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Old Posted May 2, 2014, 1:53 AM
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1560 Scott St [Holland Cross] | 77m | 25f | Proposed


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Here are the only pictures available.

It's a decent addition to what's there now, and it provides a bit of a transition to Richcraft's highrises. I'd like to see some better renderings, maybe a more interesting design would be good. It's a bit bulky, as is typical for Ottawa. I'm hoping there'll be good ground-level retail, but it would be apart of the mall.

This building could have been up to 18 storeys, but they chose 12 instead, according to the CDP. North of it along Scott it can be 25. I'd like to see this building be taller and less bulky, nicer design, but I'm wondering if it's to not anger the people living in the townhouses across from it. But I'm happy that the open space will be enclosed a bit.






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At least it's taller than the rest of Holland Cross. The curtain wall will be a nice change from the current monotony of the complex and the concrete bunkers at Tunney's.
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At least it's taller than the rest of Holland Cross. The curtain wall will be a nice change from the current monotony of the complex and the concrete bunkers at Tunney's.
True, but only marginally taller (4 floors). It looks like only the windows on each floor are glass and the rest will be some other, opaque material. I'd like instead if they either made the building 18 floors or made it cantilever, like Toronto's Totem condos. This way you break up the bulkiness while maintaining the same floor area, and create an interesting and unique building for Ottawa in arguably an important area.

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18 floors with a bit more of an interesting shape would be good, but hey, could be worse.

As for the opaque areas between the floors, it's probably the same kind of deal as every other glass tower in the city, metal or opaque glass. Office buildings usually don't have floor to ceiling windows. They have a waist high walls, then glass:


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18 floors with a bit more of an interesting shape would be good, but hey, could be worse.

As for the opaque areas between the floors, it's probably the same kind of deal as every other glass tower in the city, metal or opaque glass. Office buildings usually don't have floor to ceiling windows. They have a waist high walls, then glass:
That's true, I guess, at least for most of Ottawa. Still, this building is uninspiring, and we'll all just sigh when it's done and say, "That's Ottawa!"

I wish there were a way we, possibly those of us in this forum, or other people who care could send a message and make recommendations for designs to start getting developers to make interesting buildings.
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18 floors with a bit more of an interesting shape would be good, but hey, could be worse.

As for the opaque areas between the floors, it's probably the same kind of deal as every other glass tower in the city, metal or opaque glass. Office buildings usually don't have floor to ceiling windows. They have a waist high walls, then glass:
You're right about Constitution Square, but Place de Ville has (basically) floor to ceiling windows, the HVAC runs about a foot or two off the floor, and then it's all window up from there.

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Oh yeah, you can see that the transition between floors isn't as thick as Constitution Square. Just the actual floor thickness/utilities, not a 1/3 wall.

As for the design, again bringing up the Mizrahi project, design should be as important as height in the approval process.
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Builders eye office projects outside core

David Sali, OBJ
Published on June 09, 2014


A pair of planned new office buildings at Tunney’s Pasture and the Ottawa Train Yards could be a signal that developers believe the federal government is ready to shed more real estate in the downtown core, a prominent local broker says.

Builders have recently submitted site plans to the city for a proposed 12-storey office tower at the Holland Cross development at 1560 Scott St. and a nine-story building on Terminal Avenue at the Train Yards.

Both properties are located near existing federal offices, making them logical sites for a government looking to move to cheaper space away from downtown, said Darren Fleming, principal managing partner at Cresa Ottawa.

“This could easily be both developers just getting their ducks in a row for the potential future need,” said Mr. Fleming. “It may be speculative, it may not be. But neither of those owners are likely to break ground without a tenant in place, and the tenant would almost certainly be the federal government.”

As far as he knows, Public Works hasn’t issued any tenders for space in either neighbourhood, he said. Public Works spokesperson Sébastien Bois told OBJ last week “there is no requirement for space at this time” at Terminal Avenue.

The proposed tower at the Holland Cross development, which is owned by LaSalle Investment Management, would add about 180,000 square feet of office space to the complex, currently the site of a pair of eight-storey buildings.

The new structure would be located on about 3.4 acres of land on the southwest corner of the property at the corner of Hamilton Avenue North and Bullman Street. The site is less than 250 metres from the Tunney’s Pasture Transitway station and just south of the Tunney’s Pasture federal government complex.

In December, Public Works told OBJ it had a “preliminary discussion” with a landlord about vacating up to 500,000 square feet of space, but would not specify the location.

Mr. Fleming noted that if the feds are thinking about shedding pricey office space downtown, they might be looking to lease in less expensive areas such as Tunney’s Pasture or the Train Yards.

“We know that there’s more federal government likely to leave the core,” he said. “We don’t know where it’s going, but (Scott Street) is a heck of a place for them to go. They already have a fairly big footprint there.”

Government officials are also looking at adding up to 4.88 million square feet of office space to the sprawling Tunney’s Pasture campus, which currently has about three million square feet of space, as part of a 25-year master plan.

“At some point, Tunney’s Pasture is going to be redeveloped, and the thought is they’re going to need a heck of a lot of swing space when that happens,” Mr. Fleming said. “Right across the street is Holland Cross.”

Bruce Wolfgram, a vice-president at Primecorp Commercial Realty, said the building could also be a potential home for some of the tech firms that are moving into the Westboro area.

“There’s a lot of activity in Westboro being planned, so I’m not surprised with 1560 Scott either,” he said, noting Pythian Group is moving into space at a nearby mixed-use complex being built by BridgePort Developments and Fiera Properties.

The Train Yards proposal, which includes a nine-storey structure on Terminal Avenue, would be located next to an eight-storey office building the federal government already leases. The LEED Gold-certified project would add another 160,000 square feet of class-A office space to the 92-acre property, which now has about 270,000 square feet of office space.

The building would be designed by architect David McRobie, who has worked on other components of the Train Yards development.

Ottawa Train Yards president Marty Koshman said it’s too early to give more details about the project, saying only that it “will appeal to office tenants” but has no confirmed occupants yet.

“I can’t really tell you a whole lot right now,” he said. “It’s a very viable leasing option.”

According to the site plan, the project is targeted to open in the fall of 2015, but that isn’t set in stone, said Mr. Koshman.

“It’s a bit of a loose schedule right now,” he said. “There’s a lot of maybes.”

Mr. Koshman said the property is located close to the Queensway and Hurdman Station, making it readily accessible to commuters, with plenty of shopping and a 72,000-square-foot fitness centre nearby.

“All those things are right there,” he said. “We can certainly offer great amenities to employees in that area.”

Mr. Wolfgram said he’s already looked at the site with “at least one client” he didn’t want to name. The project will need “a major company” as an anchor tenant for it to be viable, he added.

Citywide office vacancy rates were up in the first quarter compared with 2013, he noted, suggesting the economy still has a way to go to be completely on the road to recovery.

Still, he said the Train Yards project is close to downtown and has plenty of amenities, making it an attractive option for potential tenants.

“I can certainly say that there’s been interest in that building and the area,” Mr. Wolfgram said. “A few years ago, I would have thought that area would never go, but since then (owner) Controlex has done a fabulous job with the Train Yards retail project to the extent that we’re seeing more interest and larger companies at least willing to consider that area now. People are a lot more receptive to considering that area now than they would have been, say, five years ago.”

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why must it be a block? Can't they afford to be even slightly more imaginative?
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Now that's nice! We need more buildings like that, for sure. It's taken Toronto two décades to "get it", hopefully we'll get there sooner.

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I'd like instead if they either made the building 18 floors or made it cantilever, like Toronto's Totem condos. This way you break up the bulkiness while maintaining the same floor area, and create an interesting and unique building for Ottawa in arguably an important area.

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Twelve-storey office tower in the works for Holland Cross

Carys Mills, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: July 8, 2014, Last Updated: July 8, 2014 12:56 PM EDT


A 12-storey office tower is in the works for the Holland Cross complex, which would be the tallest on the site so far.

Planning committee approved the rezoning unanimously for the Scott Street building on Tuesday but it still requires final approval from city council. City planners are recommending an amendment to the mixed-use centre zoning, which would allow 12 storeys, instead of eight.

The proposed development is an 11-storey office building atop the existing one-storey retail podium, for a total of 12 floors, at Bullman Street and Hamilton Avenue.

In the report that went to planning committee Tuesday, city staff wrote the development satisfies the area’s mixed-use centre zoning and is compatible with the official plan and community design plan for Scott Street, which is just north of the proposed tower.

“The new building will be designed and set back to respect the low density townhouses currently located to the south,” the report states.

As part of a public notification process, the city received 12 comments. Five respondents had concerns, including ones about building height, conformity, the mid-block walkway and hours of construction. Five other respondents had questions and two others were in support.

“This new building, which will be the tallest on the Holland Cross site, will serve to punctuate Holland Cross,” states the report, which adds the development would help “mark the site as an area that the official plan identifies as evolving into a ‘good urban place in its own right’ and having ‘significant growth potential’.”

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We have a thread for this one, dormant since 2014:

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...ighlight=scott

Please merge.
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Not a great design, but somewhat unique from what we usually see. Great density for the area. A few PDFs linked to the Kitchissippi Ward website, including site plan and a few perspectives from closer to the ground.

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Holland Cross addition (1560 Scott St) - OPA, Zoning By-Law Amendment, Site Plan + Open House Webinar

September 1, 2020, Kitchissippi Ward



Holland Cross, 1560 Scott St. is an existing commercial complex that consists of two 7 storey, 100,000 sf office towers sitting on a single storey ground floor/podium of approximately 90,000 sf. Defined as a Mixed-Use Centre, it is a mixture of retail, food service and professional office space. At the time of development in 1987/8, the project was designed for a future third office tower in the Southeast corner. In the original development the town houses to the south were part of the project, but these have subsequently been severed off.


In lieu of the third office tower, the owners are now proposing a 29-storey building with 337 rental units. The main entrance to the building is from Hamilton North with secondary entrances from the podium and from the retail mall within the complex. There is a step-back at the fifth-floor level, again at the 28th floor, both east and south elevations and on the west side of the 29th floor. In addition, there is a covered walkway along the south side of the podium. In the existing Holland Cross development there are two levels of underground parking which can accommodate approximately 780 vehicles. This project is proposing to provide 30 indoor visitor parking spaces as well as bicycle parking at the front of the building and on the podium. The development is also providing bicycle storage for every unit as well as secure individual tenant storage.

The application has not been submitted yet, but once it is we will encourage the community to review the full details on DevApps. We are hosting a community open house in September to discuss the proposed development further:

Tuesday, September 29 at 7:00pm

Please click the link below to join the webinar:

https://us02web.zoom.us/j/85171936197

Password: 901205

During the open house webinar, the applicant and their team will run through the proposed development in more detail, and we will take questions from those watching. In order to join, you just need to download Zoom and click the link provided. You will then be prompted to use the password, and sign in with your name and e-mail address.

We will be recording the webinar and posted it online afterwards for anyone who is unable to attend on September 29.

Please consider sending us feedback on the proposed development via Jeff.Leiper@ottawa.ca and / or Fiona.Mitchell@ottawa.ca.
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We have a thread for this one, dormant since 2014:

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...ighlight=scott

Please merge.
Wow! Good eye/memory! I would have never found that!
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Early imagery:

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Wow! Good eye/memory! I would have never found that!
I searched for Scott Street proposals a few times over the last few weeks, so not quite as amazing as you might think.
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