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Old Posted May 15, 2018, 3:00 PM
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Putting the stadium at limeridge would be a horrible idea....in the suburbs with horrible traffic already ....the NIMBYs would fight it ....and the city would look so ameture by moving the stadium out of the dt core .... Why would you not want the crowds in the core?!? Next to the transit lines and LRT ....
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Old Posted May 15, 2018, 3:06 PM
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Putting the stadium at limeridge would be a horrible idea....in the suburbs with horrible traffic already ....the NIMBYs would fight it ....and the city would look so ameture by moving the stadium out of the dt core .... Why would you not want the crowds in the core?!? Next to the transit lines and LRT ....
Indeed. FOC is already in an ideal location - moving a main arena out to the suburbs is a recipe for disaster. Keeping it DT should be the priority.
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Old Posted May 15, 2018, 4:37 PM
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Putting the stadium at limeridge would be a horrible idea....in the suburbs with horrible traffic already ....the NIMBYs would fight it ....and the city would look so ameture by moving the stadium out of the dt core .... Why would you not want the crowds in the core?!? Next to the transit lines and LRT ....
Some higher-ups with the Bulldogs are not behind the LRT. Some suburban councillors have got in their ear.
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I'm hearing Limeridge Mall. From a very good source.

Limeridge would be a terrible idea. Wrong location. Donna Skelly is driving the suburb arena idea, but she’ll be a provincial mpp in a couple of months. Plus you can bet the lower city cllrs will fight for the arena downtown.

Edit: i did hear some talk from bulldogs staff that they felt they could significantly increase season tickets if they build their arena where their fans are, which they seem to believe is the mountain. Dont agree with it though. LRT would be great for the bulldogs. Think of all the mac students they could lure, as well as east end residents.
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Some higher-ups with the Bulldogs are not behind the LRT. Some suburban councillors have got in their ear.
If they’re going to pay 100% of the cost they can build it wherever they want. Every arena in canada is built downtown for good reason however. Traffic is already a mess by the mall. When i go to a concert or game i want to head out downtown for nightlife, not some suburban chain restaurant in a parking lot.

I dont see Carmens and their LA contacts building their entertainment district at limeridge mall. Carmens is very invested in the core as evidenced by moving their head office downtown.
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The city missed a great opportunity to put Tim Hortons Field right by Mac. There is a plot of land on Aberdeen and Longwood and I’m sure the city could have made a move to get it. The area is directly off the highway, in very close distance to Mac and in a 4km radius of 6 schools. The area has lots of parking and is near several bus routes. Now Tims is in downtown in a not very ideal location with minimal parking nearby.

I’m not saying a new arena should be built there but during the school year, I’m sure tons of Mac students would flee to the arena to witness hockey games and concerts since it’s in very close range to student homes.
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I'm hearing Limeridge Mall. From a very good source.
It would be a colossal disaster to take the arena out of the downtown. Why would we take a sports and entertainment destination like that and put it in the suburbs? Makes no sense.
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The city missed a great opportunity to put Tim Hortons Field right by Mac. There is a plot of land on Aberdeen and Longwood and I’m sure the city could have made a move to get it. The area is directly off the highway, in very close distance to Mac and in a 4km radius of 6 schools. The area has lots of parking and is near several bus routes. Now Tims is in downtown in a not very ideal location with minimal parking nearby.

I’m not saying a new arena should be built there but during the school year, I’m sure tons of Mac students would flee to the arena to witness hockey games and concerts since it’s in very close range to student homes.
This was probably the most absolutely idiotic thing Hamilton has ever done. Unless they cancel the LRT. Then I am just going to be seething for the next 10 years at city council.

Especially when they decide to do the B-Line LRT in 15 years after it is way too late.
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Another heavyweight woos City of Hamilton venues
SMG which manages more than 200 facilities worldwide is headquartered in Philadelphia but owned by Onex a Canadian firm

https://www.thespec.com/opinion-stor...milton-venues/

Hamilton's downtown entertainment facilities have attracted another solid-gold suitor.

SMG, a global sports, entertainment and venue management player, has notified city officials it's also interested in bidding for the rights to manage the city-owned arena, concert hall and convention centre.

"If the city is going to have a competitive bidding process for the entertainment facilities, SMG would be interested in looking at the opportunity," Harry Cann, SMG regional vice-president of Canadian operations, said in an interview,

The company's interest comes fast on the heels of a similar unsolicited offer from the Hamilton-based Carmen's Group and its new partner the Oak View Group, a major Los Angeles-based event booking, venue management and development company.

Both proposals arrive as the city is wrestling with contract expirations and renewals at the three buildings.

Spectra, a multibillion-dollar venue, hospitality and sports and entertainment company based in Philadelphia, holds the existing five-year management contract for FirstOntario Centre and FirstOntario Concert Hall. Carmen's holds the contract for the convention centre but is now making a play to run all three venues.

Both the Spectra and Carmen's contracts expire Dec. 31. The city needs to notify them if it intends to renew the contracts no later than August 3.

This sudden eruption of new proposals means city staff will have to present recommendations to council as soon as possible. Options could include simply rolling over the existing contracts for another five years or opening them up to a full or limited competitive bidding process.

SMG, which manages more than 200 facilities worldwide, is headquartered in Philadelphia but owned by Onex Corp., a Canadian firm based in Toronto. The company is no stranger to the Hamilton venues.

SMG unsuccessfully took part in the original 2013 process, which saw council scrap the city agency HECFI and turn management of the former Copps Coliseum and Hamilton Place over to Spectra and the Convention Centre to Carmen's.

Back then, SMG partnered with Hamilton's Sonic Unyon and Forum Equity, a Toronto development company. Sonic Unyon is an independent record label with organizing links to the award-winning annual Supercrawl festival downtown.

Cann says SMG doesn't know if this time around they would bid by themselves or partner with others. "We'd have to look at the scope of the procurement and the goals of the city for the venues."

Mayor Fred Eisenberger is "delighted" by this rush of interest from the heavyweight companies. He says it speaks well for the standing of the facilities and city as a whole.

"They see opportunity and that opportunity bodes well for the city in terms of our subsidy and facility management, as well as future development."

Council privatized management of the three venues in 2013 to reduce swelling taxpayer subsidies. Between them, Spectra and Carmen's have now saved the city an estimated $5 million.

Under the current contract, Spectra still receives an annual $1.4 million subsidy from the city. Carmen's, having eliminated its subsidy, suggests it can provide "improved financial arrangements" if given the chance to run all three facilities.

Spectra regional vice-president Tim Murphy says his company is pleased with it's track record in Hamilton, its partnership with concert promoter Live Nation Canada, and the prospect of having its contract renewed for another five years.

"We're confident we can do a better job than anybody," he said.

If council, however, opts for a new competitive process, Murphy says Spectra is open to bidding for management rights to all three venues.

"If it does go out to bid and there's an opportunity to bid on other facilities, we certainly would do it."

That potentially puts Spectra, SMG and Carmen's in a three-way battle, essentially a rematch of the 2013 contest. This time around, however, Carmen's has another card up its sleeve.

Although the company is willing to take part in any process council chooses, a Carmen's-led consortium also plans to present the city with a proposal for a public-private partnership aimed at redeveloping the aging facilities and surrounding lands.

That means, as Eisenberger notes, council may soon be deciding what's best for the venues in both the short and long term.
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The logo was unveiled for Hamilton's new Canadian Elite Basketball League (CEBL) team. They'll be playing at FirstOntario Centre...

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What a joke of a league. Doubt there’s a market for amateur basketball.
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haha I'm sorry, but all I can think of is the honey badger video..

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I had a chuckle and WTF-moment seeing the name at first. Didn't know the animals were such nasty, tough little bastards.

I wish they would have picked a name with some local or regional connection though. But tigers had nothing to do with us either when that name was originally used for football, and true to form it's likely Honey Badgers don't give a shit.
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I had a chuckle and WTF-moment seeing the name at first. Didn't know the animals were such nasty, tough little bastards.

I wish they would have picked a name with some local or regional connection though. But tigers had nothing to do with us either when that name was originally used for football, and true to form it's likely Honey Badgers don't give a shit.
honey badger don't care - honey badger smacks the shit out of it
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‘No-strings-attached’ offer from Carmen’s to City of Hamilton
The push is on to look at redeveloping city’s aging entertainment venues, writes Andrew Dreschel

https://www.thespec.com/opinion-stor...y-of-hamilton/

City staff are seeking approval to spend up to $200,000 on an independent study assessing the needs and redevelopment potential of Hamilton's aging downtown entertainment venues.

The study would also weigh the merits of locating an arena outside the core, which is consistent with Hamilton Bulldogs owner Michael Andlauer's offer to help build a new, smaller facility elsewhere in the city.

Councillors will consider the staff proposal Monday. But thanks to a local consortium led by the Carmen's Group, they'll also have a related private sector proposal to chew on.

A delegation from the consortium is expected to offer to partner with the city on developing a comprehensive "precinct plan" that delivers the "next generation" of sports, entertainment and convention facilities in the core.

In short, Carmen's and its partners are willing to pay the lion's share of a study to examine the feasibility of redeveloping the city-owned FirstOntario Centre (formerly Copps Coliseum), FirstOntario Concert Hall (formerly Hamilton Place) and the Convention Centre.

According to consortium co-ordinator Jasper Kujavsky, the study would be offered to the city on a "no-strings-attached basis," meaning the group expects no business benefits in return.

Kujavsky says the group endorses the staff proposal and is eager to partner with the city to avoid overlapping and duplicating work.

He says the consortium is also happy to work with Andlauer, as long as any arena project — a renovation or replacement — is in the core.

So who is in the consortium?

In essence, they're the same players who in 2016 financed a $240,000 report on options for overhauling the arena, options which boiled down to a $68-million renovation and a complete $252-million rebuild.

Back then the publicly-named members of the consortium consisted of Carmen's hospitality group, the Ron Joyce family, LiUNA, Fengate Capital, and FirstOntario Credit Union.

FirstOntario Credit Union recently bowed out. A spokesperson couldn't be reached, but Kujavsky says the company decided the proposed precinct plan has political implications that didn't fit the parameters of its membership.

However, a new financial institution, Meridian Credit Union, has come aboard. Wade Stayzer, a senior vice-president with Meridian, says his company, the largest credit union in Ontario, is "pleased to be a part of the group."

Stayzer notes that Meridian, which last year formed a sponsor partnership with the Hamilton's Farmers Market, is committed to help build strong communities. "And we see the precinct plan as part of that."

What's in it for the consortium if there are no strings attached?

According to Kujavsky, though the group isn't presuming it will benefit from any redevelopment proposals that may emerge from the proposed study, it clearly hopes it will.

"But no matter what, whether it's us or somebody else, there will be a benefit to the community because of the private sector investment we're putting in."

PJ Mercanti, president and CEO of the Carmen's Group, made a similar point while recently addressing council. Mercanti touched on the notion of a precinct plan during his pitch to have Carmen's take over management of all three downtown venues. Carmen's currently only operates the Convention Centre.

"Ultimately, our desire is very simple," Mercanti said. "We want Hamilton to compete with the best in Canada ... we want Hamilton to win more big, fun events and in order to do that we need the right infrastructure in place."

Regarding Carmen's play to operate the three venues, council voted to consider both its bid and that of Spectra, which currently runs the arena and concert hall.

What will councillors do with the offer to pay for a precinct plan study?

Consider this: The staff report plainly states there's a "substantial and increasing need for capital reinvestment" in the fading facilities. On top of that, the Carmen's initiative sprouted wings from a council-approved motion from Sam Merulla to explore potentially partnering with the private sector to redevelop them.

Can you turn down an offer to help under those circumstances?
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This project HAS to happen downtown right? I don't see how the city can tout downtown revitalization this and LRT that then go ahead and build this in the suburbs, no way lol.
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I think there are a good contingent of Hammerites that still believe in the NHL dream , and replacing 18500 seats for something that has max capacity of 9-10000 will kill it.
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Kujavsky's slides show a potential convention centre & hotel on the SJAM site, & also where the Swiss Chalet is now. When Carmen's won the convention centre mgmt bid, they promised a 44-storey hotel. PJ Mercanti has said that's still in the works but they don't have suitable land






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I kind of don't think they should tear down the church. I've always thought it was really cool, and one day if the church is done with it, it would be a really cool club location, away from most houses and such.

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