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Old Posted Nov 8, 2010, 2:27 AM
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A cool rendering from city-data.com

     
     
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Cool, though it's the same as the one on page 8. Eventually we'll get a more detailed version of the towers if its to move forward in that exact configuration.
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To add to that, no site prep has begun either.
What site prep? The site sits on top of the Penn Station tracks. I would think that there would need to be some official, and serious relocating of the tracks and some service changes before anything can begin.
     
     
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They were beginning some "initial" site prep for the the platform. All things came to a halt however. A recap of the Brookfield/Manhattan West saga...



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http://ny.therealdeal.com/articles/9008

Brookfield plans Manhattan West near Hudson Yards

02/07/08

Brookfield Properties has announced that it will develop a three-acre rail yard between Hudson Yards and Penn Station. Brookfield will begin building a platform over the rail yards in June.

The 5.4 million square feet of new office and mixed-use space will be called Manhattan West. The first tower at the $600 million development, which runs from 31st to 33rd Streets and Ninth Avenue to the Lincoln Tunnel, could be built by 2013. Brookfield is one of five developers to bid on Hudson Yards.



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The size of the development has increased from the original size, and it seems the 4 tower plan has also officially been scrapped:

http://www.observer.com/2008/brookfi...de-development

Brookfield Says It’s Making Progress With Merrill, West Side Development

by Eliot Brown
February 7, 2008

....It also looks like things have progressed a bit with Brookfield and its plans for an office complex two blocks west of Penn Station. When we last checked in with CEO Ric Clark in December, he told us that the site was likely to have two large office buildings, with about 5 million square feet in full.

Mr. Clark said today construction of a platform over the rail yards on the site would start as early as June, with completion in 2010. The new $600 million complex would be done by 2013, but Mr. Clark did not say in the call that he had an anchor tenant lined up, and without one, it would seem less likely that construction of the towers would start.



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Work to Begin on Platform Over Tracks on the West Side

By CHARLES V. BAGLI
February 21, 2008

Despite a flagging economy, Brookfield Properties says it will start work in June on a $600 million platform over railroad tracks near Ninth Avenue, where it plans to build two towering office buildings.

Brookfield, a major commercial landlord in Manhattan, has owned the property between Ninth and Dyer Avenues, between 31st and 33rd Streets, for more than 22 years. But it has had difficulty luring a prominent company to what has long been regarded as Manhattan’s last real estate frontier.

The company now says the time is ripe to begin work. Development is pushing westward, and the site is only one block west of Pennsylvania Station. The vacancy rate for Manhattan office buildings is still relatively low, and the credit markets should recover fairly quickly from the subprime mortgage crisis, said Richard B. Clark, chief executive of Brookfield. “For a long time, we believed that the West Side would be the city’s next commercial zone,” Mr. Clark said. “It’s clear that the time is now to make something of this site.”

Brookfield’s project is no simple matter. More than half of the five-acre site is over railroad tracks, which extend from Pennsylvania Station to the West Side railyards. Brookfield must build a three-acre platform, while trains continue to run below, before it can start putting up its first building. It hopes to sign a major tenant during the two years the job is expected to take.

Brookfield’s architect, Skidmore, Owings & Merrill, has designed two towers, a 1.9-million-square-foot building at the northeast corner of the site and a 3.4-million-square-foot building at the southeast corner.

In many respects, the project is a warm-up for the West Side railyards, where five developers are competing for the development rights. At the railyards, between 10th and 12th Avenues, from 30th to 34th Streets, developers will have to build two 13-acre platforms, at an estimated cost of $1.5 billion. They would then have the right to build 12 million square feet of high-rise office and residential buildings. Brookfield is one of the companies expected to submit a second round of bids to the Metropolitan Transportation Authority on Tuesday. But with concerns about the economy growing, many real estate executives and government officials worry that developers may reduce their offers.

Brookfield is not alone in pushing forward with new office projects. Even so, some real estate executives warn that some of those projects could be postponed, especially if the developer lacks an anchor tenant, and new buildings may not rise over the West Side railyards for years.

Over the past five years, developers have largely ignored office projects in favor of erecting lucrative residential towers, even though the destruction of the World Trade Center sharply reduced available office space. In that time, developers built only 16 commercial buildings with a total of 14.4 million square feet, according to the Real Estate Board of New York.

As companies expanded, space became tight and commercial rents soared, with many prime buildings now fetching more than $100 a square foot in annual rent. So developers are once again putting up office towers, some without an anchor tenant. There are four towers under construction, with a combined total of 6.7 million square feet, and another four towers with 11.3 million square feet planned.

SJP Properties is building a 1.1-million-square-foot tower at Eighth Avenue and 42nd Street. To the north, Boston Properties is excavating a site between 54th and 55th Streets for a 39-story, 1-million-square-foot building that is scheduled to be finished in 2010. A year from now, Boston Properties and its partner, Related Companies, plan to start a second tower, with 900,000 square feet, at Eighth Avenue between 45th and 46th Streets.

“We obviously continue to feel good about west Midtown,” said Robert E. Selsam, senior vice president of Boston Properties.

At the World Trade Center site, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey is building the 2.6-million-square-foot Freedom Tower, and JPMorgan Chase has signed a deal to erect a 1.3-million-square-foot building nearby. And on Church Street, the developer Larry Silverstein is beginning work on what will be three 60-story skyscrapers with a total of 6.2 million square feet.

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Next Hudson Yards developer could have easier time

By Alec Appelbaum
5/14/08

Brookfield Properties, which is building a three-acre site near Hudson Yards that it calls Manhattan West on a deck from Ninth to Dyer avenues and from 31st to 33rd Streets, dropped out before the second round of bidding began. Spokeswoman Melissa Coley said pre-construction work on the deck has begun, with plans to start construction next month and finish by as early as 2013. The project could contain 5.4 million square feet with a mix of uses, she said.



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Brookfield hasn't yet started Ninth Ave. platform
Firm said development would begin by summer


Daniel Geiger
9/23/2008

A spokesman for Brookfield, Matthew Cherry, wouldn’t characterize the situation as a delay and said that the company wasn’t backing away from building on the site because of the uncertain economy and tumult in the financial sector. He said that work was going on to ready the site but wouldn’t give a timeframe for when the project could begin.


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I suppose that lovely proposal will never get built, like so much other supertall projects around the globe....
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^What are you talking about? This one will probably get built.
     
     
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I suppose that lovely proposal will never get built, like so much other supertall projects around the globe....
yea this one has a great chance
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I would believe every single project stalled at the moment will, at some point, be built to some extent or another. All depends on market demands, which at the moment is slowly increasing.
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is there a rendering of this with 15 Penn and empire state ?
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is there a rendering of this with 15 Penn and empire state ?
there you go

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I suppose that lovely proposal will never get built, like so much other supertall projects around the globe....
Never assume something will not be built because it isn't being built today. There's a reason why there are construction booms, but particularly in today's climate, developments have been stalled worldwide. In New Yorks case, you not only look at what's being built, you also look at what's not being built, and that's new office space. Sure there's the WTC, but that's not the traditional new office space that will be built in Midtown. The city forsaw the need for future expansion on the west side, and thus the Hudson Yards rezoning was approved, which this is a part of.
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Hudson Yards

Can someone please explain to me the difference between the 3 Hudson Boulevard tower and the One/Two Manhattan West buildings? Is it an either/or scenario, or are they different projects?

I'm asking this because, I hear a lot of people complaining that 15 Penn Plaza will block the Empire State Building from the west (I personally don't mind that it does). But wouldn't 3 Hudson and One Manhattan West -- both over 1,000 feet -- be built within the same three block span (31st to 34th), just on different avenues?

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^^Manhattan West is a separate project from the main yards. As for blocking the views, yes they will be in the same general line. Don't let the NIMBYS know or they'll be opposing these too, as ridiculous as it is.
     
     
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^^Manhattan West is a separate project from the main yards. As for blocking the views, yes they will be in the same general line. Don't let the NIMBYS know or they'll be opposing these too, as ridiculous as it is.
Thank you. Have the final plans for 3 Hudson and One Manhattan West been approved yet? And is there a rendering out there that includes the final places of 3 Hudson, One Manhattan's two towers, and the 15 Penn Plaza building view from the west (with the ESB in the background?)..

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I don't like it that much (although some new tall buildings always contribute to the cityscape). It is too sleek and bland at the same time IMO.
     
     
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I hear a lot of people complaining that 15 Penn Plaza will block the Empire State Building from the west (I personally don't mind that it does). But wouldn't 3 Hudson and One Manhattan West -- both over 1,000 feet -- be built within the same three block span (31st to 34th), just on different avenues?

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Just ignore those people. For one, it would have to be a very specific vantage point for this building to block the ESB. For that reason, you could argue that any number of towers around the city blocks the view of the ESB. As for the other Hudson Yards towers, some people are only capable of forming an opinion on what is in front of them, and not on what might be. In other words, there's a reason that rendering of the Manhattan West/15 Penn/Hudson Yards model was put before the council.









People complain about the bulk and height of 15 Penn, where the largest of the Manhattan West duo is bulkier and about the same height, if not taller. The diffence between locations is a matter of a few blocks. Yet, Manhattan West, like all of the Hudson Yards developments, is an as of right development, its what the city allows. Surely a building just a bit closer to Penn Station deserves as much.




Compared to some other Hudson Yards behemoths...





The original Hudson Yards zoning (commercial towers in blue), and specific zoning for the two Manhattan West towers...(729A - 729B)
For location comparison, 3 Hudson is 706A and the site of the former World Product Center is 705A. The site of the proposed stadium was later rezoned for even more towers.







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Just ignore those people. For one, it would have to be a very specific vantage point for this building to block the ESB. For that reason, you could argue that any number of towers around the city blocks the view of the ESB. As for the other Hudson Yards towers, some people are only capable of forming an opinion on what is in front of them, and not on what might be. In other words, there's a reason that rendering of the Manhattan West/15 Penn/Hudson Yards model was put before the council.
Only a few of those photos actually showed up on the post. I do not mind that they will "block" ESB. I personally think that's the neat part about Manhattan's skyline: That something you can see 20 miles away can't necessarily be seen just 3 blocks away. I was just curious of all three of these projects were still on course. Because that'd be a pretty powerful addition to the Midtown skyline. Also, the Tower Verra looks beautiful.

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Never mind, I see them. So from west to east it'll be Hudson, then Manhattan West, then 15 Penn, then ESB -- all over 1,000 feet. That'll be beautiful.
     
     
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Does anybody know if this project got approved???????
     
     
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Compared to some other Hudson Yards behemoths...


Whats that tower in the middle? Is that an older version of 3 Hudson Boulevard?
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