Crime in Calgary

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by kw5150

[Mar] is persuaded and pressured by all the rich folk up in mount royal and the surrounding uppity condos.

So would you instead want the area purged of Mount Royal and all the upscale condo towers? You can't have condo towers there without people who can afford them. You also can't have families there without listening to what the families have issues with. Lastly, I think the repeated police complaints and the hard evidence the police have provided the city is difficult to ignore.

I so much want the beltline to be the best neighbourhood in the country, but if the people in the beltline such as KW can't open their eyes and admit that it is a work in progress, it will not improve.

http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/17-ave-sta...ital-1.1018203

According to police, officers were called to the 1200 block of 17 Ave. S.W. just prior to 3:00 a.m.

Officers found the victim on a nearby sidewalk on 16 Ave. S.W. surrounded by a number of the man’s friends.

[Radley77]

Originally Posted by kw5150

Its also not Mar's idea exclusively. He is persuaded and pressured by all the rich folk up in mount royal and the surrounding uppity condos. I think 17th is actually fine the way it is with the odd outburst happening from time to time.

I think that the baby boomer demographic could bring vibrancy on the Red Mile to another level. I believe there is potential in the Beltline for places like Cibo, Model Milk, 80th & Ivy and such to really transform the Beltline into a place where all Calgarians want to be as offering the best food and comedy clubs... There is a really awesome synergy between places like the Saddledome/Calgary Centre for the Performing Arts/Casino and Scarth/Red Mile and Nuera/Keynote and there is much more potential already being realized than a simple drinking hole.

[kw5150]

You are the master of putting words in people's mouths. Im just simply clarifying that it is not only Mar's idea. He is the voice of a very vocal community. People always jump to blame the councilor.

Maybe it is a bad idea to limit the bars, maybe it isn't. I will leave that up to the 17th ave businesses and the skilled councillors to decide. I dont see any mega clubs popping up so what is the issue?? Cant they just add more police presence in the evenings?? A cruiser driving by every 2-5 minutes during peak party hour?

The party crowd has to go somewhere......and damn I have had some great nights in Calgary.

Originally Posted by suburbia

So would you instead want the area purged of Mount Royal and all the upscale condo towers? You can't have condo towers there without people who can afford them. You also can't have families there without listening to what the families have issues with. Lastly, I think the repeated police complaints and the hard evidence the police have provided the city is difficult to ignore.

I so much want the beltline to be the best neighbourhood in the country, but if the people in the beltline such as KW can't open their eyes and admit that it is a work in progress, it will not improve.

http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/17-ave-sta...ital-1.1018203

[kw5150]

Originally Posted by Radley77

I think that the baby boomer demographic could bring vibrancy on the Red Mile to another level. I believe there is potential in the Beltline for places like Cibo, Model Milk, 80th & Ivy and such to really transform the Beltline into a place where all Calgarians want to be as offering the best food and comedy clubs... There is a really awesome synergy between places like the Saddledome/Calgary Centre for the Performing Arts/Casino and Scarth/Red Mile and Nuera/Keynote and there is much more potential already being realized than a simple drinking hole.

agree, but I guess the issue is too premature for me to formulate some kind of verdict. It will all work itself out.

[Bigtime]

As long as Ming is always there I will love 17th.

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by kw5150

Cant they just add more police presence in the evenings?? A cruiser driving by every 2-5 minutes during peak party hour?

Perhaps increased security presence, on-call riot police and an additional helicopter are an answer (along the lines of what you've suggested), though I'd hope that the underlying causes can be dealt with instead. A cruiser every two minutes is a little over-the-top in my view. Irrespective, perhaps the added costs of servicing the beltline should be considered in their municipal tax formula, instead of reducing their property taxes given the negative effect of the crime on their perceived property values?

Originally Posted by kw5150

You are the master of putting words in people's mouths.

Those weren't words that I put in your mouth.

Originally Posted by Bigtime

As long as Ming is always there I will love 17th.

17th ave is a nice place to visit. It still has a long way to go to be like the Toronto entertainment district.

See this block in Toronto (walk down the side of the street the streetview is looking at). Would like to see that type of density with these types of establishments. Can only be anchored by upper-end entertainment, upper-end hotels and upper-end residences though.
http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=toronto...208.17,,0,-3.1

[kw5150]

Thats not what I suggested at all. They already drive by frequently. Its just not that bad down there at night. Wider sidewalks would certainly help so you dont have to weave through drunks.....

I just dont have the answers to this problem and I wont jump to conclusions.

Originally Posted by suburbia

Perhaps increased security presence, on-call riot police and an additional helicopter are an answer (along the lines of what you've suggested), though I'd hope that the underlying causes can be dealt with instead. A cruiser every two minutes is a little over-the-top in my view. Irrespective, perhaps the added costs of servicing the beltline should be considered in their municipal tax formula, instead of reducing their property taxes given the negative effect of the crime on their perceived property values?

[DizzyEdge]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

As long as Ming is always there I will love 17th.

Agreed. I'd love to see a lot more bars around like Ming or Milktiger, narrow and intimate.

[DizzyEdge]

Originally Posted by suburbia

See this block in Toronto (walk down the side of the street the streetview is looking at). Would like to see that type of density with these types of establishments. Can only be anchored by upper-end entertainment, upper-end hotels and upper-end residences though.
http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=toronto...208.17,,0,-3.1

You know, what is boils down to is all those places on that street are far more "Ming" or "Wine-ohs" than "Roadhouse" or "Hudsons". Martini bars and tapas houses vs bars and clubs. I wonder what the effect would be to restrict bars of a certain size away from residential.

[Ayreonaut]

Ming and the Ship are my two most common stops on 17th. I'd love to see more Ming-like places on the strip.

[Radley77]

Originally Posted by DizzyEdge

You know, what is boils down to is all those places on that street are far more "Ming" or "Wine-ohs" than "Roadhouse" or "Hudsons". Martini bars and tapas houses vs bars and clubs. I wonder what the effect would be to restrict bars of a certain size away from residential.

Yeah, it's really those places that are cranking out a lot of intoxicated to the point of puking and yelling places that I think detracts from a lot of the positive vibrancy. Maybe that will now gravitate towards the new Cowboy's Casino?

[DizzyEdge]

Wedding guest taken to hospital after violent northeast stabbing

Read more: http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/We...#ixzz2BwswPElB

The suburban vs urban parrying is fun and all, but it seems lately there have been a LOT of violence in East calgary lately.

[RyLucky]

Originally Posted by DizzyEdge

You know, what is boils down to is all those places on that street are far more "Ming" or "Wine-ohs" than "Roadhouse" or "Hudsons". Martini bars and tapas houses vs bars and clubs. I wonder what the effect would be to restrict bars of a certain size away from residential.

That's an interesting idea.

Then again, I'm biased. I like the small places, I like the nights that involve venue changes and spontaneity, and I like not having to commit to a single venue. I dislike paying cover unless there's live music, I dislike "drinking factories" like craft and everything in arm's reach of Paul Vickers. I also dislike places that are "offensively expensive" and as my brother puts it, places that base their business practices on the belief that humans are inherently evil (ie. having a policy that demands they hold a $50 deposit on your credit card in case you steal their fancy $8 drinking boot). The behaviour of every bouncer is necessarily an extension of the management's business philosophy.

I agree with Dizzy, narrow and intimate is the way forward. Maybe it makes me feel more valued as a customer.

[Radley77]

Cool art project at a Bridgeland private school featuring David Brunning (The Kid Belo) as a strategy to combat graffiti vandalism:

• Video Link

http://www.thekidbelo.com/

[MarkL]

Originally Posted by artvandelay

This is nonsense. 17th Avenue is tame by any reasonable standard, it's actually a more subdued crowd since most of the establishments are pubs and lounges rather than nightclubs. I live quite close to the avenue and I've never had any complaints nor heard any from my neighbours. If you want to see crazy, go to Whyte Ave after the bars close - It's like the wild west, but there is always a noticeable police presence to keep things under control.

I assume that this is just another attempt by current businesses to limit competition - more establishments coming in will drive up lease rates and cut into the margins of existing bars and pubs. It's also concerning that we are taking cues from Toronto (the city that fun forgot) on these issues. We should be looking to Montreal rather, and making an effort to develop a vibrant nightlife district. I've said before that Electric Avenue was a better location than 17th for this because there is not really any residential nearby. It's a shame the city shut it down.

17th Avenue is fine. If anything it could use some more bars and restaurants to fill out the "empty" spots. As far as entertainment districts go, it's reasonable.

There are the same complaints in every city (see Toronto above) that has an entertainment district, particularly when it's new-ish, or gentrifying. Over time people will accept that buying a Townhouse one block off 17th is going to come with the occasional drunk pissing on their lawn. They will still complain about it though.

17th Ave. is the result of already existing rule changes that break up the "clusters" of bars that were a particular problem in the Electric Avenue heyday and more recently on First Street. Breaking it up any more is going to start seriously affecting the walkability and street vibrancy necessary for 17th to even function as an "entertainment district".

The City should be making no major changes, paying some lip-service to the (always) existing complainers, and perhaps adding a few more CPS foot patrols at high traffic times. In my opinion.

[MarkL]

Oh, also:

The Suburban Crime Rampage continues:

November

330 plant grow op busted:
http://newsroom.calgary.ca/pr/calgar...ed-240792.aspx

Luckily a suspect has been caught in the latest suburban stabbing:
http://newsroom.calgary.ca/pr/calgar...th-240756.aspx

Keep an eye open for this sexual assault suspect who attacked a 15 year old girl in the southeast:
http://newsroom.calgary.ca/pr/calgar...nt-240705.aspx

There's been another spree of car and home Break and Enters in the communities of Panorama, Citadel, Edgemont, Coventry Hills, Hidden Valley, Harvest Hills, Hawkwood and Arbour Lake:
http://newsroom.calgary.ca/pr/calgar...ak-240608.aspx

Kidnapping and Robbery in the NE:
http://newsroom.calgary.ca/pr/calgar...nd-240553.aspx

[kw5150]

Well, it goes with the territory. Crappy built homes and crappy planning fundamentals brings trashy people. (Maybe Im generalizing just a bit? )

Originally Posted by MarkL

Oh, also:

The Suburban Crime Rampage continues:

November

330 plant grow op busted:
http://newsroom.calgary.ca/pr/calgar...ed-240792.aspx

Luckily a suspect has been caught in the latest suburban stabbing:
http://newsroom.calgary.ca/pr/calgar...th-240756.aspx

Keep an eye open for this sexual assault suspect who attacked a 15 year old girl in the southeast:
http://newsroom.calgary.ca/pr/calgar...nt-240705.aspx

There's been another spree of car and home Break and Enters in the communities of Panorama, Citadel, Edgemont, Coventry Hills, Hidden Valley, Harvest Hills, Hawkwood and Arbour Lake:
http://newsroom.calgary.ca/pr/calgar...ak-240608.aspx

Kidnapping and Robbery in the NE:
http://newsroom.calgary.ca/pr/calgar...nd-240553.aspx

[freeweed]

I can't believe no one's brought this up yet.

[DizzyEdge]

First murder of the year in Taradale
http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/ca...152/story.html

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by freeweed

I can't believe no one's brought this up yet.

Yeah - really a sad situation. Looks like the guy opened up his home to a fellow with quite the CV.