Confederation Line East LRT Extension (Stage 2) [Blair to Trim] | U/C

[Catenary]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

^ The airport station will have those machines. They'll dispense single ride tickets, day passes, multi-day passes, plus they'll be able to issue new Presto cards and refill existing ones. There will be 2 at every Confederation Line & Trillium Line station. By nature, that will include the airport.

Yes, every train station will have them, when the train finally reaches the airport. In the meantime, we could have a stopgap parking meter installed at the airport in less than a month. Like the PRESTO reload machines Toronto now has though, there seems to be very little appetite within OC Transpo for this type of stuff.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

^ The airport station will have those machines. They'll dispense single ride tickets, day passes, multi-day passes, plus they'll be able to issue new Presto cards and refill existing ones. There will be 2 at every Confederation Line & Trillium Line station. By nature, that will include the airport.

Why are we still talking about such machines in the future tense, i wonder?

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by Catenary

Yes, every train station will have them, when the train finally reaches the airport. In the meantime, we could have a stopgap parking meter installed at the airport in less than a month. Like the PRESTO reload machines Toronto now has though, there seems to be very little appetite within OC Transpo for this type of stuff.

Train stations need them as you must pay your fare prior to the platform to speed loading of the trains. Stations at major transfer points will have the bus bays inside the fare paid zone, so there will be no need to prove your payment when transferring to or from a bus, so loading the buses will be faster as well.

I thought I read somewhere that OC Transpo is looking at accepting credit/debit cards on buses. It would likely be tap only though. Regardless, given that so many people are arriving from out of town/country at the airport, it would make sense to install a machine at the airport, maybe near the tourist information desk so that they can ask questions and get help if needed.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by roger1818

Train stations need them as you must pay your fare prior to the platform to speed loading of the trains. Stations at major transfer points will have the bus bays inside the fare paid zone, so there will be no need to prove your payment when transferring to or from a bus, so loading the buses will be faster as well.

I thought I read somewhere that OC Transpo is looking at accepting credit/debit cards on buses. It would likely be tap only though. Regardless, given that so many people are arriving from out of town/country at the airport, it would make sense to install a machine at the airport, maybe near the tourist information desk so that they can ask questions and get help if needed.

Debit/credit card transactions would require real-time payment validation.

So why can't Presto have that? It shouldn't take days for updated Presto balances to be reflected by the PoS terminal.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

Debit/credit card transactions would require real-time payment validation.

So why can't Presto have that? It shouldn't take days for updated Presto balances to be reflected by the PoS terminal.

I think the issue with Presto is that the terminals on the bus or train are not on or close to the wired network. That may be technically possible but the further issue is the speed of approving credit and debit transactions will not be fast enough for boarding transit vehicles, at least not with the current technology. Then on top of this is the cost of processing the transaction through a credit or debit card versus the actual price of the transit fare.

[TransitZilla]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

Debit/credit card transactions would require real-time payment validation.

No they would not. There is no real-time payment validation for transactions processed with contactless cards (PayPass/PayWave/etc). That's partly why these transactions are limited in value.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by bradnixon

No they would not. There is no real-time payment validation for transactions processed with contactless cards (PayPass/PayWave/etc). That's partly why these transactions are limited in value.

Um, OK.... so why not have PrestoChango operate on the same principle?

For the umptyzillion dollars it cost to develop this garbage system, could we no have just imported something off the shelf from Japan, South Korea, or Finland?

[1overcosc]

The Presto system is capable of accepting credit & debit transactions (as well as any other form of NFC payment such as Apple Pay) as all the necessary software and hardware is built into the system. It just has to be activated. I'm not sure how much work is required to do this, but I don't think it's much.

This is one of the problems with Presto. It was developed with so many features and capabilities that end up not being used.

[Dundas]

Did they scrap the idea of a station at Centrum? Since the article says 1 more station pass PDO.

https://news.ontario.ca/opo/en/2016/...in-ottawa.html

Ontario’s commitment of more than $1-billion will also support two additional extensions, a two-stop spur from the Trillium Line to Ottawa Macdonald-Cartier International Airport, and a one-stop extension of the Confederation Line further east from Place-d’Orléans Station to Trim Road in Orléans.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by Dundas

Did they scrap the idea of a station at Centrum? Since the article says 1 more station pass PDO.

I assume by Centrum you mean Centrum Blvd, not the Kanata Centrum (which is obviously at the opposite end of the city). Was there ever any talk of having an LRT stop somewhere along Centrum Blvd? Seems a bit close to Place d'Orléans to me.

[1overcosc]

The EA plans 3 stations past Place D'Orleans:
1) One at the Shenkman Arts Centre (Centrum Blvd)
2) One at Tenth Line
3) The one at Trim

Originally the draft plan had 4 stations--there was an additional station near the Terra Nova estates, between Tenth Line and Trim, however it was removed during the EA process.

My guess is that as part of the deal where the province & feds are splitting the cost of the line past Place D'Orleans without any cost to the city, the Centrum and Tenth Line stations were dropped. Both will probably be very low ridership stations; so it makes sense to not build them for now.

My hope is that with the large (and expandable to be even larger) park and ride at Trim now on the line, the city can now sell off the Place D'Orleans one for redevelopment.

[Dundas]

Since this is the East end tread Centrum would mean the Orleans Centrum.
Yeah there was talk about it, if you go back in this tread you'll find it. Page 2,
The main talk was that it is so close the PDO station.

[Dundas]

Yeah, it would be nice to see the Orleans station park n ride be sold off for something useful.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by Dundas

Yeah, it would be nice to see the Orleans station park n ride be sold off for something useful.

Maybe a nice power centre or an auto mall?

[1overcosc]

One developer (I believe Minto) actually floated the idea of building office tower high rises on the site of the Orleans Park & Ride, if the city was willing to sell.

[waterloowarrior]

Stage 2 Light Rail Transit (LRT) Connectivity Public Consultations
Let's get connected!
As part of the LRT Stage 2 project – which extends the O-Train Confederation Line east and west, and Trillium Line farther south – The City of Ottawa has undertaken a Stage 2 Station Connectivity Study to ensure that community connections are preserved and enhanced along the expanded O-Train system. The study outlines a series of mobility enhancements, including bicycle facilities, multi-use pathways and crosswalks.

We invite you to give us your feedback on the study at a series of public consultations being held from
7 to 9 p.m. at the following locations:

East Stations:

Montreal Road, Jeanne d'Arc, Orléans Blvd., Place d'Orléans and Trim - August 29, 2016 - Bob MacQuarrie Recreation Complex, 1490 Youville Drive

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by waterloowarrior

Stage 2 Light Rail Transit (LRT) Connectivity Public Consultations
Let's get connected!
As part of the LRT Stage 2 project – which extends the O-Train Confederation Line east and west, and Trillium Line farther south – The City of Ottawa has undertaken a Stage 2 Station Connectivity Study to ensure that community connections are preserved and enhanced along the expanded O-Train system. The study outlines a series of mobility enhancements, including bicycle facilities, multi-use pathways and crosswalks.

We invite you to give us your feedback on the study at a series of public consultations being held from 7 to 9 p.m. at the following locations:

East Stations:

Montreal Road, Jeanne d'Arc, Orléans Blvd., Place d'Orléans and Trim - August 29, 2016 - Bob MacQuarrie Recreation Complex, 1490 Youville Drive

That's a single location, and not a terribly convenient one - for transit users - either.

[TransitZilla]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

That's a single location, and not a terribly convenient one - for transit users - either.

It's right beside Jeanne d'Arc station.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by bradnixon

It's right beside Jeanne d'Arc station.

Yip. Not an easy spot to get to for those of us whose main interest are the proposed stations inside the Greenbelt.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by waterloowarrior

Stage 2 Light Rail Transit (LRT) Connectivity Public Consultations
Let's get connected!
As part of the LRT Stage 2 project – which extends the O-Train Confederation Line east and west, and Trillium Line farther south – The City of Ottawa has undertaken a Stage 2 Station Connectivity Study to ensure that community connections are preserved and enhanced along the expanded O-Train system. The study outlines a series of mobility enhancements, including bicycle facilities, multi-use pathways and crosswalks.

We invite you to give us your feedback on the study at a series of public consultations being held from
7 to 9 p.m. at the following locations:

East Stations:

Montreal Road, Jeanne d'Arc, Orléans Blvd., Place d'Orléans and Trim - August 29, 2016 - Bob MacQuarrie Recreation Complex, 1490 Youville Drive

The fact that we have now eliminated all stations between Place d'Orleans and Trim means that we are really minimizing intensification possibilities. We will continue to under-develop land that is adjacent to the line but with no connections. If the plan is to add stations later after the area is fully develops, that still limits what intensification does takes place. Adding rapid transit access after development is completed is an old approach and just perpetuates car oriented suburban design.