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They should start building the tower and just put it up at 1,250 feet.

Of course that would lead to lawsuits though. But it'd be funny, almost like a "Go stuff this up your a**holes!"

I really don't understand why the nimby's are getting so crazy about this when just a couple blocks away, another tower even taller will go up.

What sweet justice it will be to see their faces when a taller building is built, unfortunately that one won't block out their sun.
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yea but hines/nouvel already said they refuse to build the 1050 foot version, because sensibly it would not be as economical.

they won't let them build it at 1250 so that means the building is canceled... how is it not?

it's basic 3rd grade logic
That's just what I was thinking. But you'll make it to the fourth next year, right?...


Seriously though, they never said they would refuse to build anything. Exactly the reason Gottfried is urging the Council not to approve the tower.
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but it is not possible that it ends up 1250 feet, they already lost the fight.

1050 feet is tall, but the building does not have a flat roof, it would appear more like 900 feet. not bad but nothing special.
     
     
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1050 feet is tall, but the building does not have a flat roof, it would appear more like 900 feet. not bad but nothing special.
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Only Two More Hurdles for the MoMA Monster: City Council and the Economy

By Lee Rosenbaum
October 21, 2009

At its review session Monday, New York's City Planning Commission gave its go-ahead for Jean Nouvel's MoMA/Hines tower, as modified by the City Council's Land Use Committee. The project still needs to be approved by the full City Council, which may well happen at its Oct. 28 meeting.
Didn't see it on today's agenda...http://legistar.council.nyc.gov/Meet...959A88&Search=


We'll see if this wraps up this week, here's the status in the meantime...


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Just approved by the City Council by a 44-3 margin.
     
     
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Approved at 1050 ft?
     
     
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Yep, now it's on to financing and design...
http://wcbstv.com/topstories/moma.sk...2.1276521.html

NYC Council Approves MoMA Tower

October 28, 2009


The New York City Council has approved the Museum of Modern Art's proposal for a new 82-story tower.

The council voted on Wednesday to approve the plan for a 1000-foot mixed-use tower on West 53rd Street between Fifth and Sixth avenues.

The museum already has its main exhibition space on that block.

The museum will gain approximately 40,000 square feet of new gallery space — a 30 percent increase, according to the MoMA Web site.

The building plan also calls for 150 residential apartments and 100 hotel rooms.

The tower would be the size of the Empire State Building, and has drawn outrage from the community.

"This is the time to call a halt to this. This is the time to stop," opponent Albert Butzel told CBS 2 HD on October 7.

"It's a postage stamp. They say they can get it to stand up but it's a postage stamp. It's an abomination," opponent Justin Peyser said.

Opponents complained about the height and the shadow it will cast, but the design has received critical praise and the designer, architect Jean Nouvel, said that seen from the real Empire State Building his equally tall structure will blend into the cityscape.

"When you are at the Empire State you see the building in front like this, so you cannot see the full of the fins," Nouvel said.

The developer – the Gerald Hines Organization -- said to build the tower it will purchase air rights from the museum, the nearby University Club and St. Thomas Episcopal Church and stack 'em up over the site. Leaving the hearing Tuesday, they didn't seem to want to talk about why: "We have no comment," was the response.

The museum said "no." It wants the money from those air rights.

"This is vital because the Museum of Modern of Art does not receive direct support from either the city or the state. We depend entirely on our endowment, admissions and fundraising," Museum of Modern Art director Glenn Lowrey

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MoMa Monster Tower Gets City Council Approval

Oct 28, 2009

The New York City Council has approved the Museum of Modern Art's proposal for a new 82-story tower -- a massive construction that has earned the name the MoMa Monster.

The council voted on Wednesday to approve the plan for a 1000-foot mixed-use tower on West 53rd Street between Fifth and Sixth avenues, on the same block the museum already has its main exhibition space.

The Jean Nouvel designed tower was decapitated from the iconic height of 1,250-feet, to 1,050-feet. That's 200 feet below the Empire State Building, and the exact height of the Chrysler Building.

The building plan also calls for 150 residential apartments and 100 hotel rooms and of course, has plenty of critics.

It would dwarf its neighbor buildings, and doom others to shadow and darkness," West 55th Street resident Anita Rubin told The New York Post earlier this month.
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They used "exact" but were off by four feet.

You have to love the media. Anyway, this is awesome news!!!!!!!!
     
     
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Fantastic indeed. Let's hope however, the redesigned version will be just as iconic as the original 1,250 ft. proposal.
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NYC Council Approves MoMA Tower

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City Council OKs new MoMA tower that will rival Chrysler Building

By Jason Fink


The City Council Wednesday approved plans for a controversial skyscraper next door to the Museum of Modern Art that will redefine the midtown skyline, rising about as high as the Chrysler Building.

The mixed-use tower, designed by famed architect Jean Nouvel, was overwhelmingly approved over the objection of some neighbors, who say it is too tall and will bring too much traffic.

“This is really a travesty,” said Rita Sue Siegel, vice president of the West 54-55 Street Block Association, which opposes the project. The local community board also voted against it.

The measure passed Wednesday approves the purchase of air rights, as well as height and bulk changes, by the developer, the Hines real estate company; it does not require the signature of Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who favors the project.

The 700,000-square-foot building will house new museum exhibition space, 150 residential units and 100 hotel rooms.

Supporters say the 1,050-foot tower will provide a boon for the MoMA, which sold the land to Hines and will lease about 40,000 square feet of gallery space in the new building, increasing its exhibition space by 30 percent.

“This is going to be an iconic addition to the New York City skyline, really a one-of-it’s-kind building,” said Council Speaker Christine Quinn, whose district includes the planned tower.

The city earlier scaled down the original plan, cutting 200 feet off the height. The original plan envisioned a tapering tower with a spire, but a redesign has not been made public.


In a statement, Hines noted that the project had eliminated a loading dock and reduced the size of the hotel.

The MoMA released a statement thanking the council for approving a project that “will contribute significantly to the city’s architectural heritage and economy while enabling the museum to show even more of our collection to the public.”

City Councilman Tony Avella (D-Bayside), one of three members to vote against the project, said the city should heed the objections.

“Once again, we’re not listening to the community,” he said. “It’s a nice building, but 1,000 feet?”

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City Council approves scaling down Nouvel's mixed-use tower near MoMA


The City Council was reported to have voted 44 to 3 today to approve plans for a 1,050-foot-high, mixed-use tower that will include expansion space for the Museum of Modern Art, which is on the same block.

The City Planning Commission recently approved various permits for the building involving transfer of air rights to the project from the University Club and the St. Thomas Episcopal Church on the same block but ordered that its height be reduced from 1,250 feet.

The council's land use committee recently approved the commission's decision despite pleas from the developer, Hines Interests, and its architect, Jean Nouvel, to not lop off the top 200-feet of the mid-block tapering tower with diagonal bracing.

The very thin, asymmetrical tower would not only contain significant expansion space for the museum, which received $125 million from Hines for the site, but also a luxury hotel and about 150 residential condominiums.

At one point, the tower was supposed to have 85 stories and some reports today maintained that the plan approved today was 82 stories but no new renderings have been made public and the loss of 100,000 square feet from the original proposal of 658,000 square feet would suggest that the tower's design would be substantially altered and made squatter.

The decision by the City Planning Commission was surprising and not widely embraced.

In an article in The New York Times, Nicholai Ouroussoff wrote that "Amanda Burden, the city planning commissioner, said the tower's top, which culminates in three uneven peaks, did not meet the aesthetic standards of a building that would compete in height with the city's most famous towers." He said that Ms. Burden said that the project "had to show us that they were creating something as great or even greater than the Empire State Building and the design they showed us was unresolved.'"

Citing its "legant proportions," Mr. Ourossoff wrote that "seen from the street, its receding facades would have induced a delicious sense of vertigo."

In his October 6, 2009 testimony before the council's subcommittee on zoning and franchises, Assemblyman Richard N. Gottfried argued that "a building of this magnitude on a mid-block location immediately adjacent to a historic residential neighborhood violates the basic principles of New York City zoning and good urban planning."

He maintained that the St. Thomas Church, which wanted to sell 275,000 square feet of its air rights, "should do what congregations do, and turn to its members." He also maintained that the University Club, which wanted to sell Hines 136,000 square feet of air rights, "also falls short of demonstrating financial need."

"Neither landmark is in danger of deterioration, or has a stated lack of resources," he declared, adding that "there is substantial public burden resulting from the excessive height and density, shadows, traffic, and other impacts the proposed tower will impose on the community."

Hines has not indicated what it plans to do with the site in view of the council's action and market conditions.
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Win for 'high' art



By TOM TOPOUSIS and SALLY GOLDENBERG
October 29, 2009


The City Council put the finishing touches yesterday on the Museum of Modern Art's request to build an 82-story tower that would rise as high as the Chrysler Building, granting the project final approval -- and leaving Midtown neighbors seeing red.

"Nobody is against fine architecture. The problem is where it's being built," said Justin Peyser, whose West 54th Street apartment faces the tower site that sits mid-block between Fifth and Sixth avenues next to the museum.

Peyser, a member of the anti-tower Coalition for Responsible Midtown Development, said the group's next step would likely be a legal challenge.

The MoMA tower, designed by French architect Jean Nouvel, would rise 1,025 feet, with its main entrance on 53rd Street. It would include luxury housing, hotel rooms and more exhibit space for the museum, under a deal with the developer, Hines.

First proposed at 1,250 feet -- as tall as the Empire State Building without the antenna -- the project's height was cut by the city Planning Commission last month.

Despite community opposition, the tower's zoning variances sailed through the council yesterday by a vote of 44-3.

"This is going to be an iconic addition to New York City's skyline, really a one-of-its-kind building," said council Speaker Chris Quinn (D), whose Manhattan district includes the tower site.

Councilman Dan Garodnick (D), whose district begins on 54th Street just north of the tower, said neighbors got a bum deal.

"The size is what really makes it difficult for my constituents to support. If it was a smaller building with fewer years of construction it might be a different story," said Garodnick, one of the dissenting votes.

Daly Reville, who lives across the street from the site, said she was mystified as to how a developer could win the right to build such an enormous tower in the middle of the block, surrounded by lower-scale buildings.

"The whole idea of zoning is that the taller buildings be on avenues because they're wider and easier to access," said Reville. "I'm not sure what the brilliance is of this particular concept.

A spokesman for Hines yesterday said the firm has not yet determined when the project would get under way, or how long it would take to build.

The Museum of Modern Art was paid $125 million by Hines for the site. Yesterday, a spokesman said the tower would "contribute significantly to the city's architectural heritage and economy while enabling the museum to show even more of our collection to the public."
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so now its 1025 feet? or are they just wrong?

either way good news, i wonder if they'll still try for some extra height or if they shouldnt push it.
     
     
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this building almost has to get built now, they wouldnt have gone through that much trouble to not build it.. i hope

also how did it get more stories after the height decrease?
     
     
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Woo!!! Now get financing into place and start building!
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Woo!!! Now get financing into place and start building!
I'd settle for a current rendering for now. This tower probably won't start sooner than next year. We'll see how soon they at least get excavation underway.


http://www.observer.com/2009/daily-t...council-courts

MoMA Tower Sails Through Council, On to the Courts

Story By Reid Pillifant
October 29, 2009

To the courts!

The City Council approved the controversial MoMA tower yesterday afternoon by a vote of 44-3, which is supposed to be the last step in the approval process, but is really just the last step before the inevitable lawsuit challenging the approval process.

So it's just barely even news that an opposition group said yesterday it's likely to file suit against the Jean Nouvel-designed tower.

The tower is controversial--it rises 1,050 feet over West 53rd Street--but it's unclear exactly what the grounds for legal action would be. The MoMA tower doesn't seize any land under eminent domain, so it's not subject to the thorny litigation that's plagued the proposed Atlantic Yards development and could affect the city's plans for Willets Point. The best guess it that it would be an environmental challenge, and those suits don't have particularly high rates of success (though longshot wins are possible; see, for example, Westway).

Assuming it doesn't sink the project, a legal delay might not hurt the developer, Hines Interests, given the current market conditions. A Post article last week speculated that the unfinished designs Hines took to City Planning--which cost them 200 feet off the top--might have been a plan to sabotage their own project.

One interesting note from the Council vote: Dan Garodnick--whose district starts just south of West 54th Street and includes a sizeable number of the tower's opponents--voted against the project. But since the building actually lies in Council Speaker Christine Quinn's district, Mr. Garodnick wasn't pressed to rally his fellow Councilmembers and invoke the usual home district deference that members accord to projects in each other's districts.


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"The size is what really makes it difficult for my constituents to support. If it was a smaller building with fewer years of construction it might be a different story," said Garodnick, one of the dissenting votes.

Daly Reville, who lives across the street from the site, said she was mystified as to how a developer could win the right to build such an enormous tower in the middle of the block, surrounded by lower-scale buildings.
So Garodnick thinks it would be ok if it could be built quicker. And Reville "who lives accross the street from the site", should know better than to classify the site as "middle of the block", which it clearly isn't. In fact, anyone who visits the site could see that it's practically on 6th Ave, which is why part of the site has 6th Ave zoning. Even the CPC pointed out as much. They don't do much to help their argument against the building, which is a waste of time now.
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Let the opposition group waste their money. I danced around Spruce Street both when the tower reached street level and when it resumed construction. I'm going to be doing the same thing at these people's doorsteps.

If anyone wants to join me in adding insult to injury to these lame and sad people let me know.
Can't wait to produce frusterated and upset faces.
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I'm going to be doing the same thing at these people's doorsteps.
LOL...that would be hilarious. I wonder how many will actually move when the tower finally starts construction, however long that takes. I doubt many of them will.
They're already surrounded by skyscrapers.


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