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Old Posted May 10, 2012, 9:50 PM
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Angry What.... the hell?!?!?!?!??!?!??!

I'm sorry if this also pisses people off, but from the start, I should have been a supporter for rebuilding the Twin Towers taller and better than before. If the change of the spire is actually going to be done, then I can't be happy with this tower no matter how new or advanced it may be. I always had a problem with 1 WTC, from the absence of an outdoor observation deck to the fact that it will be only 104 or 86 floors tall when the buildings before it were 110 floors each and also included an outdoor deck. The WTC was already good the way it was before 9/11. They practically took an idea for a taller proposal in Lower Manhattan and reverted to some mere replacement for what was there before, and if anyone is wondering what that proposal was, it was the NYSE tower, that would have went to 1,776 or more to the roof and 2,000 ft via a spire. It was suppose to succeed the Twins and become not only the tallest in the city and country, but it would have returned the WTB title to the USA if 9/11 never happened. When this building was first proposed, it was supposed to be the tallest in the world as well, but years of delays and retarded disputes have made it be only the 3rd tallest in the country and in the global stage, just behind some Chinese supertall nobody really knows about. This would have been taller than the Sears by rooftop if they just stayed with the spire and made a skypod similar to what's in the CN tower, and to a lesser extent, the 102nd floor of the ESB, which are both counted toward roof height. This complex was suppose to be ground breaking, but now it's just some cheap-ass crap you see around Times Square. I believe the reason why New Yorkers and Americans in general don't care anymore is because most of them still want the Twins to be rebuilt. They were the landmarks of Lower Manhattan and of NYC at the time, and now a underachiever is taking their place. 1 WTC will never be the WTB, it will never be America's tallest, and it won't even be NYC's tallest for a good amount of time. 432 Park will succeed it, but it's not worthy of hold that title. I truly want the Metlife North Building to be built to be the tallest in the USA by a good chunk, but not many see this happening. The way I look at it, the only thing to be happy about in the new WTC right now is the memorial plaza, but even that has its faults since the waterfalls flowing down to two pairs of holes seem to repeating the same action that happened on 9/11. Unless the spire is being built as planned, I deem this whole project a piece of shit compared to the original WTC. Too many great aspects were put down for nothing when they could have easily reconfigure the building, like they disappointingly did just now. I have lost hope and for the moderators that might delete this point because of my many references to the old WTC, so be it.The least they could have done with the spire is made it similar to the old one in the North Tower. The one they're trying to make us accept does not blend in with the bloody design of the rest of the tower at all. It's some skinny syringe that has no place in New York's tallest. Dunst would be shot dead. Yeah, I'm serious. This is an eyesore every person in the Tri-state area on this part of the Eastern Seaboard will have to look at and face every damn day. Again, if this is official, I could honestly care less now. I'm all for Twin Towers, either in this city or another somewhere else. Wouldn't even care if someone crashes a plane into this tower, as it isn't worth shit anymore to me. It isn't worth shit to anyone. Sorry to curse, but I know for a fact everyone is equally pissed off at this travesty. There is hope, but that would require many to care, and whenever I go to an article or a video with comments online for 1 WTC, barely anyone sees the importance of this tower. But, it's all good. I won't be looking forward for anything for this nation. As Zapatan said, America is just gonna fail one day because of the greedy bastards in Wall Street, and they have finally won in messing up 1WTC for the rest of us.


Had to rant. Because it bothers me that things could have went better after the recent height gain, but instead went bad. Hopefully that re-design SOM is doing will include something other than the radome, but that's slim. At this point until something good comes up, I don't give a damn.
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Old Posted May 10, 2012, 9:59 PM
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I may be wrong but supposedly wasnt the spire already made and sitting in sections somewhere?
     
     
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Old Posted May 10, 2012, 10:14 PM
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Yes, the whole mast is being stored at the ADF Group steel shop in Quebec.
     
     
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Old Posted May 10, 2012, 10:17 PM
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Yes, the whole mast is being stored at the ADF Group steel shop in Quebec.
So basically The Derp Organization is stupid and wasting money to "save" money. Why change it now if it's already fabricated?
     
     
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Old Posted May 10, 2012, 10:17 PM
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I may be wrong but supposedly wasnt the spire already made and sitting in sections somewhere?
Yes I posted some pictures of it back in march i think. Heres the link. http://www.adfgroup.com/projets/edifices/highrises.html
     
     
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Old Posted May 10, 2012, 10:24 PM
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So basically The Derp Organization is stupid and wasting money to "save" money. Why change it now if it's already fabricated?
Because they're not redesigning anything, nor modificating the mast, just removing the protective shell or radome.


1WTC | Mast and radome enclosure by Otie O'Daniel, on Flickr
     
     
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Old Posted May 10, 2012, 10:26 PM
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Then doesn't that mean they could put the radome in later?
     
     
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Old Posted May 10, 2012, 10:27 PM
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This is confusing as hell. One day its going to be 1776 feet, the next, 1368, the next 1374, and now back to 1776 according CBU?? What the hell is the final height going to be? Do these builders have Tourette's or something? So, roof will be 1374 now? So they are raising it from 1368?
     
     
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Old Posted May 10, 2012, 10:28 PM
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Then doesn't that mean they could put the radome in later?
Now that's a more interesting question. While leaving the enclosure work pending is a great idea, it's late installation would require to shut down all the antennas already set up by a long period of time, a requirement companies wouldn't be glad to hear. In the broadcast industry maintenance personel have usually very few minutes to get their job done, now imagine the time needed to erect every single section of the radome.

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Old Posted May 10, 2012, 10:39 PM
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Yes I posted some pictures of it back in march i think. Heres the link. http://www.adfgroup.com/projets/edifices/highrises.html
I really don't like the fact they chose to devalue the architecture of 1 WTC once again. Truly dissapointing.

Oh well, if things don't work out and 1 WTC is ruined with that junky antennae I really hope the mast is used for another project (preferably in NYC) because it would look good on many of them, 15 Penn especially.
     
     
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Old Posted May 10, 2012, 10:44 PM
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I just don't understand how the architects and builders are just now realizing that it would be difficult to fix the spire... what have they been doing for the past years?
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Old Posted May 10, 2012, 10:52 PM
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I just don't understand how the architects and builders are just now realizing that it would be difficult to fix the spire... what have they been doing for the past years?
Exactly my sentiments! This supposedly is the most expensive skyscraper ever built and has taken a whole decade to complete, when each Twin Tower took about 2 years?? And all of a sudden those idiots at Durst realize, "oops", the spire would be too hard to maintain? Hell no. That's bullshit. They don't give a damn about aesthetics, they just got scared that they'd have to spend too much money maintaining the spire...So where the hell was Durst in the past 8 years? Or when SOM submitted their detailed plans for the spire? It's snake in the grass tactics. The whole project has been mismanaged. Two World Trade Center is hideously ugly, like someone took a chainsaw and sheared off the top, and now 1wtc won't have the beautiful spire/beacon? They should have listened to Donald Trump and built the Twin Towers II. But since nothing in this country ever seems to get done anymore, I guess we should be glad we are getting something on the site..At least it will be a vague imitation of one of the old towers. Could be worse I guess....I just don't like these underhanded last-minute alterations...
     
     
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Old Posted May 10, 2012, 10:59 PM
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I just don't understand how the architects and builders are just now realizing that it would be difficult to fix the spire... what have they been doing for the past years?
Because it's not. It's simply an excuse from the Durst organization in order to save a couple of dollars.

I wish there was a way to boycott the Durst organization or expose their business tactics. This is shameful.
     
     
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Old Posted May 10, 2012, 11:05 PM
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Does The Durst Organization really have and finale say does the port authority or SOM have any saying on the matter ?
     
     
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Old Posted May 10, 2012, 11:07 PM
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Does The Durst Organization really have and finale say
Supposedly so, according to every article I've read on this that mentions Durst.
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Old Posted May 10, 2012, 11:14 PM
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Hell no! Those bastards need to be kicked out of the project immediately. If they are too lazy to manage the spire, then they need to leave 1 WTC and settle for the Hudson Yards or any of the projects popping up in the West Side. This is just too pitiful to deal with.
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Old Posted May 10, 2012, 11:16 PM
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Already saw this rendering, but it is bigger and is in more detail so I am going to post it again. Can't zoom in any closer.

Design change looks like shit. Nice render though.

I just got a new PC, but I'm not even going to bother installing 3DS Max just to recreate this atrocious outcome.
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Old Posted May 10, 2012, 11:21 PM
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The stripped antenna looks so awful I just can't put it into words. It looks like some awful ugly piece of Soviet architecture from the old Soviet Union, and we all know how great the Russians are at architecture right? Haha not!! Looks like some piece of barbed wire strands up there in that rendering.
     
     
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Old Posted May 10, 2012, 11:22 PM
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I have to say that it doesn't look terrible from that render, though it's a far cry from what should be. Once the ring fills out with equipment it will look more visually tolerable.
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