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[Acajack]

Originally Posted by leftimage

Caisse's Emond 'extremely proud' of REM's early success

The electric driverless light-rail system has achieved a 99 per cent on-time rate so far, ferrying an average of 25,000 riders per day between Brossard and downtown Montreal.

https://montrealgazette.com/news/loc...-early-success

Well done!!!

Pas pire pantoute.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Pas pire pantoute.

Par contre, on regarde l’OC Transpo puis fait, “Ouate de phoque”…

“Quelqu’un a-t-il dit transit en commun? Quelqu’un??”

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

Par contre, on regarde l’OC Transpo puis fait, “Ouate de phoque”…

Ayayaye!

[J.OT13]

East Stage 2 progress at Blair, the current terminus. Video shows the flyover to the highway median, the triple track section (for a pocket track) along with the significant curve under Blair Road, which City kept from the bus Transitway to save money. Mentioned this on the last page.

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[Acajack]

I just realized that the rapid transit system in Greater Montreal now has stations called Cartier (métro) and Du Quartier (REM). The main part of the name is pronounced the exact same way even if spelled differently.

Am I the only one who thinks this is dumb and could have easily been avoided?

Note that Toronto has stations called Lawrence and Lawrence West and Dundas and Dundas West on its subway system.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I just realized that the rapid transit system in Greater Montreal now has stations called Cartier (métro) and Du Quartier (REM). The main part of the name is pronounced the exact same way even if spelled differently.

Am I the only one who thinks this is dumb and could have easily been avoided?

Note that Toronto has stations called Lawrence and Lawrence West and Dundas and Dundas West on its subway system.

Meanwhile in Ottawa, they renamed Confederation Station on Line 2 in order to not confuse it with the Confederation Line 1, and they chose to rename it Mooney's Bay, for a park that's a 20 minute walk away. Another option would have been Heron, but people would have confused it with the Heron Transitway Station 15 minutes away.

And now, the City/OC Transpo will no longer use "Confederation Line" and "Trillium Line", moving to numbers and colours only, but the station won't be re-re-named.

To answer your question, Cartier and Du Quartier are at least on different systems. I think they should have named Du Quartier "Brossard" and the Brossard Station for Rome Boulevard or after the rail yards and park and ride.

[Coldrsx]

Meanwhile in Edmonton...

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[Nouvellecosse]

There are several cases on the Chicago L where station have the exact same name on the same system such as Western on Blue line and on the Pink line. Both stops are on parts of Western Ave. Would be like if Kennedy Station was named Eglinton without anything to distinguish it from the one on Line 1

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Coldrsx

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Yeah... Line 2 Trillium in Ottawa shut-down May 2020 for "upgrades" and expansion. It was supposed to re-open Summer 2022, but now it looks like end of the year, maybe even early 2024. And it's not a complicated project. A few infill stations, doubling platform length, tiny bit of new double tracking. South extension has a few stations on berms, one elevated. Airport Line 4 was the most complicated being mostly elevated, but that one was mostly done a while ago. And it's diesel. No electrification.

The City could have added a line in the contract requesting the original line be prioritized, but no. Most of the ridership came from Carleton University students. They have to pay for the uPass anyway, so why do we need to provide service? Priority seems to be the rural extension near the southern suburbs.

[J.OT13]

The two western most stations of Stage 2, Line 3 in Ottawa.

Bayshore Station, which will become a major transfer from urban west end buses to the O-Train. Already quite dense, with four new towers proposed adjacent to the station.

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Moodie Station, the terminus where most of Kanata will transfer to the train. Easy cycling distance to DND. Moodie light maintenance and storage yards also include in this video.

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[nname]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Note that Toronto has stations called Lawrence and Lawrence West and Dundas and Dundas West on its subway system.

Vancouver will soon join the league with Granville and South Granville. Not sure if Oak-VGH and Royal Oak count as well, as most people tend to drop the part after the dash...

[p_xavier]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Pas pire pantoute.

I hate "journalists".

Person who has created nothing of practical use in life complains about the situation with such title.

https://www.lapresse.ca/debats/edito...yes-du-rem.php

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by nname

Vancouver will soon join the league with Granville and South Granville. Not sure if Oak-VGH and Royal Oak count as well, as most people tend to drop the part after the dash...

What to do when a system is expansive enough to have multiple stations on the same street?

I know this is not something cities like to do, but sometimes it might be worth naming a station after the main destination, even if it's a private institution. Granville North, for example, could, and maybe should, be renamed Pacific Centre. In Toronto, I can't find anything that could help with the Lawrence situation, but Dundas could be "Dundas Square", and the other "University Health Centre", even though Queen's Park also served that area.

In Ottawa, we have three stations on or near Carling, and they are named Bayshore (for the mall), Lincoln Fields (for the mall in Lincoln Heights) and Dow's Lake (formerly Carling Station, renamed for the nearby lake, part of the Rideau Canal system).

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

To answer your question, Cartier and Du Quartier are at least on different systems. I think they should have named Du Quartier "Brossard" and the Brossard Station for Rome Boulevard or after the rail yards and park and ride.

Or Du Quartier could have been called Dix30, which is what everyone calls the area it's in.

Though that's a commercial name and Quebec toponomy guidelines frown on using commercial names for stuff that is technically public infrastructure, which is what the REM is.

Still there were other options - Lapinière runs right next to the station as well and is even nicer sounding than Du Quartier which is basically Neighbourhood Station or District Station.

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Or Du Quartier could have called Dix30, which is what everyone calls the area it's in.

Though that's a commercial name and Quebec toponomy guidelines frown on using commercial names for stuff that is technically public infrastructure, which is what the REM is.

Still there were other options - Lapinière runs right next to the station as well and is even nicer sounding than Du Quartier which is basically Neighbourhood Station or District Station.

Is that pronounced "dix-trente"?

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

Is that pronounced "dix-trente"?

Yes.

[p_xavier]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Or Du Quartier could have been called Dix30, which is what everyone calls the area it's in.

Though that's a commercial name and Quebec toponomy guidelines frown on using commercial names for stuff that is technically public infrastructure, which is what the REM is.

Still there were other options - Lapinière runs right next to the station as well and is even nicer sounding than Du Quartier which is basically Neighbourhood Station or District Station.

Fairview-Pointe-Claire will be a REM station's name which is commercial. So they could have and Dix-30 would have been a better choice.

There is also Mont-Royal metro station and Ville-de-Mont-Royal REM station.

The absolute fuckery is having the same name stations that are not that close by like in Chicago.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by p_xavier

Fairview-Pointe-Claire will be a REM station's name which is commercial. So they could have and Dix-30 would have been a better choice.

There is also Mont-Royal metro station and Ville-de-Mont-Royal REM station.

The absolute fuckery is having the same name stations that are not that close by like in Chicago.

Good point about Fairview-Pointe-Claire. Makes not naming it Dix30 even dumber then.

[hipster duck]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I just realized that the rapid transit system in Greater Montreal now has stations called Cartier (métro) and Du Quartier (REM). The main part of the name is pronounced the exact same way even if spelled differently.

Am I the only one who thinks this is dumb and could have easily been avoided?

Note that Toronto has stations called Lawrence and Lawrence West and Dundas and Dundas West on its subway system.

It's hard to avoid in North America, given that we have "big" geography: arterial roads that have the same name for 40+ km, physically enormous municipalities, numbered streets, areas that are known by intersection crossing rather than by some ancient village name, etc.

In NYC, the way they get around this is by referring to the line as well as the station. So you'll see a restaurant review for the Upper West Side, where it says "86 St. (1,2,3)", as opposed to 86 St. (6) or 86 St. (Q) or - get this - 86 St. (R) which is not even in Manhattan but in the Bay Ridge section of Brooklyn!

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In Toronto, the TTC and Metrolinx-built operations that will be taken over by the TTC have done a reasonable job to avoid this. The Eglinton Crosstown named all the stations for neighbourhoods to avoid duplication on other lines. So Dufferin is "Fairbank", Bathurst is "Forest Hill", Bayview is "Leaside", etc.

But the Metrolinx-managed GO system is a dog's breakfast of bad station nomenclature:

- "Eglinton" (not to be confused with Eglinton subway station, about 20 km west), is in Scarborough
- "West Harbour" is supposed to be Hamilton's main station, but doesn't even have the word 'Hamilton' in it. This is going to be even more confusing a decade from now when "East Harbour" opens up, which will probably be the third busiest railway station in Canada after Toronto Union and Montreal GC, and just east of downtown Toronto.
- "Allandale Waterfront". Ditto the above for Barrie.
- "Bloor". Nowhere close to Bloor subway station; actually will be connected to Dundas West soon.
- "Scarborough". Redundant station name from 100 years ago when this was Scarborough Junction. Is in Scarborough but nowhere close to the main centre of activity of Scarborough.

And my new least favourite station name in the country:

- "Durham College Oshawa station" (a naming right; the main campus of Durham College in Oshawa is nowhere near this station. The station is somewhat close to the Durham College Whitby campus, but not within easy walking distance, and if you do choose to walk, it's one of the worst walks imaginable!).

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Or Du Quartier could have been called Dix30, which is what everyone calls the area it's in.

Though that's a commercial name and Quebec toponomy guidelines frown on using commercial names for stuff that is technically public infrastructure, which is what the REM is.

Still there were other options - Lapinière runs right next to the station as well and is even nicer sounding than Du Quartier which is basically Neighbourhood Station or District Station.

Forgot about that name. Yes, for sure, that would have made far more sense.

Originally Posted by hipster duck

It's hard to avoid in North America, given that we have "big" geography: arterial roads that have the same name for 40+ km, physically enormous municipalities, numbered streets, areas that are known by intersection crossing rather than by some ancient village name, etc.

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In Toronto, the TTC and Metrolinx-built operations that will be taken over by the TTC have done a reasonable job to avoid this. The Eglinton Crosstown named all the stations for neighbourhoods to avoid duplication on other lines. So Dufferin is "Fairbank", Bathurst is "Forest Hill", Bayview is "Leaside", etc.

But the Metrolinx-managed GO system is a dog's breakfast of bad station nomenclature:

- "Eglinton" (not to be confused with Eglinton subway station, about 20 km west), is in Scarborough
- "West Harbour" is supposed to be Hamilton's main station, but doesn't even have the word 'Hamilton' in it. This is going to be even more confusing a decade from now when "East Harbour" opens up, which will probably be the third busiest railway station in Canada after Toronto Union and Montreal GC, and just east of downtown Toronto.
- "Allandale Waterfront". Ditto the above for Barrie.
- "Bloor". Nowhere close to Bloor subway station; actually will be connected to Dundas West soon.
- "Scarborough". Redundant station name from 100 years ago when this was Scarborough Junction. Is in Scarborough but nowhere close to the main centre of activity of Scarborough.

And my new least favourite station name in the country:

- "Durham College Oshawa station" (a naming right; the main campus of Durham College in Oshawa is nowhere near this station. The station is somewhat close to the Durham College Whitby campus, but not within easy walking distance, and if you do choose to walk, it's one of the worst walks imaginable!).

For what it's worth, I prefer when a street doesn't change names. In Ottawa, it's ridiculous how often some do.

But yeah, that Durham College example is extremally stupid. Why would a college pay for naming rights on a station nowhere near its campuses? And very often, colleges ad universities are served by transit, and used well by the transit dependent students, so this is confusing as hell.

It's worth trying to get some naming rights revenues from property owners/institutions that are nearby (Dix30 would be a good example), but not from way outside the service area.