UBCx - Millennium Line Extension Arbutus to UBC | Proposed

[madog222]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Hasn't the CoV already endorsed the UBC extension?

The letter suggests they will be voting to endorse a specific alignment.

[Feathered Friend]

TransLink considered three proposed station locations within the City to best serve ridership. Early work during this phase identified that two stations, MacDonald Street and Alma Street, were regionally performing. For the third regional station, between Alma and Blanca streets, station options included Jericho Lands or Sasamat Street. Millennium Line UBC Extension Alignment and Integration – RTS 13021 6 Initial analysis indicated that a Jericho Station performs better than a Sasamat Station across strategic objectives...

Since 2008, the lands west of Blanca Street within the University Endowment Lands that currently house the University Golf Club have been owned fee simple by xʷməθkʷəy̓ əm (Musqueam Indian Band). A covenant currently stipulates that the property must remain a golf course until at least 2083. Land use within the UEL is governed directly by the Province through the Ministry of Municipal Affairs. TransLink plans to explore if provision of future stations in this area should be delivered if and when redevelopment of these lands occurs. This could provide an opportunity for a station that could serve both the eastern portion of the University Golf Course and West Point Grey Village in the future.

Anticipated Next Steps
Beyond July 2022 – Subject to direction from decision makers, begin development of business case

https://council.vancouver.ca/20220323/documents/r1.pdf

- I realized this was the right thread for this

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by Feathered Friend

Looks good to me.
But the map should show where Sasamat Street is relative to the selected Jericho Station.

[madog222]

Will this be the first Skytrain station written in a First Nations language?
'Iy'a'l'mexw - Jericho' seems appropriate.

Edit: That is Squamish and would have a different name in Musqueam.

[Migrant_Coconut]

It's "ʔəyalməxʷ" in Squamish, which more or less sounds the same.

Just hope that whatever they go with, it's one clear, distinct name (e.g. Iyalmakh) that everybody can say so that "Jericho" can be dropped altogether.

Originally Posted by officedweller

Looks good to me.
But the map should show where Sasamat Street is relative to the selected Jericho Station.

It is a "recommended" alignment, after all. Sasamat's west of that green rectangle that's supposed to be Trimble Park; from the report, it looks like TransLink wants an Alma-Jericho-Blanca option.

Since 2008, the lands west of Blanca Street within the University Endowment Lands that currently house the University Golf Club have been owned fee simple by xʷməθkʷəy̓ əm (Musqueam Indian Band). A covenant currently stipulates that the property must remain a golf course until at least 2083. Land use within the UEL is governed directly by the Province through the Ministry of Municipal Affairs. TransLink plans to explore if provision of future stations in this area should be delivered if and when redevelopment of these lands occurs. This could provide an opportunity for a station that could serve both the eastern portion of the University Golf Course and West Point Grey Village in the future.

Originally Posted by jollyburger

RE: the vertical alignment



Sounds like they want it all underground?

Looks like this is only for the Vancouver side (because it's for City Council), not the UBC side. There's been previous discussion of an elevated line west of Blanca.

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by madog222

Will this be the first Skytrain station written in a First Nations language?
'Iy'a'l'mexw - Jericho' seems appropriate.

Edit: That is Squamish and would have a different name in Musqueam.

Ew, no.
No one will use the Native American name if they can help it- it's kind of pointless.

Originally Posted by officedweller

Looks good to me.
But the map should show where Sasamat Street is relative to the selected Jericho Station.

The issue is that they would have to bore below a bunch of SFHs if they want to make a detour to the Jericho Lands. Or just bypass the Point Grey 10th Ave commerical district entirely.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by madog222

Will this be the first Skytrain station written in a First Nations language?
'Iy'a'l'mexw - Jericho' seems appropriate.

Edit: That is Squamish and would have a different name in Musqueam.

You assume they'll include both variations in any name.

[Tvisforme]

Originally Posted by fredinno

The issue is that they would have to bore below a bunch of SFHs if they want to make a detour to the Jericho Lands. Or just bypass the Point Grey 10th Ave commerical district entirely.

What would the issue be with a tunnel underneath those homes? Would vibration from the tunnel be felt during normal operation, during construction, or even at all?

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

You assume they'll include both variations in any name.

I support one single "Iyalmakh Station" that upsets all parties equally.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Looks like this is only for the Vancouver side (because it's for City Council), not the UBC side. There's been previous discussion of an elevated line west of Blanca.

I wonder how wide the alignment is in UBC (minus the forested sections)

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Looks good to me.
But the map should show where Sasamat Street is relative to the selected Jericho Station.

I guess it's just past that little green square if that's supposed to be Timble Park.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

I wonder how wide the alignment is in UBC (minus the forested sections)

Good question. University Boulevard can definitely handle losing two lanes, but IIRC they want East Mall, and that's a lot more cramped.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

I support one single "Iyalmakh Station" that upsets all parties equally.

If Jericho is left in the name like "Iyalmakh-Jericho", everyone in 2050 will be calling it "Jericho" Station (See Joyce or Commercial or Production Way).

If the name ends up being "Iyalmakh", everyone in 2050 will be calling it "Yelmick" station.

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Good question. University Boulevard can definitely handle losing two lanes, but IIRC they want East Mall, and that's a lot more cramped.

East Mall is the easy part. UBC would have very few problems closing East Mall completely between University Boulevard and Thunderbird. They've already disconnected the north side of East Mall from the south side, and disconnected it from University Boulevard, the only hiccup is access to the engineering buildings for service vehicles.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by chowhou

If Jericho is left in the name like "Iyalmakh-Jericho", everyone in 2050 will be calling it "Jericho" Station (See Joyce or Commercial or Production Way).

If the name ends up being "Iyalmakh", everyone in 2050 will be calling it "Yelmick" station.
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East Mall is the easy part. UBC would have very few problems closing East Mall completely between University Boulevard and Thunderbird. They've already disconnected the north side of East Mall from the south side, and disconnected it from University Boulevard, the only hiccup is access to the engineering buildings for service vehicles.

Heh, still easier to correct than "Iy'a'l'mexw" or "ʔəyalməxʷ" - just need to figure out the right combination of QWERTY letters to prevent confusion.

Sure, but the viaduct would be bumper to bumper with the facilities beside it. That's going to require some creativity.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by fredinno

The issue is that they would have to bore below a bunch of SFHs if they want to make a detour to the Jericho Lands. Or just bypass the Point Grey 10th Ave commerical district entirely.

I don't see why it can't stay under Broadway as it goes past the Jericho lands and onwards to UBC,
then do the "swerve" just west of Blanca under the golf course lands to get to the University Blvd median
for an elevated portion (if they are using the median).


https://www.google.com/maps/place/43...4d-123.2041989

[nname]

They can call it "Iyalmakh Station" with "Iy'a'l'mexw" or "ʔəyalməxʷ" on the side, similar to what they've done for "Stadium-Chinatown Station" with Chinese. But for maps or official wayfinding signage, only use "Iyalmakh Station" so there won't be any confusion.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by officedweller

I don't see why it can't stay under Broadway as it goes past the Jericho lands and onwards to UBC,
then do the "swerve" just west of Blanca under the golf course lands to get to the University Blvd median
for an elevated portion (if they are using the median).

Methinks they want a future station near Blanca and 10th, given the language used in the report.

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Heh, still easier to correct than "Iy'a'l'mexw" or "ʔəyalməxʷ" - just need to figure out the right combination of QWERTY letters to prevent confusion.

Ya know, I understand why we have an International Phonetic Alphabet. But it's not a layperson's tool and I don't think there's any hope of lay people putting in the time and effort to learn it. If the First Nations really want their language and culture to be appreciated, they would IMHO be a lot further ahead to come up with a "romaji"-like way of representing it using Latin letters that make it possible for us lay people to pronounce.

[madog222]

The non-latin characters are for sounds that don't exist in European languages. It's not like romanizing East Asian languages.

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by madog222

The non-latin characters are for sounds that don't exist in European languages. It's not like romanizing East Asian languages.

Yah, but here's the thing: if the sounds don't exist in European languages then people whose native tongue is one of those languages won't be able to produce them, at least not without training. It's exactly the same issue that Asian people have when trying to pronounce an "L" sound - it comes out as "R" because they don't have the "L" sound in their native language.

So my point is, if there's a desire in the native community to have their names more widely adopted, then the only way to make it happen in this community of non-native speakers is to produce some facsimile of the word that the rest of us can deal with - including writing it in a way that we can readily understand.

If that accommodation can't be made, then the native word will be fated to be ignored in favor of some other word that folks can deal with more easily. Surely that's not the goal, is it?