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Old Posted Dec 1, 2009, 3:21 PM
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It would be great if the LRT could enter from Sterling St, enter the campus, exit out University St and get on Main St heading towards Dundas.

But that would slow down the service.

They could elevate the LRT tracks along Main St, hug close to the Hospital and return back to Main St. This is what I believe will likely happen.
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Old Posted Dec 2, 2009, 2:36 PM
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Rapid response to rapid transit
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December 03, 2009
Wade Hemsworth
The Hamilton Spectator
http://www.thespec.com/News/Local/article/683673

If the response at McMaster University is any indication, there is strong public interest in a rapid transit link across Hamilton.

The first two days of a transit survey by the city and the university surprised officials by drawing more than 1,200 responses from students, faculty and staff.

"This is exactly what we're after," said Jill Stephen, Hamilton's acting director of strategic planning and rapid transit. "I think it's a very positive and very strong message that they're sending by showing so much interest so soon."

The survey asks about transit use and preferences and how they might change with a light rail system.

City staff were on campus Tuesday and yesterday collecting opinions on paper, and online responses are expected to keep coming in for about a week.

(The McMaster survey is available at hamilton.ca/rapid-transit).

McMaster and the city are working together to plan a campus terminal for a new cross-town rapid transit line, which would run between Eastgate Square and the university.

The city is hoping for a new light rail system as it works with the southern Ontario transit planning agency, Metrolinx, which is expected to announce a funding decision early in the new year.

If there is no money for rail, a rapid bus line is the city's next best option.

More than half of all Hamilton Street Railway ridership uses the Main-King corridor, which would form the spine of the new line, and similar consultation is planned for other neighbourhoods along the planned route.

The McMaster survey invites ideas about where a campus terminal should go.

Four general locations are under consideration: on Main Street West in front of the hospital; on University Avenue where it meets the back corner of the hospital; in the area of the existing GO terminal just off Cootes Drive; and near the Sterling Street entrance.

McMaster spokesperson Gord Arbeau said the university is enthusiastic about the prospect of a campus terminal. He said the ultimate location needs to balance convenience with existing McMaster priorities, namely preserving greenspace and keeping the centre of campus friendly for pedestrians.
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Old Posted Dec 23, 2009, 12:12 PM
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Metrolinx decision delayed until February

December 23, 2009
The Hamilton Spectator
http://www.thespec.com/News/Local/article/695758

The wait for news about the future of rapid transit in Hamilton will be a little longer.

The city was expecting a recommendation on whether Hamilton will receive buses or light rail -- the preferred option -- in January.

But the city's chief rapid transit adviser says it won't hear from Metrolinx, the Golden Horseshoe public transportation body, until February.

Jill Stephen, the city's director of strategic and environmental planning, says she expects a recommendation from Metrolinx at their Feb. 19 board meeting.

Metrolinx was originally scheduled to recommend LRT or dedicated bus lanes in July. That date has been pushed back three times.

John Howe, vice-president of investment strategy at Metrolinx, said the timeline changed from January to February when the Metrolinx board schedule was finalized.

Howe said the final decision on Hamilton's rapid transit plans will be left up to the Ministry of Transportation.

Though Hamilton's proposal is one of nine transit projects in the GTA vying for cash, its role in the Pan Am Games may be a factor in the decision, Howe said.

However, the ministry was cautious about making a link.

"We recognize just how important of a role public transit within the GTHA will play during the Games," said ministry spokesperson Emna Dhahak. "We look forward to advice from the Pan Am Games corporation as to their transportation needs in Hamilton for the two-week-long Games."
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Old Posted Dec 23, 2009, 8:02 PM
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These delays are fucking ridiculous. With the Pan Am games, we have a very strict timeline on getting this done. Dragging our heels is not an option.
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Old Posted Dec 23, 2009, 8:24 PM
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Robert Prichard is now at the helm of Metrolinx and his record at The Toronto Star hardly instills confidence.
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I'm worried that what Metrolinx sees as LRT doesn't jive with what is being proposed by the city task force, which so far is basically just streetcar service on dedicated tracks.
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If you keep stop spacing high enough, and have well implemented signal priority, streetcar service on dedicated tracks can be pretty fast.
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Old Posted Dec 23, 2009, 9:30 PM
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I won't worry unless they further delay the report again. If they do you can pretty much count funding for B-Line out of the 2010 Budget.
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Old Posted Dec 23, 2009, 9:59 PM
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I'm worried that what Metrolinx sees as LRT doesn't jive with what is being proposed by the city task force, which so far is basically just streetcar service on dedicated tracks.
I don't believe it, someone here who understands what is being proposed. I thought I was the only one who sees this proposal for what it is.
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Metrolinx decision delayed until February

December 23, 2009
The Hamilton Spectator
http://www.thespec.com/News/Local/article/695758

The wait for news about the future of rapid transit in Hamilton will be a little longer.

The city was expecting a recommendation on whether Hamilton will receive buses or light rail -- the preferred option -- in January.

But the city's chief rapid transit adviser says it won't hear from Metrolinx, the Golden Horseshoe public transportation body, until February.

Jill Stephen, the city's director of strategic and environmental planning, says she expects a recommendation from Metrolinx at their Feb. 19 board meeting.

Metrolinx was originally scheduled to recommend LRT or dedicated bus lanes in July. That date has been pushed back three times.

John Howe, vice-president of investment strategy at Metrolinx, said the timeline changed from January to February when the Metrolinx board schedule was finalized.

Howe said the final decision on Hamilton's rapid transit plans will be left up to the Ministry of Transportation.

Though Hamilton's proposal is one of nine transit projects in the GTA vying for cash, its role in the Pan Am Games may be a factor in the decision, Howe said.

However, the ministry was cautious about making a link.

"We recognize just how important of a role public transit within the GTHA will play during the Games," said ministry spokesperson Emna Dhahak. "We look forward to advice from the Pan Am Games corporation as to their transportation needs in Hamilton for the two-week-long Games."
If I was a paranoid person, I'd think that the province has put the brakes on some of the LRT projects in the GTA due to financial constraints. But they don't want to come out and say it. Instead (in Hamilton's case) they're going to keep dragging things out as long as possible until there isn't enough time to complete even the western part of the LRT before the Pan Am games. At which point they make a big announcement that the whole project is on hold until after the games, so as not to interfere with the tourists.

It's a good thing I'm not paranoid
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I share this concern. The provincial budget deficit is just colossal at this point with a lot of public sector wage increases already locked in.
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Downtown businesses oppose LRT route

January 12, 2010
By Meredith MacLeod
Hamilton Spectator
http://www.thespec.com/News/BreakingNews/article/703724

Business owners in downtown Hamilton want the city to take another crack at its plan for routing a proposed light-rail transit line.

The boards of the both the Downtown Hamilton Business Improvement Area (BIA) and the International Village BIA are opposed to a proposal to run an east-west B-line from Eastgate Square to McMaster along King Street. The BIA boards originally recommended running the lines along Main Street but now say they would support splitting the east-west routes between Main and King streets.

Business owners fear that impacts on parking and car and truck travel will keep customers away and make it difficult to get deliveries. As well, a proposal to make a narrow stretch of King west of Wellington a pedestrian and transit-only section is drawing fire. “When you talk about closing down the street from Wellington, that’s the entrance to the business area and that scares the hell out of us,” said Gord Thompson, whose downtown jewellery and pawn shop is a King Street fixture.

A city report contends that King is best suited to the economic revival mass transit can bring and that Main Street will be better able to handle vehicle traffic, potentially becoming two-way.
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Now a pawn shop gets to dictate where rapid transit routes will go?
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Old Posted Jan 13, 2010, 6:47 AM
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This is just the beginning of the opposition.

I have been saying all along that this proposal wouldn't fly and from what I am hearing, aside from these two groups, the more details that are released the more that opposition is going to grow. You can't propose shutting down one of the busiest streets in the city and not expect there to be problems.

I wouldn't get my hopes up about LRT anytime soon.
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Old Posted Jan 13, 2010, 12:08 PM
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Downtown businesses reject King-only LRT

January 13, 2010
Meredith Macleod
The Hamilton Spectator
http://www.thespec.com/News/Local/article/704042

Business owners in downtown Hamilton are opposed to a plan to run light rail transit east and west on King Street.

Board members of both the Downtown Hamilton Business Improvement Area and the International Village BIA want the east and west B-line between Eastgate Square and McMaster split between Main and King streets.

The proposed $650-million project has yet to be approved by Metrolinx or the province.

The BIAs are reacting to a city proposal that would mean no on-street parking from Eastgate Square to University Plaza, a pedestrian and transit-only section of King west of Wellington, and no left turns except at lights.

It could also mean converting Main Street to two-way traffic.

The business owners fear the moves will make it less convenient for people to frequent downtown stores and restaurants, says Kathy Drewitt, executive director of the Downtown Hamilton BIA.

She said the downtown BIAs are "very supportive of LRT and we want to see it in the downtown but we can't see it all down King Street."

The city hopes to use the LRT as an economic stimulus for the corridor. Transit experts say the benefits of rapid transit to users and area businesses are intensified when lines are close together and riders can get on and off in the same location.

City staff argue Main Street is better able to handle car traffic and that King is more suitable for business intensification.

Drewitt says King and Main are only a block apart and that economic benefits could be spread along both -- and the north-south streets in between -- if the lines were split.

Tim Bullock, chairperson of the Downtown Hamilton BIA, said putting the LRT on King Street alone could make things too crowded there. "It's difficult to figure out how everyone will live together in there -- cars, pedestrians and LRT," he said. "They're cramming a lot into that corridor."

He said business owners are generally supportive of the LRT concept but worried about the practical details, such as getting deliveries and whether the system will mean unsightly overhead wires.

"When you talk about closing down (King Street) from Wellington, that's the entrance to the business area and that scares the hell out of us," said Gord Thompson, whose downtown jewellery and pawn shop is a King Street fixture.

Downtown Councillor Bob Bratina thinks both LRT lines should run along Main. He says the street is less meandering, wider and doesn't require any property expropriation.

Two streetcar lines used to run along Main years ago, with cars sharing the road.

"I can't see why we can't revisit Main again," said Bratina, adding he worries many King Street businesses might not survive two years of construction.

Jill Stephen, the city's director of strategic and environmental planning, isn't worried the opposition will affect Metrolinx's views of the Hamilton project. She says the concerns are being raised at a good time.

"We're not so far into the planning and design process that we can't adjust, mitigate or change things."

The BIAs have asked Stephen to walk King Street and meet with merchants.

"This is a huge plan ... and there will be growing pains and things people have to get used to," she said.

"Change is hard, we know that, but it's not impossible ... The long-term benefits will outweigh the short-term inconveniences."

The Metrolinx decision about whether Hamilton will get LRT or bus rapid transit is expected Feb. 19.
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I actually agree with everything they are saying. They are being especially lenient in going with split Main/King operations. Two way LRT on that tiny slice of King is going to kill the traffic flow. As it is in it's current configuration, traffic gets REALLY bad at rush hour, and pretty congested at other times of the day.

I really think the best course of action is putting all of the LRT on Main St with 1 lane of traffic in each direction on either side. Possibly street parking on the South side.
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I've always preferred Main as well. Hopefully this will change their minds.
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