ago, much has changed...

1990 US Census
Rank City, State....Population/Area Sq Miles/Pop Density
1 New York city, NY *...... 7,322,564 308.9 23,705
2 Los Angeles city, CA..... 3,485,398 469.3 7,427
3 Chicago city, IL......... 2,783,726 227.2 12,252
4 Houston city, TX......... 1,630,553 539.9 3,020
5 Philadelphia city, PA.... 1,585,577 135.1 11,736
6 San Diego city, CA *..... 1,110,549 324.0 3,428
7 Detroit city, MI......... 1,027,974 138.7 7,411
8 Dallas city, TX.......... 1,006,877 342.4 2,941
9 Phoenix city, AZ *....... 983,403 419.9 2,342
10 San Antonio city, TX..... 935,933 333.0 2,811

11 San Jose city, CA........ 782,248 171.3 4,567
12 Baltimore city, MD....... 736,014 80.8 9,109
13 Indianapolis city, IN *.. 731,327 361.7 2,022
14 San Francisco city, CA... 723,959 46.7 15,502
15 Jacksonville city, FL *.. 635,230 758.7 837
16 Columbus city, OH........ 632,910 190.9 3,315
17 Milwaukee city, WI....... 628,088 96.1 6,536
18 Memphis city, TN *....... 610,337 256.0 2,384
19 Washington city, DC...... 606,900 61.4 9,884
20 Boston city, MA.......... 574,283 48.4 11,865

21 Seattle city, WA......... 516,259 83.9 6,153
22 El Paso city, TX *....... 515,342 245.4 2,100
23 Cleveland city, OH....... 505,616 77.0 6,566
24 New Orleans city, LA *... 496,938 180.6 2,752
25 Nashville-Davidson, TN *. 488,374 473.3 1,032
26 Denver city, CO *........ 467,610 153.3 3,050
27 Austin city, TX.......... 465,622 217.8 2,138
28 Fort Worth city, TX *.... 447,619 281.1 1,592
29 Oklahoma City city, OK *. 444,719 608.2 731
30 Portland city, OR........ 437,319 124.7 3,507

31 Kansas City city, MO *... 435,146 311.5 1,397
32 Long Beach city, CA...... 429,433 50.0 8,589
33 Tucson city, AZ *........ 405,390 156.3 2,594
34 St. Louis city, MO....... 396,685 61.9 6,408
35 Charlotte city, NC....... 395,934 174.3 2,272
36 Atlanta city, GA......... 394,017 131.8 2,990
37 Virginia Beach city, VA * 393,069 248.3 1,583
38 Albuquerque city, NM..... 384,736 132.2 2,910
39 Oakland city, CA......... 372,242 56.1 6,635
40 Pittsburgh city, PA...... 369,879 55.6 6,653

41 Sacramento city, CA...... 369,365 96.3 3,836
42 Minneapolis city, MN..... 368,383 54.9 6,710
43 Tulsa city, OK........... 367,302 183.5 2,002
44 Honolulu CDP, HI *....... 365,272 82.8 4,411
45 Cincinnati city, OH...... 364,040 77.2 4,716
46 Miami city, FL........... 358,548 35.6 10,072
47 Fresno city, CA.......... 354,202 99.1 3,574
48 Omaha city, NE........... 335,795 100.6 3,338
49 Toledo city, OH.......... 332,943 80.6 4,131
50 Buffalo city, NY......... 328,123 40.6 8,082

51 Wichita city, KS......... 304,011 115.1 2,641
52 Santa Ana city, CA....... 293,742 27.1 10,839
53 Mesa city, AZ............ 288,091 108.6 2,653
54 Colorado Springs city, CO 281,140 183.2 1,535
55 Tampa city, FL........... 280,015 108.7 2,576
56 Newark city, NJ.......... 275,221 23.8 11,564
57 St. Paul city, MN........ 272,235 52.8 5,156
58 Louisville city, KY...... 269,063 62.1 4,333
59 Anaheim city, CA......... 266,406 44.3 6,014
60 Birmingham city, AL *.... 265,968 148.5 1,791

61 Arlington city, TX....... 261,721 93.0 2,814
62 Norfolk city, VA......... 261,229 53.8 4,856
63 Las Vegas city, NV *..... 258,295 83.3 3,101
64 Corpus Christi city, TX.. 257,453 135.0 1,907
65 St. Petersburg city, FL.. 238,629 59.2 4,031
66 Rochester city, NY....... 231,636 35.8 6,470
67 Jersey City city, NJ..... 228,537 14.9 15,338
68 Riverside city, CA....... 226,505 77.7 2,915
69 Anchorage city, AK *..... 226,338 1,697.6 133
70 Lexington-Fayette, KY *.. 225,366 284.5 792

71 Akron city, OH........... 223,019 62.2 3,586
72 Aurora city, CO *........ 222,103 132.5 1,676
73 Baton Rouge city, LA..... 219,531 73.9 2,971
74 Stockton city, CA........ 210,943 52.6 4,010
75 Raleigh city, NC......... 207,951 88.1 2,360

mhays · #62 Posted **Sep 10, 2018, 1:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by dimondpark

Haha fine by me, but it seems to me that only people who care are those who think their city is somehow disadvantaged-nobody else really gaf.

And I can't find a single population density statistic produced by a reputable source, governmental or otherwise, that produces city population density any other way than using the total land area. Guess theyre all wrong.

My city is treated fairly. It's still a misleading metric for comparisons, and always needs context.

dimondpark · #63 Posted **Sep 10, 2018, 1:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by mhays

My city is treated fairly. It's still a misleading metric for comparisons, and always needs context.

It doesnt matter, no density ranking will please everyone. The metro area weighted density and urban area density rankings are also informative but Im sure the same chorus of deeply offended naysayers will chime in...

spoonman · #64 Posted **Sep 10, 2018, 2:17 PM**

Super misleading.

Obadno · #65 Posted **Sep 10, 2018, 2:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by dimondpark

50 largest US cities and Canadian Cities with 400,000+ inhabitants by population per square mile...

I didnt realize the majority had under 5,000 per square mile.

Largest US and Canadian Cities by Population Density:
New York, NY 28,317/sq m
San Francisco, CA 18,569/sq mi
Vancouver, BC 14,226/sq mi
Boston, MA 13,938/sq mi
Miami, FL 12,599/sq mi
Chicago, IL 11,900/sq m
Philadelphia, PA 11,683/sq mi
Toronto, ON 11,226/sq mi
Washington, DC 11,148/sq mi
Montreal, QC 10,075/sq mi
Long Beach, CA 9,347/sq mi
Los Angeles, CA 8,484/sq mi
Seattle, WA 8,405/sq mi
Minneapolis, MN 7,660/sq mi
Baltimore, MD 7,598/sq mi
Oakland, CA 7,514/sq mi
Mississauga, ON 6,391/sq mi
Milwaukee, WI 6,186/sq mi
San Jose, CA 5,777/sq mi
Brampton, ON 5,772/sq mi
Sacramento, CA 5,059/sq mi
Detroit, MI 4,847/sq mi
Portland, OR 4,793/sq m
Las Vegas, NV 4,709/sq mi
Fresno, CA 4,563/sq mi
Denver, CO 4,521/sq m
Laval, QC 4,431/sq mi
San Diego, CA 4,325/sq mi
Surrey, BC 4,239/sq mi
Arlington, TX 4,100/sq mi
Columbus, OH 3,936/sq mi
Calgary, AB 3,888/sq mi
Dallas, TX 3,866/sq mi
Winnepeg, MB 3,700/sq mi
Houston, TX 3,613/sq m
Atlanta, GA 3,539/sq mi
Edmonton, AB 3,525/sq mi
Omaha, NE 3,356/sq m
Mesa, AZ 3,514/sq m
San Antonio, TX 3,238/sq mi
Raleigh, NC 3,163/sq mi
Phoenix, AZ 3,120/sq mi
Quebec City, QC 3,039/sq mi
Austin, TX 3,031/sq mi
Albuquerque, NM 2,972/sq mi
Charlotte, NC 2,757/sq mi
El Paso, TX 2,660/sq mi
Fort Worth, TX 2,491/sq mi
Wichita, KS 2,431/sq mi
Colorado Springs, CO 2,378/sq mi
Indianapolis, IN 2,366/sq m
Louisville, KY 2,339/sq m
New Orleans, LA 2,311/sq mi
Tucson, AZ 2,299/sq mi
Memphis, TN 2,056/sq mi
Tulsa, OK 2,048/sq mi
Virginia Beach, VA 1,850/sq mi
Kansas City, MO 1,528/sq mi
Nashville, TN 1,388/sq mi
Hamilton, ON 1,245/sq mi
Jacksonville, FL 1,178/sq mi
Oklahoma City, OK 1,053/sq mi
Ottawa, ON 867/sq mi
Halifax, NS 190/sq mi

Source: Wikipedia

Mesa is not denser than Phoenix at all, the problem is the city limits do not coincide with the actual population of the city, They city owns massive areas of uninhabited desert in the far north and hundreds of square miles of mountain preserves that it treats as city parks, vastly expanding the city sqr miles beyond the actual development.

dimondpark · #66 Posted **Sep 10, 2018, 2:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by jd3189

I feel that the people who like to say these types of lists are irrelevant or heavily support them ( I’m trying to be in the middle of things) are low-key taking this crap too seriously. These are just statistics to discuss. Whether it’s city proper limits, MSA, CSA, state/ province, country, etc, it is supposed to be fun to look at.

Thank you. I never said this is the only stat, it's just A stat

Urbanguy · #67 Posted **Sep 10, 2018, 2:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by dimondpark

Looking back to nearly 30 years ago, much has changed...

1990 US Census
Rank City, State....Population/Area Sq Miles/Pop Density
1 New York city, NY *...... 7,322,564 308.9 23,705
2 Los Angeles city, CA..... 3,485,398 469.3 7,427
3 Chicago city, IL......... 2,783,726 227.2 12,252
4 Houston city, TX......... 1,630,553 539.9 3,020
5 Philadelphia city, PA.... 1,585,577 135.1 11,736
6 San Diego city, CA *..... 1,110,549 324.0 3,428
7 Detroit city, MI......... 1,027,974 138.7 7,411
8 Dallas city, TX.......... 1,006,877 342.4 2,941
9 Phoenix city, AZ *....... 983,403 419.9 2,342
10 San Antonio city, TX..... 935,933 333.0 2,811

11 San Jose city, CA........ 782,248 171.3 4,567
12 Baltimore city, MD....... 736,014 80.8 9,109
13 Indianapolis city, IN *.. 731,327 361.7 2,022
14 San Francisco city, CA... 723,959 46.7 15,502
15 Jacksonville city, FL *.. 635,230 758.7 837
16 Columbus city, OH........ 632,910 190.9 3,315
17 Milwaukee city, WI....... 628,088 96.1 6,536
18 Memphis city, TN *....... 610,337 256.0 2,384
19 Washington city, DC...... 606,900 61.4 9,884
20 Boston city, MA.......... 574,283 48.4 11,865

21 Seattle city, WA......... 516,259 83.9 6,153
22 El Paso city, TX *....... 515,342 245.4 2,100
23 Cleveland city, OH....... 505,616 77.0 6,566
24 New Orleans city, LA *... 496,938 180.6 2,752
25 Nashville-Davidson, TN *. 488,374 473.3 1,032
26 Denver city, CO *........ 467,610 153.3 3,050
27 Austin city, TX.......... 465,622 217.8 2,138
28 Fort Worth city, TX *.... 447,619 281.1 1,592
29 Oklahoma City city, OK *. 444,719 608.2 731
30 Portland city, OR........ 437,319 124.7 3,507

31 Kansas City city, MO *... 435,146 311.5 1,397
32 Long Beach city, CA...... 429,433 50.0 8,589
33 Tucson city, AZ *........ 405,390 156.3 2,594
34 St. Louis city, MO....... 396,685 61.9 6,408
35 Charlotte city, NC....... 395,934 174.3 2,272
36 Atlanta city, GA......... 394,017 131.8 2,990
37 Virginia Beach city, VA * 393,069 248.3 1,583
38 Albuquerque city, NM..... 384,736 132.2 2,910
39 Oakland city, CA......... 372,242 56.1 6,635
40 Pittsburgh city, PA...... 369,879 55.6 6,653

41 Sacramento city, CA...... 369,365 96.3 3,836
42 Minneapolis city, MN..... 368,383 54.9 6,710
43 Tulsa city, OK........... 367,302 183.5 2,002
44 Honolulu CDP, HI *....... 365,272 82.8 4,411
45 Cincinnati city, OH...... 364,040 77.2 4,716
46 Miami city, FL........... 358,548 35.6 10,072
47 Fresno city, CA.......... 354,202 99.1 3,574
48 Omaha city, NE........... 335,795 100.6 3,338
49 Toledo city, OH.......... 332,943 80.6 4,131
50 Buffalo city, NY......... 328,123 40.6 8,082

51 Wichita city, KS......... 304,011 115.1 2,641
52 Santa Ana city, CA....... 293,742 27.1 10,839
53 Mesa city, AZ............ 288,091 108.6 2,653
54 Colorado Springs city, CO 281,140 183.2 1,535
55 Tampa city, FL........... 280,015 108.7 2,576
56 Newark city, NJ.......... 275,221 23.8 11,564
57 St. Paul city, MN........ 272,235 52.8 5,156
58 Louisville city, KY...... 269,063 62.1 4,333
59 Anaheim city, CA......... 266,406 44.3 6,014
60 Birmingham city, AL *.... 265,968 148.5 1,791

61 Arlington city, TX....... 261,721 93.0 2,814
62 Norfolk city, VA......... 261,229 53.8 4,856
63 Las Vegas city, NV *..... 258,295 83.3 3,101
64 Corpus Christi city, TX.. 257,453 135.0 1,907
65 St. Petersburg city, FL.. 238,629 59.2 4,031
66 Rochester city, NY....... 231,636 35.8 6,470
67 Jersey City city, NJ..... 228,537 14.9 15,338
68 Riverside city, CA....... 226,505 77.7 2,915
69 Anchorage city, AK *..... 226,338 1,697.6 133
70 Lexington-Fayette, KY *.. 225,366 284.5 792

71 Akron city, OH........... 223,019 62.2 3,586
72 Aurora city, CO *........ 222,103 132.5 1,676
73 Baton Rouge city, LA..... 219,531 73.9 2,971
74 Stockton city, CA........ 210,943 52.6 4,010
75 Raleigh city, NC......... 207,951 88.1 2,360

...you know Honolulu's CDP would probably be over 400,000 and make the first list you posted if East Honolulu didn't separate itself in 2010.

Using the old CDP boundaries -- I think it's referred to as a CCD now it was 390,738 in 2010.

Xelebes · #68 Posted **Sep 10, 2018, 2:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by dimondpark

Thank you. I never said this is the only stat, it's just A stat

What is there to discuss then? What you posted was something you might pull from Wikipedia. So what did you want to discuss? That Wikipedia has it wrong? That Wikipedia needs to update their numbers? That whether this is a significant statistic at all?

dimondpark · #69 Posted **Sep 10, 2018, 3:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by Urbanguy

...you know Honolulu's CDP would probably be over 400,000 and make the first list you posted if East Honolulu didn't separate itself in 2010.

Using the old CDP boundaries -- I think it's referred to as a CCD now it was 390,738 in 2010.

Interesting.

What areas are East Honolulu? Hawaii Kai? Kahala?

Urbanguy · #70 Posted **Sep 10, 2018, 3:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by dimondpark

Interesting.

What areas are East Honolulu? Hawaii Kai? Kahala?

^Yep, basically from the Wai'alae Country Club east to Makapu'u Point. I'm not exactly sure why they separated but I suspect that it had a lot to do with politics (mostly Republican) & wealth (lots of rich people). In 2010 that equaled to about 50,000 people.

BnaBreaker · #71 Posted **Sep 10, 2018, 3:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by dimondpark

It doesnt matter, no density ranking will please everyone. The metro area weighted density and urban area density rankings are also informative but Im sure the same chorus of deeply offended naysayers will chime in...

"Deeply offended naysayers" says the guy on the verge of hysterics in many of his nearly twenty posts in the thread.

dimondpark · #72 Posted **Sep 10, 2018, 3:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by Urbanguy

^Yep, basically from the Wai'alae Country Club east to Makapu'u Point. I'm not exactly sure why they separated but I suspect that it had a lot to do with politics (mostly Republican) & wealth (lots of rich people). In 2010 that equaled to about 50,000 people.

Yep that makes sense...really odd tho.

Steely Dan · #73 Posted **Sep 10, 2018, 3:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by dimondpark

The metro area weighted density and urban area density rankings are also informative but Im sure the same chorus of deeply offended naysayers will chime in...

"chorus of deeply offended naysayers"?

hyperbole much?

no one is deeply offended, you just have A LOT of people in this thread pointing out that city limits density numbers don't mean a whole lot taken on their own.

and they're a terrible comparison tool because they don't compare apples to apples.

just because i happen to disagree with you doesn't mean that i am deeply offended. don't be ridiculous.

dimondpark · #74 Posted **Sep 10, 2018, 3:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by Steely Dan

"chorus of deeply offended naysayers"?

hyperbole much?

no one is deeply offended, you just have A LOT of people in this thread pointing out that city limits density numbers don't mean a whole lot taken on their own.

and they're a terrible comparison tool because they don't compare apples to apples.

just because i happen to disagree with you doesn't mean that i am deeply offended. don't be ridiculous.

Ok but let's move on, this back and forth is completely unnecessary.

Sun Belt · #75 Posted **Sep 10, 2018, 4:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by mhays

My city is treated fairly. It's still a misleading metric for comparisons, and always needs context.

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Originally Posted by spoonman

Super misleading.

Yup.

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Originally Posted by Obadno

Mesa is not denser than Phoenix at all, the problem is the city limits do not coincide with the actual population of the city, They city owns massive areas of uninhabited desert in the far north and hundreds of square miles of mountain preserves that it treats as city parks, vastly expanding the city sqr miles beyond the actual development.

This is in the center of Phoenix city limits. Preserve lands, entire mountain ranges, city parks that are massive, and have a population of 0.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/alanenglish/5356223404/

Here is another area of the city of Phoenix. It's the largest city park in the U.S. and one of the largest in the world at 26 square miles [population 0].

https://www.flickr.com/photos/danayeager/4277058895/
In this picture, you can see all the other mountains to the north that entirely lie within the city limits of Phoenix.

spoonman · #76 Posted **Sep 10, 2018, 4:52 PM**

Good points^. San Diego is one of the densest cities by weighted density, but much much lower in city limit density due to the hundreds of square miles of unpopulated mountainous land within city limits. Much like Phoenix, the city is one of the largest in land area in the US.

Obadno · #77 Posted **Sep 10, 2018, 5:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by Sun Belt

Yup.

This is in the center of Phoenix city limits. Preserve lands, entire mountain ranges, city parks that are massive, and have a population of 0.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/alanenglish/5356223404/

Here is another area of the city of Phoenix. It's the largest city park in the U.S. and one of the largest in the world at 26 square miles [population 0].

https://www.flickr.com/photos/danayeager/4277058895/
In this picture, you can see all the other mountains to the north that entirely lie within the city limits of Phoenix.

Also the Airport, also the undeveloped State Trust land in the north end of the city and the (sometimes 2 miles wide) river bed that runs through the whole thing.

iheartthed · #78 Posted **Sep 10, 2018, 6:36 PM**

Four pages of arguing about something that might materially change the positioning of one or two cities on the original list, lol.

spoonman · #79 Posted **Sep 10, 2018, 7:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by iheartthed

Four pages of arguing about something that might materially change the positioning of one or two cities on the original list, lol.

Yes, it was easier when I was in NYC and was the uncontested winner of everything.

JManc · #80 Posted **Sep 10, 2018, 7:34 PM**

This thread killed billions of brain cells.