Mountain West Microbrew: Chit chat and irrelevancy - Page 64

Scottk · #**1261** Posted **Feb 13, 2014, 12:53 AM**

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Originally Posted by Stenar

Wait a second. Not only do you have the vertical rise for both steamboat and Breckenridge totally wrong (both have significantly larger verts as I pointed out in my last post) but you also claim that powder mountain is the largest ski area in the US?

That's a pretty misleading thing to say considering the vast majority of the terrain at powder mountain is actually cat skiing and can not be accessed by the general public.

Vail, on the other hand is America's largest actual lift served ski resort

PLANSIT · #**1262** Posted **Feb 13, 2014, 12:57 AM**

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Originally Posted by Scottk

Wait a second. Not only do you have the vertical rise for both steamboat and Breckenridge totally wrong (both have significantly larger verts as I pointed out in my last post) but you also claim that powder mountain is the largest ski area in the US?

That's a pretty misleading thing to say considering the vast majority of the terrain at powder mountain is actually cat skiing and can not be accessed by the general public.

Vail, on the other hand is America's largest actual lift served ski resort

Yeah, I took his "research" apart in THIS POST

Scottk · #**1263** Posted **Feb 13, 2014, 1:09 AM**

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Originally Posted by Stenar

SLC
48 miles of light rail and streetcar track
88 miles of commuter rail track
131 bus lines

Denver
47 miles of light rail track
127 bus lines

I do not know if you have heard about FastTracks, but Denver will soon be opening 70 plus miles of new commuter rail track within the next 10 years

CONative · #**1264** Posted **Feb 13, 2014, 1:19 AM**

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Originally Posted by Scottk

I do not know if you have heard about FastTracks, but Denver will soon be opening 70 plus miles of new commuter rail track within the next 10 years

...all of those miles WILL be in the actual Denver metro area that is recognized by the U.S Census. A lot of those miles are under construction and will open less than 2 years from now.

Stenar · #**1265** Posted **Feb 13, 2014, 2:09 AM**

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Originally Posted by bunt_q

Well, if we're just picking random ski resorts for our averages, you can't leave out El Colorado Ski Center. In which case, the average distance for Denver ski resorts is closer to 2,000 miles.

I didn't pick random ski resorts. I picked every ski resort within 3 hours of Denver.

Stenar · #**1266** Posted **Feb 13, 2014, 2:11 AM**

I'm talking about the distance from Denver proper, not the suburbs. If you're going to count suburbs, we have several ski resorts about 10 minutes from Sandy and Cottonwood Heights.

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Originally Posted by CONative

It's that Utah brainwashing that I was referring to. Eldora Mountain resort is actually only 30-35 minutes from the northwest suburbs of Denver metro. Obviously not all 2.9 million people live in the city proper. Winter Park is 1.3 hours from Denver (1 hour from western suburbs). Loveland is 1 hour from Denver (45 minutes from western suburbs). SLC doesn't have eastern suburbs, so they can't seem to fathom that there are 600,000 people that live west of Denver proper in the metro.

Just because Colorado has many more resorts throughout the state than Utah does -- doesn't mean they have to be near Denver either. Some folks actually like to get away and see the stars without the light pollution of SLC metro. :-)

..but anyway, it's not all about the ski resorts. SLC hangs on their ski booster that with all their might.

PLANSIT · #**1267** Posted **Feb 13, 2014, 2:36 AM**

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Originally Posted by Stenar

I didn't pick random ski resorts. I picked every ski resort within 3 hours of Denver.

You do realize that there are 26 ski resorts in Colorado, right? And a majority of them are within that 3 hour drive. But you picked "every ski resort" within 3 hours of Denver. Did you miss a couple? Is there more to your list?

List of resorts within 3 hr drive of Denver:

Eldora
Loveland
A-Basin
Winter Park
Keystone
Breck
Vail
Copper
Ski Granby
Beaver Creek
Aspen Mtn.
Aspen Highlands
Snowmass
Buttermilk
Steamboat
Howelson
Ski Cooper
Monarch
Sunlight

The Aspen mountains are a bit of a stretch at 3 hours, but doable. (I only included them, because you did)

Brock Landers · #**1268** Posted **Feb 13, 2014, 2:40 AM**

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Originally Posted by Stenar

I didn't pick random ski resorts. I picked every ski resort within 3 hours of Denver.

First, Aspen is not within three hours of Denver. [Edit - apparently Steamboat is barely within three hours from Denver with a generic Denver to Steamboat route]

Second, what you're saying is that you averaged the distance to every ski resort within three hours of Denver, and the average distance is 180 miles? So if you're traveling 60 miles per hour, the average time to get to any ski resort within three hours of Denver is.... three hours? I think you need to check your math.

CONative · #**1269** Posted **Feb 13, 2014, 2:42 AM**

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Originally Posted by Stenar

I'm talking about the distance from Denver proper, not the suburbs. If you're going to count suburbs, we have several ski resorts about 10 minutes from Sandy and Cottonwood Heights.

Which ski resorts are 10 minutes from Sandy? I'd like to see that. Maybe 20.

You have no problem including Provo and Ogden in your statistics to boost your metro statistics, but then you want to pick and choose where people live in the Denver metro to their nearest ski resorts.

bunt_q · #**1270** Posted **Feb 13, 2014, 3:05 AM**

There is no way on God's green earth that either Aspen or Monarch are within a 3 hour drive of Denver. Unless you're driving a flying Delorean to the slopes.

Maybe you haven't experienced this in Utah, not having real mountains and all. But you cannot trust Google maps in the mountains. I grew up skiing Monarch being from Colorado Springs, and I still try and get back a couple times per year. Never have made it in 3.

EDIT: caveat, Aspen is not that accessible in the winter. In the summer, when Independence Pass is open, maybe. But again, real mountain roads that close in the winter are probably not something Utah folk would know about.

ToysNoiz · #**1271** Posted **Feb 13, 2014, 4:27 AM**

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Originally Posted by bunt_q

Maybe you haven't experienced this in Utah, not having real mountains and all.

I'm sorry dear sir..... say all you want about SLC......... but you can't argue that Utah doesn't have REAL MOUNTAINS. I think we can all agree.

Scottk · #**1272** Posted **Feb 13, 2014, 4:28 AM**

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Originally Posted by Stenar

I didn't pick random ski resorts. I picked every ski resort within 3 hours of Denver.

No you didn't.

You picked resorts in Utah that are all very close to salt lake city. Then selected Colorado ski resorts that were all far as fuck away from the Denver metro area. It was a completely unfair comparison.

Mountains like loveland, eldora, Abasin, copper, etc, are all within an hour and a half of denver but you use Steamboat and Aspen for comparison?

Apples to oranges

bunt_q · #**1273** Posted **Feb 13, 2014, 4:36 AM**

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Originally Posted by ToysNoiz

I'm sorry dear sir..... say all you want about SLC......... but you can't argue that Utah doesn't have REAL MOUNTAINS. I think we can all agree.

No, we cannot all agree. If somebody from Alaska or Nepal wants to mock our mountains, I'll concede. Just like you and your molehills will have to concede in comparison to Colorado.

ToysNoiz · #**1274** Posted **Feb 13, 2014, 4:48 AM**

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Originally Posted by bunt_q

No, we cannot all agree. If somebody from Alaska or Nepal wants to mock our mountains, I'll concede. Just like you and your molehills will have to concede in comparison to Colorado.

Yeah.. what molehills....