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the urban politician · #**2321** Posted **Jul 30, 2008, 3:29 AM**

Just from the pics I can see why everybody is disappointed. WTF are they doing?

My only consolation is the fact that this screen blooper is a missed opportunity that can easily be rectified

harryc · #**2322** Posted **Jul 30, 2008, 11:29 AM**

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Originally Posted by pottebaum

Ugh. Jeebus. It looks so incomplete.

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Originally Posted by the urban politician

Just from the pics I can see why everybody is disappointed. WTF are they doing?

My only consolation is the fact that this screen blooper is a missed opportunity that can easily be rectified

July 28

existing screen is behind traffic light on the left edge of the frame.

Alliance · #**2323** Posted **Jul 30, 2008, 1:46 PM**

^^^ NO matter how anyone spins this, that looks blatantly to be scaffolding for the flatscreens and NOT some part of the original building design that was unfortunately covered by the LED display.

Basically, CBS needs to install the other 3 screens as originally planned.

Taft · #**2324** Posted **Jul 30, 2008, 3:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by Alliance

^^^ NO matter how anyone spins this, that looks blatantly to be scaffolding for the flatscreens and NOT some part of the original building design that was unfortunately covered by the LED display.

Basically, CBS needs to install the other 3 screens as originally planned.

Bingo! What a cop-out on what could have at least been an attractive bit of glitz. If you are going to go electronic (aka tacky), at least do it right. This is just half-a**ed.

Taft

i_am_hydrogen · #**2325** Posted **Jul 30, 2008, 3:56 PM**

We should all head down to B37 with picket signs and have us a protest.

honte · #**2326** Posted **Jul 30, 2008, 4:19 PM**

^ If I protest anything, it’s going to be for no more TV screens masquerading as architecture.

spyguy · #**2327** Posted **Jul 30, 2008, 5:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by i_am_hydrogen

We should all head down to B37 with picket signs and have us a protest.

And then CBS can broadcast the protest of the dinky screen on their dinky screen.

cbotnyse · #**2328** Posted **Jul 30, 2008, 5:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by honte

^ If I protest anything, it’s going to be for no more TV screens masquerading as architecture.

are you against a screen of any kind here?

sammyg · #**2329** Posted **Jul 30, 2008, 6:08 PM**

If they don't do anything to cover up the scaffolding, I'm pretty sure that the location next to City Hall and Daley Plaza will draw the attention of the Planning Department, etc. Something has to go up alongside, and if it doesn't, this is da Mayor's pet project, he won't like the incomplete look.

honte · #**2330** Posted **Jul 30, 2008, 6:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by cbotnyse

are you against a screen of any kind here?

100% against. I was up in City Hall last week looking at it over Daley Plaza, and its impact is even worse than I was expecting.

However, I agree that the current screen looks far worse than the one shown in the renders, mostly because it isn't complementary in form to the architecture.

intrepidDesign · #**2331** Posted **Jul 30, 2008, 6:19 PM**

maybe the other screens havent been installed yet (wishful thinking)

simcityaustin · #**2332** Posted **Jul 30, 2008, 6:32 PM**

Let them know what you think...

http://cbs2chicago.com/contact

cbotnyse · #**2333** Posted **Jul 30, 2008, 6:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by honte

100% against. I was up in City Hall last week looking at it over Daley Plaza, and its impact is even worse than I was expecting.

However, I agree that the current screen looks far worse than the one shown in the renders, mostly because it isn't complementary in form to the architecture.

I'll have to disagree with you about the screen, but in its current form, its another missed opportunity.

I think outdoor LCD screens add life and character to the area, if done right.

Do you like the ABC screen? what is it you have against them exactly?

Alliance · #**2334** Posted **Jul 30, 2008, 7:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by honte

^ If I protest anything, it’s going to be for no more TV screens masquerading as architecture.

Well, its not liek teh LED ribbon at ABC that everyone apparently thinks is cutting edge urban art. I don't think its architecture. Its no more part of the building than the awkward scaffolding behind it. The point is it should interact well with the building, and not take away from the architecture (which I agree with Kamin that it does.)

Abner · #**2335** Posted **Jul 30, 2008, 7:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by honte

100% against. I was up in City Hall last week looking at it over Daley Plaza, and its impact is even worse than I was expecting.

I agree. I think the problem is that there's no possibility of the screen ever having company in that area. A street full of screens and bright lights isn't my cup of tea, but some people like it and it can work fine. But a street full of stately older architecture with one blaring screen is just heinous and intrusive. Since it would basically be architecturally criminal to stick video screens anywhere else facing Daley Plaza, I think none ever should have gone up. It would even be better just to have it facing Washington. (It would have been even better to have the studio facing Randolph where blaring lights would be welcome. Oh well.)

honte · #**2336** Posted **Jul 30, 2008, 9:49 PM**

^ Yep, that's a point I've argued before, but generally people don't seem to agree with me. I wonder what future generations will think, once the screen isn't much of a novelty any longer?

I think they only work in collections. I could see them working in Chinatown, on Randolph Street, River North, etc. The presence on State doesn't bother me as much due to the fact that the State / Lake building was a theatre and the Chicago Theatre is there, but I think it's quite a stretch to call that thing urban art.

wrab · #**2337** Posted **Jul 30, 2008, 10:47 PM**

Daley is a public plaza that sees a lot of different uses, among them rallys & protests; in that context, I think of a big screen as appropriate, like the jumbotron at a sports venue - a way of codifying & understanding the action around you. I can also imagine people gathering there to follow big news items, like they once did at Times Square. But the prospect of blatant commercial broadcasting is disturbing, I agree. It would cheapen what is otherwise a fantastic public space.

Taft · #**2338** Posted **Jul 31, 2008, 1:35 AM**

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Originally Posted by wrabbit

It would is cheapening what is otherwise a fantastic public space.

There. Fixed that for you.

snark...snark...

It is too dinky and oddly placed to be truly glitzy or inspiring. It looks like a misplaced window into a room you really don't want to be in. It is just insufficient.

Taft

[edited for redundancy]

the urban politician · #**2339** Posted **Jul 31, 2008, 1:39 AM**

You anti-screen guys should listen to yourselves. You sound like you're about 85 years old

Taft · #**2340** Posted **Jul 31, 2008, 1:53 AM**

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Originally Posted by honte

The presence on State doesn't bother me as much due to the fact that the State / Lake building was a theatre and the Chicago Theatre is there, but I think it's quite a stretch to call that thing urban art.

I agree with you that clusters of electric signage are just about the only time such a thing works. I also agree with everyone who thinks that the screen is just misplaced: a corporate beacon in an otherwise artistic public square is just bad planning. Especially given the other, more commercial streets the development borders.

(Not that I expect ABC to do anything like this...but...)

I wonder though, if this thing could be salvaged. Let's say the screen looked much closer to the original screen. Same dimensions, etc. Extremely high quality screens. Then, ABC gives time to local video artists to display public art. Were it well executed, I think such a concept could really work. Not my first choice, but acceptable.

Let's just hope this isn't a harbinger of the quality and finish of the rest of the building...

Taft