Largest US and Canadian Cities by Population Density

[jd3189]

Originally Posted by McBane

NYC is in its own tier but even with that, Manhattan is so far ahead of the outer boroughs (Richmond County aka Staten Island is #11 on the list and is still more dense than Baltimore, St. Louis, and Denver).

Well, Manhattan is more “high rise” living than anywhere else in the city and country for that matter. In fact, outside the Asian giants, Manhattan is one of the densest Western areas, along with Paris I believe. Brooklyn, Queens, and Bronx are still dense but they are more low rise in nature. But anyways, NYC is amazing, along with Tokyo, London, and other great world cities. It remains my favorite because Manhattan is just on another level.

[MonkeyRonin]

Originally Posted by Crawford

There is no "technically the world's busiest", obviously. It isn't like there's some intl. data organization rigorously counting pedestrians around the world.

I find it very hard to believe that Shibuya has comparable daily pedestrian counts as Times Square. Both have webcams, obviously, and if you adjust for time of day, I think Times Square is clearly busier.

"Adjust for time of day"? Are you regularly monitoring those webcams at comparable times of day, or did you just google each one's webcam right now and post one from Tokyo that just happens to have been at a rainy 3am and one from New York that happens to be a sunny 2pm?

I mean, yeah, given that snapshot of 3am Shibuya crossing as my frame of reference I'd also have a hard time believing it's busier.

This isn't necessarily a great measure of comparable pedestrian traffic, but 2.4 million people pass through Shibuya station every day, versus 180,000 at Times Square-42nd Street station. Now, Shibuya station is a more important multi-modal transit terminal than Times Square station and most of those people probably aren't even exiting the station; but it nonetheless has a much larger pool of people to draw from - which tells me it's more likelier to be the busier of the two (since in either case, most people travelling there will be doing so by transit).

[JManc]

Originally Posted by Crawford

Hudson County, functionally, is basically an Outer Borough. It has a central city- Manhattan.

And it would have closer density to Brooklyn/Bronx/Queens but a big portion of the county consists of the empty Meadowlands.

Shhhhhhh. Don't tell New Jersey that...

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by MonkeyRonin

"Adjust for time of day"? Are you regularly monitoring those webcams at comparable times of day, or did you just google each one's webcam right now and post one from Tokyo that just happens to have been at a rainy 3am and one from New York that happens to be a sunny 2pm?

First, you're the one who made the ridiculous claim. You're obviously free to view webcams at any time of your choosing. Webcams aren't "fakenews" and not my fault if you now can't be bothered to look.

Originally Posted by MonkeyRonin

This isn't necessarily a great measure of comparable pedestrian traffic, but 2.4 million people pass through Shibuya station every day, versus 180,000 at Times Square-42nd Street station.

Except those aren't remotely accurate numbers, and have nothing to do with surface pedestrian counts.

[Pedestrian]

Is America’s densest city ready to make room?
By Alexandra Lange Sep 12, 2018, 11:03am EDT

At its current rate of growth, Brooklyn is about to be more populous than the entire city of Chicago.

Saying “we need more housing” is a given, but no one agrees on where, how high, and for whom. And New York has been later to that discussion than San Francisco, Seattle, and Los Angeles: While the city is building housing, technically, it is nowhere near enough to meet the needs of 144,000 new Kings County residents since 2010.

All of this zooms into sharp focus on a 60,000-square-foot trapezoidal block straddling scenic Boerum Hill and high-traffic Flatbush Avenue. The proposed mixed-use project known as 80 Flatbush will include two high-rise towers, with offices below and 900 residences above. Twenty percent of its apartments will be affordable, and two existing historic brick buildings will be repurposed as a cultural facility and retail space. Two schools will be built, underwritten by the Educational Construction Fund (ECF), which creates schools on underutilized city sites without public funding.

The developers are seeking a change to the city’s zoning laws in order to build bigger and more dense, but have run into opposition from some Boerum Hill residents, who view the project as out of scale with their low-slung neighborhood. The City Council will decide its fate soon, perhaps by the end of this month.

The debate over 80 Flatbush is not just about one complex, of course—it embodies the battle occurring in expensive cities across the land. It is about how a city as dense as New York should build its way out of a housing crisis and insufficient community facilities. 80 Flatbush represents the private sector strategy: more market-rate units funding the affordable ones, plus schools, open public space, and cultural hubs . . . .

. . . Cobble Hill and Boerum Hill are historic districts, which means no towers can be built in the section with continuous 19th-century houses. But having established that boundary, we can’t keep pushing out the edges. Avenues deserve density—and maybe those new residents will push for the dedicated bus lane Atlantic Avenue deserves.

Brooklyn needs new housing on major arteries near transit. Brooklyn needs new schools. Subsidized apartments cannot all be located in remote locations . . . .

https://ny.curbed.com/2018/9/12/1784...building-yimby