216th Interchange/Highway 1 Improvements | Compleated

[Corndogger]

Originally Posted by MIPS

Global had a thing about it on Friday.

https://globalnews.ca/video/7330774/...using-problems

That meets Canadian highway engineering standards? lol

[moosejaw]

Originally Posted by Corndogger

That meets Canadian highway engineering standards? lol

exactly

[Reecemartin]

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[Metro-One]

The liberal plan was 3 general purpose lanes, the NDP switched it to HOV. The NDP have also delayed the next phase of 3 lane expansion to 264th by around 3 years now, so theoretically the next phase would have been well under construction by now.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

The liberal plan was 3 general purpose lanes, the NDP switched it to HOV. The NDP have also delayed the next phase of 3 lane expansion to 264th by around 3 years now, so theoretically the next phase would have been well under construction by now.

Why would they delay? Do you have evidence of this? I thought the 2nd phase was mostly Federal money anyway, which you'd think they would want to get spending ASAP.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Why would they delay? Do you have evidence of this? I thought the 2nd phase was mostly Federal money anyway, which you'd think they would want to get spending ASAP.

They were reviewing some of the highway projects and there was no federal money committed when the Liberals initially announced the widening project.

https://www.missioncityrecord.com/ne...y-project-mla/

[Klazu]

The new lane merging makes no sense and you have to wonder who approved it. They need to repaint the leftmost lane to merge with the middle one and have the middle and right lane being the ones one merges to.

Merge lanes onto Highway 1 are ridiculous in most places and the real cause for daily congestion, not volume of cars. Willingdon onramp should be 500 meters longers and same for most onramps. Only westbound onramp from Brunette is what good looks like.

[cabotp]

What if they were to merge the HOV lane over to the GP Left lane before the top of the hill. By installing temporary barriers in the HOV lane for the last portion.

Then after that the two remaining GP lanes just continue on as normal. A few meters up the road 216th would merge into the right lane as per a normal merge.

It would probably be the quickest and easiest and safest fix.

[dharper]

Anyone else notice the east bound HOV lane under the 216th overpass makes your tires sing?
Also, west bound around the 216th overpass, the pavements finish makes it seem like I have an unbalanced tire.

[NicholasHui]

Originally Posted by cabotp

What if they were to merge the HOV lane over to the GP Left lane before the top of the hill. By installing temporary barriers in the HOV lane for the last portion.

Then after that the two remaining GP lanes just continue on as normal. A few meters up the road 216th would merge into the right lane as per a normal merge.

It would probably be the quickest and easiest and safest fix.

I was wondering why do they have the right lane end very quick after the 216 st merge. Should it had been better if they had the HOV lane merge into the regular lanes?

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by NicholasHui

I was wondering why do they have the right lane end very quick after the 216 st merge. Should it had been better if they had the HOV lane merge into the regular lanes?

Yes. I guess they still haven't done anything with the lanes?

[xd_1771]

To be fair the design would follow highway design guidelines in many other places. Of course a right-hand merge is also better than a left-hand one, and the previous left-hand merge east of 200th Street might have had safety issues of its own.

The problem here I think is the lack of understanding of local context. A lot of the people who are now exiting at 216th weren't necessarily the people who were continuing further to 232nd/Highway 10. The through traffic volume is thus the same west and east of 216th, and a lot of the through traffic is truck traffic, which is challenging to handle when there are high traffic volumes that warranted 3-4 lanes long ago already.

I think an even better (if somewhat impractical) solution would be to have drivers to make their lane changing decisions over a far longer distance - i.e. prior to reaching the 216th Street interchange. That is, the HOV lane is terminated earlier, and the rightmost lane approaching 216th becomes exit only. 216th onramp merges onto two eastbound lanes. The capacity is reduced, and that may pose challenges of its own, but by all means it would seem to be safer - esp. given it's a configuration that would only remain in place for a couple of years until widening is complete.

[dharper]

The whole problem is that this highway widening project ended in probably the worst spot. A few hundred meters farther east, or at 216th, having the right lane being exit only (Like XD_1771 said above), would have been much better.

[mezzanine]

i suspect a major issue with further expansion are the overpasses for glover and the rail line. they are underheight and would have to be replaced entirely if the expansion were to be extended further east

[Nicholas Hui]

A solution to a short and long term solution to reduce congestion at the HOV lane merging into general traffic purpose lanes and what they did is to have better sufficient merge signs ahead of time. An example is that they added the merge ending sign just before passing the 216 street interchange overpass and perhaps saying lane ends in 1000 metres/1km.

[flipper316]

https://www.langleyadvancetimes.com/...lion-province/

[MIPS]

I would be curious to know how many instances of over-height vehicles are detected on that stretch. There's a height sensor and warning sign just after 216 street and I have seen it go off before and be ignored.

Edited and that's what happened. The Glover Road bridge is the first overpass after the over-height warning lights.

[Repthe250]

Happened again today at Glover road. Amazing.