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Old Posted Mar 22, 2015, 7:41 AM
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The urban planning office of Central Paris counted some 11,500 buildings (out of 140k in all on the Central Paris territory) of which the heights could be increased in a recent census, still by complying with the overly strict height limits and urban planning rules enforced within the central city. That would allow to append 1 to 5 floors to those buildings, and build some 40,000 new homes whose areas would range from 500 to 750 square feet.

Those who read French can see in that article.

http://www.lejdd.fr/JDD-Paris/Surele...e-Paris-718194

The local socialist mayor is in favor of that move, but her allies from the Green party are against it. No wonder, those people are the fiercest NIMBYs on Earth and against pretty much everything anyway.

The conservatives are skeptical too, cause they want the zinc roofs of the city registered to the UNESCO World Heritage. Note that many of those same roofs were in red tiles before they replaced them all by light blue/gray zinc. I forget when exactly they did this, definitely sometime during the 19th century. So these are your typical Parisian roofs since then.


http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toits_de_Paris

They want all roofs of this kind registered to UNESCO... Ahem. The city probably looked much warmer from above back to the red tile days if you ask me. But zinc was later regarded more convenient and technically advanced. You couldn't count those zinc roofs over here, there are too many. I think a greater roof diversity wouldn't cause any harm. It should be possible to discuss it with the local conservatives who're no stubborn retards like the French Greens.

40k new homes would still be something, but far from enough to meet the needs anyway. Especially if it takes decades to discuss them before they're built.
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The project of the UNESCO World Heritage for the roofs in Paris has been dropped by the municipality.
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SSC's mod Indy G managed to capture more of those roofs.









Myself, I'm still a little astonished at the tremendous amount of roofs cladded in zinc. Almost the entire central city is covered in that material nowadays, and much of the inner suburbs too. Many of the new buildings still use it for their upper structures. That came from the heavy imperial standardization of the 19th century... So yeah, zinc has to own some kind of efficient properties, but trying to have it all registered to the historic heritage is yet another obvious NIMBY tactics.
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The project of the UNESCO World Heritage for the roofs in Paris has been dropped by the municipality.
Fine. Super. It was dangerous. Honestly, I almost have some little respect for the current mayor, but she still has to deal with her green allies that must feel heavier than a burden to her now that she's been elected.
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The 3 new skyscrapers at La Défense taken together.

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Eventually, as my taste has flexibly evolved, I like the fact that we have no pre-war towers in that cluster. And thankfully we have nothing post-modern trying to mimic them. This is no lame cluster to pastiche older styles. Nicely Tokyo-ish, going highly and plainly modern, if not futuristic.

I find Majunga is the best latest addition to the skyline, but the 2 others are on better spots on the north ring boulevard.
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The 3 new skyscrapers at La Défense taken together.

I think Paris has the best-looking CBD in all of Europe. Thanks for the image.
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Yes, the La Defense skyline is beautiful. All silver and white and blue, very airy and ethereal. No brick, stone, or even black steel.

I've never really understood the disdain that architects have for this area... it's far more lively and better-planned than most American CBDs, with easy access for the pedestrian and transit rider. It's very different from a Parisian boulevard, but it shouldn't have to be the same.
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Mixed-use development in Créteil, a suburb located 11.5 km (7 miles) southeast of the center of Paris and neighboring mine. It is one of the largest suburban town of the metro area with some 90,000 dwellers. It's about time we get some brand new development over there, as this side of Greater Paris has been a little sleepy, I find. A nonsense when locals are suffering from housing shortage.













The project belongs to Pernod, a subsidiary of Pernod-Ricard headquartered over there in Créteil. They make some "distilled beverages," or simply say some strong booze. They chose large construction and real estate corporation Bouygues to implement their project. It aims at redeveloping 6 ha (15 acres) of brownfields owned by Pernod. Here's a ground plan.



Roughly 650 market-rate units, from studios to 4 rooms (like the living-room + 3 bedrooms), 80 social housing units, 250 student housing studios and 10,000 m² (~100k sq ft) of offices. There are also some 2700 m² (29k sq ft) for some shops on ground floors as seen on those Bouygues renderings. It will be developed in 2 phases.

I'm glad about this. It must be underway already! That news seems a little old. Thx to French-speaking forum mod Maza who let us know. And go Val-de-Marne! Eh. The very last département out of the 95 in metropolitan France still ruled by the French communist party. Well, that's at least one mad thing our département performs. Lol.
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I've never really understood the disdain that architects have for this area...
It's not architects, it's people in general. Of course architects have a much better knowledge in that respect than random citizens, and I guess any of them would love to have their tower sitting there. Some have struggled for long for that.

Highrises themselves are not really questioned. The original mistake at la Défense is its overall layout. At least, that's the way it feels to many locals used to more traditional urban layouts.
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it's far more lively and better-planned than most American CBDs, with easy access for the pedestrian and transit rider. It's very different from a Parisian boulevard, but it shouldn't have to be the same.
Except for "better-planned", I agree on all of that statement. It will gradually be improved as more and more buildings get there and reshape the district at ground level, improving connections to the surrounding older towns. But that will take time.

Ultimately, it will become a genuine local legend.
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I think Paris has the best-looking CBD in all of Europe. Thanks for the image.
This is the larger version of it.



And this below is a picture I took this evening after running in the wood (it's a Colombian unauthorized wild fiesta in the foreground, in case you wonder).

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This is the larger version of it.
It's looking good but we must be honest, pictures at dusk are flattering sometimes. That pano was certainly taken by some effective gear and someone who can use it.

Too bad the SG towers on Nanterre's territory still feel slightly remote. They may be a little bulky, I still like them, while they're often missing on pictures.
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Old Posted May 21, 2015, 7:37 PM
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French forum mod Maza posted about these 2 more student and social housing buildings over the Rive Gauche area, the contemporary district developed in the 13th arrondissement.
So I gotta show them off here, cause they're cool.





Notice the room left to greenery within the urban lot, a trick often used today to avoid any claustrophobic feeling.
So there'll be a little garden open to anyone.



The 2 lower floors will host some shops and offices. The student units are in the smaller component on the right below, the social housing in the taller on the left.



The parking garage is carefully buried, hidden underground as usual here nowadays, thankfully.





Nice work from Ameller Dubois & Associés. In all, this includes 180 affordable rental units.

Here's the 2nd by Tania Concko Architects. I'm enjoying their high res renderings.







You get some additional ground plans on their site. There'd be roughly 125 social housing units, a nursery and some retail at street level in there.

By "social housing," you should simply hear affordable rental units subsidized by the city community. It's no longer any creepy commieblock today, right? I find the contemporary hot enough, especially in Central Paris.

These are on the very edge of the central city, nearby the suburban town of Ivry-sur-Seine. That's why the average height of the new buildings right there is allowed to slightly increase, but unfortunately nothing could rise over 50m (165 ft) yet. And it lacks warmer colors as usual over here.

Apart from that, I find it pretty good. The overall Rive Gauche planning is really neat and exciting.
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If you like trendy transparent glazed façades to offer more daylight, here's another example of what they can do to affordable housing in Central Paris.





110 student and 30 social units with a little room for some small businesses (I'm assuming some retail). That one is in the 19th arrondissement. They say their main effort was to build a concrete skeleton as slight as possible, to provide every unit with more room in addition to generous daylight. The usual little problem of such glazed façades is their inferior energy-efficiency.

It's some nice infill anyway. Just too bad they wouldn't add a couple of more floors to it.
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Master plan in Massy, a suburban town some 25km (~15 miles) (lol no) 12km (7.5 miles, yes, that's better) south of Central Paris.

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Professional planners may appreciate high res renderings of the ultra contemporary designs and smart layouts.















http://www.cogedim-logement.com/prog...nis-91300.html

More of that master plan.





Rendering below is some social housing, people. You'll be welcome there if you're poor.



More stuff planned there... Sorry if renderings are that wide. Scroll to the right, you get a couple of lovers kissing.





I'm in love with these things over here. This is the better way they plan Greater Paris. Uh, excuse us if our suburbs get this kinda big even miles away from downtown Paris, huh? Maybe that rebellious local nature... And the massive transit system!
I'll go there within a few months to see for myself.

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Great, a bit of density around Massy Palaiseau station.

I would like to see big redevelopment plan around Juvisy station, Juvisy is one of the busiest railway hub outside Central Paris but the surrounding of the station are rather dull. There is nothing around the station, more exactly there is nothing corresponding of to the importance of the station (just few local shops).
Juvisy should be a big shopping and entertainment district for the southeastern suburbs.

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In a similar context but much closer to Central Paris.
Pleyel in Saint-Denis, with 4 subway lines (M13, 14, 15, 16, 17) and one RER (RER D)line it will become one of the largest hub outside Central Paris.

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Kengo Kuma unveils the main railway station of the Grand Paris Express

Japanese architect Kengo Kuma has unveiled plans for the ‘Saint-Denis Pleyel railway station’ in Paris – the main hub of the city’s new rapid transit line. the competition-winning scheme forms the first part of the region’s redevelopment, enabling the city to significantly increase its metropolitan scale. the project involves using the station to link the two sides of the city in order to increase connectivity within the district.
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http://www.designboom.com/architectu...ce-03-23-2015/

With the new station and the 20,000 m² (215,000 sq ft) of office above the railway track with a new bridge, they are planning to built 540,000 m² (5.8 million sq ft) of buildings in the district.
It will be mixed use with 195,000 m² (2.1 million sq ft) of office, most in the meta-ilot where high-rises could be built.


Light blue: housing
Dark blue: office
Orange: retail
Red: public equipment

http://www.leparisien.fr/saint-denis...ampaign=buffer

PS: I don't get why they put Tour Pleyel in light blue, I haven't seen any project of conversion of this existing office tower in housing space.
That must be a mistake
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^ Yup...

Still about Massy, beside 2 RER stations, it is served by the TGV trains running to the Atlantic HSR network being expanded toward Brittany and further south up to Bordeaux. I think that partly explains the redevelopments right there, but there's more...

The northern and most populous side of the Essonne département is getting busy anyway. Évry's undergoing some significant redevelopment locally as well and above all, the area called Plateau de Saclay, that includes several contiguous towns of northern Essonne is currently developed as a science and engineering hub. Cause the École Polytechnique itself and a couple of other ParisTech colleges are at Palaiseau, which is part of the Saclay high tech plan, and neighboring Massy. So yeah, of course, why not Juvisy next? This whole northern area of Essonne is highly strategic to the metro area already, hosting some of the most prestigious and selective engineering colleges in the country.
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I'm sorry, both Google and silly French Wiki got it wrong, and I yet pasted their mistake on here like a dummy while I knew it was wrong, confused and stuck in a what the heck? when I saw the distances they reported.

Of course Massy's never been 25km away from Central Paris. It's actually twice closer to it. You just don't get that 10-storey average contemporary density 25km away from the central city, which is normal. I was thinking the correction was a little necessary to the thread, cause I wouldn't like the dense urban area to sprawl too much at all.

Sometimes when you're just 30 miles away from Paris, you get a feeling that you're lost in a deep countryside with some farming fields around and small villages here and there. That's kinda fun from time to time and definitely necessary to the region. May be useful to repeat this informative here...

Here's a comprehensive map of entire Île-de-France (often nicknamed the Paris region) if you're curious, showing all towns encompassed within its administrative limits. There's a lot of them local municipalities. This is still the very land of the Gallic villages and small towns with their too many little chieftains.

http://www.cartograf.fr/regions/ile-..._detaillee.gif

Obviously, this is way larger than the actual urban area; not all of this is urbanized, far from there. I would call most the regional area semi-rural. Generally speaking, the farther away you get from Paris, the more rural it tends to be. However, some sort of urbanization stretches along the Seine, Oise and Marne rivers, up to Mantes-la-Jolie and around Pontoise to the West, Meaux to the East and Melun to the South. Versailles and its surroundings are more dense than the average, too.

The most convenient in that matter is yet to take a quick look at a density map.
This was in 2007 and most likely didn't change much since then.


http://www.slate.fr/sites/default/fi...op2007_IDF.jpg

Looking at both those maps, you see that historically, local urban sprawl roughly followed the rivers that once were extensively used for freight. They still are to some extent, as you still pass a bunch of freight barges on the Seine, but of course highways and railways widely relieved them.
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This is a map with the urbanized areas in Ile de France (Paris region) in 2012

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La Défense seen from a distance of 6.5 miles (10.5 km).



Without the zoom.

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^ Meh. Those post-war residential towers in the foreground look shamefully bland and poor anyway. The kind of things locals don't like at all.

They've been discussing this definitely much better over here.

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MGA Proposes World’s Tallest Wood Building in Paris



Michael Green Architecture (MGA) and DVVD has teamed up with REI France developments to propose the world’s tallest wood building in Paris. The carbon-neutral proposal, developed as part of the city’s innovative Réinventer Paris competition, aims to alleviate the city’s urban housing challenges.

“Our goal is that through innovation, youthful social contact and overall community building, we have created a design that becomes uniquely important to Paris,” said Michael Green, Principal of MGA.

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The 35-story tower, ”Baobab” places a heightened focus on community. With a strategic mix of market and social housing, a student hotel, urban agriculture, a bus station, e-car hub and other amenities, the proposal hopes to “foster the city’s vision for a connected, vibrant metropolis” and “define the next era of city building.”



MGA has become renowned for their quest to realize tall wood buildings, after publishing a report that outlines the benefits of building with wood. As they say, “When harvested responsibly, wood is the only carbon-neutral building material that can reduce greenhouse gas emissions and actually sequester carbon in buildings. The wood products used would store an estimated 3,700 metric tons of carbon dioxide – the equivalent to keeping 2,207 cars off the road for a year, or operating a home for 982 years (Source: WoodWorks Wood Products Council Carbon Calculator).”

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http://www.archdaily.com/637885/mga-...ding-in-paris/
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