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Old Posted Apr 23, 2018, 7:13 PM
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It reminds me of a repurposed factory you would see in a rust belt town. Kind of a strange design for that part of town. I like it, but I think in would fit in better on the East side or warehouse district.

Would most definitely work well in the warehouse district, it's a shame that isn't going where 405 Colorado is planned. Not only would it fit better in relation to it's surroundings, I honestly think the height is more appropriate. Only change would be to have ground level retail/restaraunt/venue space.

Kinda reminds me a little of the renovation that is being completed for the building on the corner of 4th and Lavaca next to Rain. I really like how that one came out.
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I actually really like that this is on N Lamar...I love the simple warehouse design and want to see more of this on Burnet.
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5th & Red River site for sale, offers due May 10th

http://arausa.listinglab.com/5thandRed/index.cfm

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I didn't register for the site -- did it mention Carmelo's and the historic portion of the property?

It wasn't anywhere in the video . . .
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edit: nevermind. seems to be a real (if still in progress) design and preserves the historic structures. see below.

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The street level renderings from Rhode Partners seem to match that rendering. Compare the first rendering Urbannizer posted to the first one below.




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I didn't register for the site -- did it mention Carmelo's and the historic portion of the property?

It wasn't anywhere in the video . . .
I wasted a minute registering for the site, and there were no additional details.

EDIT: Oh, wait. There's a ton of additional info. It just wasn't available until I signed a confidentiality agreement. There's one pdf with 510 pages another with 525.
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Agreed that there seems to be room for Carmelo's in the rendering; just struck me that it would be a pretty big omission for potential buyers to not be presented with the elements of the block that have to stay, come hell or high water. Now that I think of it, there was no mention of CVCs either, and the rendering is pretty clearly built around the one on the northeastern side of the lot.

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Agreed that there seems to be room for Carmelo's in the rendering; just struck me that it would be a pretty big omission for potential buyers to not be presented with the elements of the block that have to stay, come hell or high water. Now that I think of it, there was no mention of CVCs either, and the rendering is pretty clearly built around the one on the northeastern side of the lot.

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In the more than 1,000 pages of info in the sales listing, there are probably two to three hundred pages of zoning minutia that covers everything possible or not possible with the site. There are also many hundreds of pages of nothing but soil and environmental info.
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With Whole Foods 365 going nearby in Saltillo this site just got a whole lot marketable. Now if only we can get TxDOT to reconnect 5th Street when they redo I-35...
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With Whole Foods 365 going nearby in Saltillo this site just got a whole lot marketable. Now if only we can get TxDOT to reconnect 5th Street when they redo I-35...
Re:connection.
Agreed. Was walking past that entire area yesterday and wondering what
would work in terms of E/W connection and access.
If we get "cut and cap" or anything near it.... then that
should be easy.
If not, there will need to be a lot of local pressure applied to
re-connect east and west.
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In the more than 1,000 pages of info in the sales listing, there are probably two to three hundred pages of zoning minutia that covers everything possible or not possible with the site. There are also many hundreds of pages of nothing but soil and environmental info.
Of course. I know they'd disclose everything in the fine print. I get frustrated at stuff like this just like I get frustrated at the housing pics on Zillow -- always with a fish eye lens, always with massive color correction, and always framed so that the drywall rot is just out of the pic.

As I said -- just crankiness.
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5th & Red River site for sale, offers due May 10th

http://arausa.listinglab.com/5thandRed/index.cfm

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I was actually expecting something taller so kinda bummed about the height.
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I was actually expecting something taller so kinda bummed about the height.
That's nothing much more than a place holder for selling the site. The tower takes up the entire portion where there is no CVC. The site has a 25:1 FAR with density bonus. So the new developers could build something much taller.
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How many cranes do y’all expect to see downtown in 2019? I’m thinking 4. Marriot, Sullivan’s, 6th+ Guad, and block 71, any others I’m missing?

I counted 8 yesterday just in the 5-7 st corridor east of I-35. Nutz.
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How many cranes do y’all expect to see downtown in 2019? I’m thinking 4. Marriot, Sullivan’s, 6th+ Guad, and block 71, any others I’m missing?

I counted 8 yesterday just in the 5-7 st corridor east of I-35. Nutz.
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405 Colorado is slated for a 2018 groundbreaking -- I'd think there'd easily be a crane in place by mid 2019.

By the end of the year you could feasibly add a couple on Rainey -- one of the Travis towers and 48 East.

Maybes include block 87 and The Alexan.
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Waterfront apartment tower could rise 45 stories — or more — near downtown on site of

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A Dallas-based developer expects to break ground on a roughly 45-story apartment tower overlooking Lady Bird Lake by early 2019. It’s one of two apartment high-rises Genesis Real Estate Group has proposed for the Villas on Town Lake condo site near the Rainey Street Historic District.

The company submitted a site plan application to the city earlier this month and it expects to break ground on construction in about nine or 10 months.

Genesis Real Estate purchased the Villas, a 58-unit condo project at 80 Red River Street, last June after the majority of condo owners voted to sell the property.

Originally the Austin American-Statesman reported the tower would be roughly 40 stories high. This week though Genesis President Gordon Ip said it will go even higher, at 45 stories or even as many as 50 stories.

Although the footprint of the project is set, the height and design depend on the composition of the skyscraper's penthouses and whether parking is built above or underground.

“We’re still validating our unit mix with the marketplace and trying to see what would work best in the city of Austin,” Ip said. “We want to do something that’s unique but not pioneering. We want to be slightly different and we don’t want be so far out of left field.”

Ip expects it will take the rest of the year to move through site plan reviews with the city because Genesis doesn’t need to request any zoning changes to the Central Business District site.

The company has two concurrent site plan reviews with the city to first demolish the old Villas condos and then to build the two towers. The demolition won’t start until immediately before tower construction early next year.

Genesis won’t build the second apartment tower until it sees how the market responds to the first tower.

“The second tower really has a lot to do with how successful we are with the first,” Ip said. “We’re not rushing to build both at the same time.”
Financing still in the works

Financing on the 2.3-acre project also has not been finalized. Ip said there has been a lot of interest but it likely won’t all come together until various site plans with the city are complete.

The dollar value of the yet-to-be-named project hasn’t been determined yet because Genesis has yet to select a general contractor. The firm will be interviewing prospective general contractors in the next three to four months, he said. The civil engineer involved is West Lake Hills-based Consort Inc.; the structural engineer is Houston-based SCA Consulting Engineers; and the architect is Dallas-based GDA Architects.

The Villas site has entitlements to build 1.5 million square feet of space on roughly 100,000 square feet of land, according to Genesis. However, Ip said both towers combined likely won’t get close to 1.5 million square feet.

The first tower will be about 400,000 to 425,000 square feet, excluding parking. The size and height of the second building will depend on the market.

“It could range from a 30- to 35-story tower or on the hand, or it could be a 50- to 60-story tower. It depends on what is best when we get some [market] validation,” he said, of the second tower.

Both skyscrapers will be built to maximize sweeping views of the Colorado River and Austin skyline, he said.

Eve at 45 stories, the first tower would dwarf other residential high-rises in the rapidly-changing Rainey Street neighborhood – including the 34-story condo project at 70 Rainey and the 33-story condo tower at 48 East Ave.

Yet it would be several stories shy of the other two major skyscrapers duking it out to be the tallest building in Austin — the 56-story Austonian condominium high-rise and The Independent, a 58-story condominium high-rise under construction in the Central Business District.
Sticking with apartments

Unlike the nearby 48 East — which recently switched from an apartment project to condos — Genesis decided to keep its proposal as an apartment project because Ip said there is still a demand for rental housing downtown.

Rental rates haven’t been finalized either, but they won't be ultra high-end, Ip said.

“We’re not needing to be the highest [rent] in the marketplace,” he said. “We’re not trying to build the Ritz-Carlton or the Four Seasons of Austin.”

Yet the rates likely will reflect the desirability of a downtown, waterfront site with access to the hike-and-bike trail and “hotel-like” amenities, he noted.

Ip said the firm was drawn to the site because of its proximity to the river, not because of its proximity to the popular nightlife scene on Rainey Street.

“We’re a site that’s tied to the back-to-nature scene rather than the night vibe,” he said. “We’re not envisioning our project to be a Vegas tower next to the Strip.”

Austin-based Sutton Co. first hatched the idea for the high-rise. Initially it was going to buy the Villas condos from the individual owners in partnership with Koa Partners. But last year Sutton Co. agreed to reassign the contract to Genesis Real Estate, which turned around and purchased the project directly from the individual condo owners and the homeowners association, according to Genesis. Sutton retained some residual financial interest but is no longer substantially involved, Ip said.
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