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Old Posted Oct 21, 2006, 12:31 PM
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Ok, just to help the reader to know what's the situation currently, here are the current Top10s of main European skylines according to Emporis. I've counted in those only the building completed or under construction. Hence doesn't appear there the approved or proposed projects.

The mentionned skyline have all a cumulated height of the Top10 buildings which is superior to 1,000 m. I didn't have the courage to investigate further, so sorry if you city don't appear.

Hope it helps !

Moscow, Russia
Cumulated heights of Top10 buildings: 2 669 m
  1. Federation Tower A : 354 m (u/c)
  2. City Hall and City Duma : 307 m (u/c)
  3. Plot 12 : 305 m (u/c)
  4. Moscow : 274 m (u/c)
  5. Triumph Palace : 264 m
  6. Naberezhnaya Tower C : 250 m (u/c)
  7. Federation Tower B : 242 m (u/c)
  8. Moscow State University : 240 m
  9. St Petersburg : 235 m (u/c)
  10. Hotel Ukraine : 198 m

Frankfurt, Germany
Cumulated heights of Top10 buildings: 1 920 m
  1. Commerbank Tower : 259 m
  2. MesseTurm : 257 m
  3. Westendstrasse 1 : 208 m
  4. Main Tower : 200 m
  5. Trianon : 186 m
  6. Metzler Bank : 175 m
  7. Silver Tower : 166 m
  8. Plaza Büro Center : 159 m
  9. Deutsche Bank 1 : 155 m
  10. Deutsche Bank 2 : 155 m

Paris, France
Cumulated heights of Top10 buildings: 1 785 m
  1. Tour Montparnasse : 210 m
  2. Tour Total : 187 m
  3. Tour T1 : 185 m (u/c)
  4. Tour Areva : 184 m
  5. Tour Granite : 180 m (u/c)
  6. Tour Gan : 179 m
  7. Tour Chassagne : 167 m
  8. Tour Alicante : 167 m
  9. Tour EDF : 165 m
  10. Cœur Défense : 161 m

London, United Kingdom
Cumulated heights of Top10 buildings: 1 766 m
  1. One Canada Square : 235 m
  2. 8 Canada Square : 200 m
  3. 25 Canada Square : 200 m
  4. Tower 42 : 183 m
  5. Swiss Re : 180 m
  6. Broadgate Tower : 161 m (u/c)
  7. One Churchill Place : 156 m
  8. 25 Bank Street : 153 m
  9. 10 Upper Bank Street : 151 m
  10. Pan Peninsula East Tower : 147 m (u/c)

Madrid, Spain
Cumulated heights of Top10 buildings: 1 723 m
  1. Torre Repsol : 250 m (u/c)
  2. Torre de Cristal : 249 m (u/c)
  3. Torre Sacyr Vallehermoso : 236 m (u/c)
  4. Torre Espacio : 223 m (u/c)
  5. Torre Picasso : 156 m
  6. Torre de Madrid : 142 m
  7. Tore Europa : 120 m
  8. Edificio España : 117 m
  9. Torre Colón : 116 m
  10. Puerta de Europa I : 114 m

Istanbul, Turkey
Cumulated heights of Top10 buildings: 1 712 m
  1. Diamond of Istanbul : 270 m (u/c)
  2. Isbank Tower 1 : 181 m
  3. Sisli Plaza : 170 m (u/c)
  4. Teksilkent Plaza 1 : 168 m
  5. Teksilkent Plaza 2 : 168 m
  6. Akbank Tower : 158 m
  7. Süzer Plaza Ritz Carlton : 154 m
  8. Polat Tower Residence : 153 m
  9. Sun Plaza : 147 m
  10. TAT Tower 1 : 143 m

Warsaw, Poland
Cumulated heights of Top10 buildings: 1 534 m
  1. Palace of Culture and Science : 231 m
  2. Warsaw Trade Tower : 208 m
  3. Intercontinental Warszawa : 164 m
  4. Rondo 1-B : 159 m
  5. Warsaw Financial Center : 144 m
  6. Centrum LIM : 140 m
  7. Oxford Tower : 139 m
  8. TP S.A. Tower : 122 m
  9. FIM Tower : 115 m
  10. Millennium Plaza : 112 m

Ankara, Turkey
Cumulated heights of Top10 buildings: 1 344 m
  1. Sheraton Hotel : 143 m
  2. Dikmen Valley Tower 1 : 140 m
  3. Dikmen Valley Tower 2 : 140 m
  4. Dikmen Valley Tower 3 : 140 m
  5. Dikmen Valley Tower 4 : 140 m
  6. TOBB Towers 1 : 140 m
  7. TOBB Towers 2 : 140 m
  8. Halkbank Headquarters : 123 m
  9. Armada Tower : 123 m
  10. Portas Tower 2 : 115 m

Vienna, Austria
Cumulated heights of Top10 buildings: 1 273 m
  1. Millennium Tower : 202 m
  2. Hochhaus Neue Donau : 150 m
  3. Vienna Twin Towers : 138 m
  4. IZD Tower : 130 m
  5. VIC Building B : 127 m
  6. Florido Tower : 113 m
  7. Mischek Tower : 108 m
  8. Rathaus : 105 m
  9. VIC Building A : 101 m
  10. Delugan Meissl Tower : 99 m

Milan, Italy
Cumulated heights of Top10 buildings: 1 265 m
  1. Torre Varesine 1 : 175 m (u/c)
  2. Regione Lombardia : 160 m (u/c)
  3. Torre Hines 1 : 145 m (u/c)
  4. Torre Varesine 2 : 130 m (u/c)
  5. Pirelli Building : 127 m
  6. Torre Breda : 117 m
  7. Torre Galfa : 109 m
  8. Torre Velasca : 106 m
  9. Ferrovie dello Stato 1 : 98 m
  10. Ferrovie dello Stato 2 : 98 m

Rotterdam, Netherlands
Cumulated heights of Top10 buildings: 1 243 m
  1. Gebouw Delftse Poort 1 : 151 m
  2. Millennium Tower : 149 m
  3. Montevideo : 140 m
  4. World Port Center : 138 m
  5. The Red Apple : 128 m (u/c)
  6. Medische Faculiteit : 114 m
  7. Waterstadtoren : 109 m
  8. Weenatoren : 106 m
  9. Weena-Center : 104 m
  10. De Coopvaert : 104 m

Benidorm, Spain
Cumulated heights of Top10 buildings: 1 240 m
  1. Gran Hotel Bali : 186 m
  2. Torre Lugano : 158 m (u/c)
  3. Neguri Gane : 145 m
  4. Torre Levante : 120 m
  5. Costa Blanca 1 : 116 m
  6. Beni Beach : 110 m
  7. Plaza Ayul : 105 m
  8. Gemelos 22 torre 1 : 100 m
  9. Gemelos 22 torre 2 : 100 m
  10. Torre Doscalas : 100 m

Cologne, Germany
Cumulated heights of Top10 buildings: 1 197 m
  1. KölnTurm : 148 m
  2. Colonia-Haus : 147 m
  3. Büroturm Deutsche Welle : 138 m
  4. Uni-Center : 131 m
  5. TÜV Rheinland : 112 m
  6. Ringturm : 109 m
  7. Land- und Amtsgericht : 105 m
  8. LVR-Turm : 103 m
  9. Herkules-Hochhaus : 102 m
  10. DeutschlandRadio : 102 m

Brussels, Belgium
Cumulated heights of Top10 buildings: 1 184 m
  1. Tour du Midi : 150 m
  2. Tour Finances : 145 m
  3. Dexia Tower : 137 m (u/c)
  4. Madou Plaza : 120 m
  5. Astro Tower : 107 m
  6. North Galaxy A : 107 m
  7. North Galaxy B : 107 m
  8. World Trade Center Tower III : 105 m
  9. Palais de Justice : 104 m
  10. Belgacom Tower I : 102 m

Barcelona, Spain
Cumulated heights of Top10 buildings: 1 156 m
  1. Hotel Arts Barcelona : 154 m
  2. Torre Mapfre : 154 m
  3. Torre Agbar : 144 m
  4. Habitat Sky : 115 m (u/c)
  5. Edificio Colón : 110 m
  6. Hotel Princess Barcelona : 109 m
  7. Diagonal Mar i Cel : 104 m (u/c)
  8. Illa del Mar 1 : 90 m (u/c)
  9. Hotel AC Barcelona : 88 m
  10. Consorci de la Zona Franca : 88 m

Naples, Italy
Cumulated heights of Top10 buildings: 1 152 m
  1. Telecom Italia : 129 m
  2. Torre ENEL 1 : 123 m
  3. Torre ENEL 2 : 123 m
  4. Torre Francesco : 118 m
  5. Torre Saverio : 118 m
  6. Consilio Regionale Campania : 115 m
  7. New Law Courts Tower A : 110 m
  8. New Law Courts Tower B : 110 m
  9. Societa' Cattolica Di Assicurazioni : 105 m
  10. Ambassador's Palace Hotel : 101 m

Bratislava, Slovakia
Cumulated heights of Top10 buildings: 1 104 m
  1. Panorama City I : 135 m (u/c)
  2. Panorama City II : 135 m (u/c)
  3. Tower 115 : 115 m
  4. Nbs : 111 m
  5. Slovak TV : 108 m
  6. CBC : 107 m (u/c)
  7. Tower Residence : 107 m (u/c)
  8. Gloria : 100 m
  9. Aupark tower : 96 m (u/c)
  10. Technopol : 90 m

Berlin, Germany
Cumulated heights of Top10 buildings: 1 067 m
  1. Park Inn Berlin Alexanderplatz : 125 m
  2. Hochhaus Treptower : 125 m
  3. Steglitzer Kreisel : 119 m
  4. Debis Tower : 106 m
  5. Kudamm Karree : 102 m
  6. Die Pyramide : 100 m
  7. BfA : 100 m
  8. Charité : 100 m
  9. Internationales Handelszentrum : 96 m
  10. Bahn Tower : 94 m

Amsterdam, Netherlands
Cumulated heights of Top10 buildings: 1 060 m
  1. Rembrandttoren : 150 m
  2. Mondriaantoren : 123 m
  3. WTC H Toren : 105 m
  4. ABN AMRO World HQ : 105 m
  5. Ito-Toren : 100 m
  6. Millennium Tower : 98 m
  7. Crystal Tower : 95 m
  8. Mahler 4 Viñoly : 95 m
  9. Breitner Center : 95 m
  10. Oval Tower : 94 m

Munich, Germany
Cumulated heights of Top10 buildings: 1 036 m
  1. Hochhaus Uptown München : 146 m
  2. Highlight I : 126 m
  3. Hypo-Haus : 114 m
  4. Highlight II : 113 m
  5. SV-Zentrale : 103 m (u/c)
  6. BMW AG : 101 m
  7. Seniorenwohnsitz Westpark : 87 m
  8. Bürogebäude am Münchner Tor : 85 m
  9. Munich City Tower : 85 m
  10. Helene-Mayer-Ring 10 : 76 m

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Old Posted Oct 27, 2006, 11:44 PM
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Bratislava, Slovakia
total 1104m

1. panorama city I: 135m U/C
2. panorama city II: 135m U/C
3. Tower 115: 115m
4. Nbs: 111m
5. Slovak TV: 108m
6. CBC: 107m U/C
7. tower Residence: 107m U/C
8. Gloria: 100m
9. Aupark tower: 96m U/C.
10. Technopol: 90m
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Ok, just to help the reader to know what's the situation currently, here are the current Top10s of main European skylines according to Emporis. I've counted in those only the building completed or under construction. Hence doesn't appear there the approved or proposed projects.

The mentionned skyline have all a cumulated height of the Top10 buildings which is superior to 1,000 m. I didn't have the courage to investigate further, so sorry if you city don't appear.

Hope it helps !

Moscow, Russia
Cumulated heights of Top10 buildings: 2 669 m
  1. Federation Tower A : 354 m (u/c)
  2. City Hall and City Duma : 307 m (u/c)
  3. Plot 12 : 305 m (u/c)
  4. Moscow : 274 m (u/c)
  5. Triumph Palace : 264 m
  6. Naberezhnaya Tower C : 250 m (u/c)
  7. Federation Tower B : 242 m (u/c)
  8. Moscow State University : 240 m
  9. St Petersburg : 235 m (u/c)
  10. Hotel Ukraine : 198 m
Looks like Emporis is outdated for Moscow

a better Moscow list

1. Russia Tower 600 m approved
2. Ostankino TV tower 540 m
3. Federation Tower 448 m U/C
4. Mercury Tower 380 m U/C
5. City Hall 308 m U/C
6. Parcel 12 305 m U/C
7. Moscow 274 m U/C
8. Triumph Palace 264 m
9. Naberezhnaja Tower C 252 m U/C
10. Moscow State University 240 m
11. St. Petersburg 235 m U/C
12. Imperia Tower (60 floors) - instead of Aqua City Palace (50 floors)
design not finalized, probably higher than 250 m

for height calculation mind these details:

1. Federation Tower consists of Tower B 242m, Tower A 354 m, and Tower C 448 m
2. City Hall is actually four independent towers connected by skybridges
3. you may not want to count the TV tower, it is not a building

coth, could you check this?
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Old Posted Oct 28, 2006, 2:12 PM
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Looks like Emporis is outdated for Moscow

a better Moscow list

1. Russia Tower 600 m approved
2. Ostankino TV tower 540 m
3. Federation Tower 448 m U/C
4. Mercury Tower 380 m U/C
5. City Hall 308 m U/C
6. Parcel 12 305 m U/C
7. Moscow 274 m U/C
8. Triumph Palace 264 m
9. Naberezhnaja Tower C 252 m U/C
10. Moscow State University 240 m
11. St. Petersburg 235 m U/C
12. Imperia Tower (60 floors) - instead of Aqua City Palace (50 floors)
design not finalized, probably higher than 250 m

for height calculation mind these details:

1. Federation Tower consists of Tower B 242m, Tower A 354 m, and Tower C 448 m
2. City Hall is actually four independent towers connected by skybridges
3. you may not want to count the TV tower, it is not a building

coth, could you check this?
The Top10s I've posted only considers highrise buildings. If you look at it carefully, there's no Eiffel Tower for Paris, no Fernsehturm for Berlin. What you consider the "Tower C" of the Federation Tower is simply a mast, that's why I haven't counted it.

Furthermore the Top10s I've posted only considers building which are either already built or currently under construction. Do you see any Bishopsgate Tower or London Bridge Tower in London's list ?

As for the City Hall, I have long hesitated to know whether I should consider it as a single building or as 4 buildings, and I've finally decided to consider it as only one for the simple reason that they aren't simply connected by one single bridge a bit as the Petronas in KL, but actually by 32 skybridges on multiple floors with a glass wall between them. When you look at it, you see more a polycentric tower than 4 skyscrapers :



As a result, the only tower I've missed was the Mercury Tower. Thanks for this.
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I would not call FT C as a mast. It is very unique concept there. It is architectural part of complex. It's also has own occupancy - elevators, bridges with bars and other stuff.

As of City Hall. There are four independent towers with 8 skybridges and with huge skybridge in form of letter M(oscow). The space between towers is free.

Moscow Top 10 Tallest proposed/approved/uc/built
  1. Russia Tower. 600m 118f. approved.
  2. FederationTower C. 448m 130f. u/c.
  3. Mercury City Tower. 380m 70f. u/c.
  4. East FederationTower. 354m 93f u/c.
  5. One City Hall and City Duma. 308m 71f. u/c.
  6. Two City Hall and City Duma. 308m 71f. u/c.
  7. Three City Hall and City Duma. 308m 71f. u/c.
  8. Four City Hall and City Duma. 308m 71f. u/c.
  9. Golden Age. 306m 85f. approved.
  10. 12 IBC. 305m 67f. u/c.
also three 93 storeys proposals with unknown height could be taller of place 10.
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Milan, Italy
Cumulated heights of Top10 buildings: 1 265 m
  1. Torre Varesine 1 : 175 m (u/c)
  2. Regione Lombardia : 160 m (u/c)
  3. Torre Hines 1 : 145 m (u/c)
  4. Torre Varesine 2 : 130 m (u/c)
  5. Pirelli Building : 127 m
  6. Torre Breda : 117 m
  7. Torre Galfa : 109 m
  8. Torre Velasca : 106 m
  9. Ferrovie dello Stato 1 : 98 m
  10. Ferrovie dello Stato 2 : 98 m
Emporis lists are in many case not accurate

Here, for istance, Varesine Tower 1 is given for sure at 175 m (what last news don't give for sure, unfortunately) and in any case it is not u/c 'cause they will start in 2007 the "true" costruction: for now they're just "preparing" the area which was a former rail station demolished in '50... a complicated process of clean up

However the complete list of all proposed/approuved/built top ten towers in Milan should be that

Milan, Italy
1 - Torre "Isozaki", CityLife : 220 m (approuved)

2 - Milanone, Area D3 : 212 m (proposed)

3 - Torre "Hadid", CityLife : 185 m (approuved)

4 - Torre 2, Area D3 : 185 (?) m (proposed)

5 - Torre Varesine 1 : 175 (?) m (approuved)

6 - Torre "Libeskind", Citylife : 170 m (approuved)

7 - Regione Lombardia : 160 m (u/c)

8 - Torre Hines 1 : 145 m (approuved)

9 - Torre Varesine 2 : 130 m (approuved)

10 - Pirelli Building : 127 m (built: 1956)


To add at the list as existing towers (but not skyscrapers) should be:
- Telecom Italia Tower : 180 m
- Rai Television Tower : 145 m

For the future there are many "undefined" projects which can change the top ten; two of them surely are Milan Municipality tower that should have a minimum high of 150 m (they should do an international competition) and Milan Expo 2015 Tower (I think its construction there will be just in the case Milan would host the Expo) just presented in the project for the Expo as the new symbol of the city that should be projected by an international competition: from the renderings it seems to be approximately 600 m (!) high
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[*]One City Hall and City Duma. 308m 71f. u/c.[*]Two City Hall and City Duma. 308m 71f. u/c.[*]Three City Hall and City Duma. 308m 71f. u/c.[*]Four City Hall and City Duma. 308m 71f. u/c.
I find it hilarious that you still claim these are 4 separate buildings.

I've never heard anything so ridiculous in my whole life.
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1. The Pinnacle 176m
2. Arena Square 175m
3. BT Tower 152m
4. Snow Hill 140m
5. Broad Street Tower 133m
6. New Street 1 130m
7. New Street 2 130m
8. Holloway Circus 122m
9. Martineau Galleries 110m
10. Alpha 100m
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I find it hilarious that you still claim these are 4 separate buildings.

I've never heard anything so ridiculous in my whole life.
because those are 4 separate independent towers with free space between them and with six(x4) 2 story bridges and one(x4) 8 story bridge in shape of letter m. call it reversed podium.
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because those are 4 separate independent towers with free space between them and with six(x4) 2 story bridges and one(x4) 8 story bridge in shape of letter m. call it reversed podium.
So if I understand well, the Grande Arche in Paris is actually 2 highrise buildings:

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too much fun.

City Hall is four skyscrapers?

The Shard is 6 then (the six elements interlinked to form the tower) and Broadgate Tower is 8.
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By the way, how do count meters in Russia?

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So if I understand well, the Grande Arche in Paris is actually 2 highrise buildings:

this is one with big holl.

i have to repeat. city hall is 4 independent towers with no common connections. there are four 8 story brigdes at the top (one bridge connecting only two towers). there is a glassy dome, that covering inner yard, between towers at the top. those are only bridges technically. or does we have to count now petronas and federation as one building?
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This kind of argument is precisely why you have no credibility Coth....
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will, the fact that you don't like to lose in quantity doesn't mean that you right just because you are right.

blue on pic 1-1 is empty space. there is no an additional core between towers, but several atriums that does not have any structural value. bridges - as well.
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this is one with big holl.
Well, then the new Moscow City Hall is also just 1 skyscraper with 4 big 'holls'...
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bridges are not continue of structure. or petronas now 1 towers as well?
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bridges are not continue of structure. or petronas now 1 towers as well?
Have you just looked its design Coth ? I'll repost it for you :



Just like with the Grande Arche, the whole structure shares a same roof, but even more than the Grande Arche, the space between the four pillars is protected from the outside by giant glass walls. As such, that space forms actually a giant atrium which isn't in open air as opposed to the "hole" in the Grande Arche.

Now for your comparison with the Petronas towers:
  • Does the Petronas towers share the same roof ? No.
  • Does the Petronas towers are linked by a giant atrium on all their height ? No.
  • Are there any walls between the Petronas towers in general ? No.
  • Are there 32 skybridges on the Petronas ? No, only a single one.

Coth, sincerly, admit it. Moscow's new city Hall is a structure which is a lot closer to the Grande Arche than to the Petronas towers.
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2006, 1:06 PM
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You look at cheap model. Look at sections posted above.
For City Hall
1. No.
2. Yet again - there are no atriums in all height of towers.
3. No.
4. It's not matter.


legend to sections.



there is also picture could have you to understand a structure concept more easly.
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East Tower: core - 11 levels (41,0m) / floorplates - 10 levels (37,2m)
West Tower: core - 62 levels (232,0m) / floorplates - 62 levels (232,0m)

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