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I don't think it travelled through the bridge - the highways ministry website says it was moored downstream of the bridge.

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Ferry finally sails after onboard cube-van fire
Passenger on vehicle deck says crew kept their cool

Christina Montgomery, with files from staff reporters, The Province
Published: Friday, August 15, 2008

UPDATE (8:49 p.m.): Hundreds of stranded ferry travellers finally headed to Vancouver Island about 6 p.m. after Transport Canada gave the all-clear late Friday afternoon for the Coastal Inspiration to set sail.

The scheduled 12:45 p.m. ferry to Duke Point was turned back to Tsawwassen after fire broke out inside a moving van onboard.

The fire in a cube truck on the main car deck put a serious glitch in travel plans for those on board one of B.C.'s new ferries, the Coastal Inspiration, which returned to dock and was out of commission while fire and ferry crews cleaned up from the fire.

Michelle Thoreson from Seattle was with family and friends heading to Vancouver Island to do a week of kayaking and was sleeping in her car when the fire broke out nearby.

She said she awoke with the noise and the sprinklers went on right away.

"There was a lot of smoke," she said.

But she said crew and passengers kept their cool as the fire forced them to flee the area.

"People were very calm and very friendly," she said. She said the worst part was the long wait to finally get back on the ferry to drive their car off.

"We had to wait a long time," she said.

By 8 p.m., B.C. Ferries said the ferry was unloaded and it had caused about a one-sailing wait in the system.

There were no reported injuries and all pets on the vehicle deck were brought out safely.

The ferry was about 10 minutes into its 12:45 p.m. sailing to Duke Point on one of the summer's busiest weekends when the fire broke out and the vessel turned around.

By mid-afternoon, Delta firefighters had fully contained the blaze. Passengers spent the afternoon waiting in Tsawwassen to reboard.

It was unclear how the fire started aboard the packed ferry, which holds up to 370 cars and 1,650 passengers.

Deborah Marshall, spokeswoman for B.C. Ferries, said a heavy surge of passengers had been expected Friday night and Sunday night. The weekend's traffic would likely be as much as 10-per-cent higher than on other summer weekends, Marshall said.

The fire came at the end of a bad week for the first of the company's new German-built ferries, coming into service this year on the company's main routes.

The Coastal Renaissance, launched in April on the Horseshoe Bay-Nanaimo run, was pulled from service Wednesday to have a propeller seal fixed. It was drydocked days earlier for repair of a propeller seal that was leaking oil into the water. All repairs are covered by a two-year warranty and will be paid for by the Flensburger yard in Germany.

The Coastal Inspiration was launched on the Tsawwassen-Nanaimo route in June.

A third ferry, the Coastal Celebration, is due into service this fall between Swartz Bay and Tsawwassen. The new vessels cost a total of $542 million.
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BC Ferries reports falling income

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Published: Thursday, August 28, 2008

BC Ferries has reported net earnings of $8.4 million for the three months ended June 30, 2008 - a $6-million decline from the $14.4 million earned during the same period last year.


The ferry operator has forecast 2008-2009 net earnings will drop from $37.1 million a year ago to $10 million, due mainly to increased interest and amortization costs associated with capital spending.

The company said first-quarter expenses rose 12.4 per cent this year to $163.5 million, including a $10.4-million increase in fuel expenses and a $7.9-million hike in interest and amortization expenses reflecting its significant investments in fleet and infrastructre. Revenues rose by 7.6 per cent during the quarter to $171.9 million.

BC Ferries spent $190 million on capital assets during the quarter - including $171.8 million in new vessels and upgrades, $8.3 million in marine structures, $7.5 million in building upgrades and equipment and $2.4 million in computer hardware and software development.

The company said it continues to be concerned that high fuel prices and recent fuel surcharges could cause a decline in future travel. It said it will implement "various measures" to cut its costs over the rest of the fiscal year.

Effective Aug. 1, BC Ferries applied a 10.3-per-cent fuel surcharge for major routes connecting Vancouver Island to the Lower Mainland, 17.6 per cent on routes servicing the southern and northern Gulf Islands and 9.2 per cent on the Horseshoe Bay-Langdale route.
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'First-class' sales centre aims to lure Olympic tourists to BC Ferries

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Published: Friday, August 29, 2008

BC Ferries will aggressively push its products to visitors in a new Vancouver sales centre to open in the heart of the downtown tourist district before the 2010 Olympics.

BC Ferries president David Hahn said Thursday the new facility - a first for the ferry operator - will operate in the Fairmont Pacific Rim Hotel project, scheduled to open next year near the Vancouver Convention & Exhibition Centre.

"We will be doing a first-class, concierge-type travel centre that will make riding on a ferry much easier," he said in an interview. "It will be very, very supportive of all the other efforts already underway in Vancouver."

Hahn said the facility's primary mission is to stimulate ferry travel throughout coastal communities by attracting more visitors on city tours or those attending conventions.


"The longer-term goal is to do whatever we can to support travel and tourism in British Columbia," he said.

The new marketing initiative comes as BC Ferries reported net earnings of $8.4 million for the three months ending June 30 - a $6-million decline from the $14.4 million earned during the same period last year.

The company has forecast 2008-2009 net earnings will drop from $37.1 million a year ago to $10 million, due mainly to increased interest and amortization costs associated with capital spending.


Hahn expects higher fuel costs will force a slight drop on the number of BC Ferries passengers this year so the company will do whatever it can to cut costs for the rest of the fiscal year.

"If somebody resigns or retires, we won't necessarily fill the position unless it's a mission-critical or safety-critical position," he said.

Hahn said BC Ferries might also respond to declining traffic by cutting back on non-advertised, discretionary sailings that are sometimes added to move traffic on special occasions.

It might also use smaller vessels on certain routes if they are sufficient to meet demand. Hahn said an example would be using the Queen of New Westminster on a route instead of a Spirit-class vessel.


He said the company is considering adding new routes and services to its offerings to take advantage of its expertise in certain areas.

"We might get into the overnight freight business, which would be a logical product extension for BC Ferries," Hahn said. "There are a lot of opportunities out there now because there's a real recognition of just how good we are at what we do."

The company said first-quarter expenses rose 12.4 per cent this year to $163.5 million, including a $10.4-million increase in fuel expenses and a $7.9-million hike in interest and amortization expenses reflecting its significant investments in fleet and infrastructre. Revenues rose by 7.6 per cent during the quarter to $171.9 million.

BC Ferries spent $190 million on capital assets during the quarter - including $171.8 million in new vessels and upgrades, $8.3 million in marine structures, $7.5 million in building upgrades and equipment and $2.4 million in computer hardware and software development.

BC Ferries said its fuel costs soared to $86.8 million in 2007-2008 - from $45.9 million in 2003 - and could reach $140 million in 2008-2009 if record high fuel prices continue.

Effective Aug. 1, BC Ferries applied a 10.3-per-cent fuel surcharge for major routes connecting Vancouver Island to the Lower Mainland, 17.6 per cent on routes servicing the southern and northern Gulf Islands and 9.2 per cent on the Horseshoe Bay - Langdale route.

For a trip from Tsawwassen to Swartz Bay, the surcharge adds $1.25 for each passenger, $4.15 for each passenger vehicle and $10.40 for each overheight vehicle.
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I appreciate your attention to BC ferries, Mr. X

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BC's German Ferries May Be Lemons

BC's German Ferries May Be Lemons

Heavy fuel use, noise, vibration and air-sucking propellers said to be problems.

By Andrew MacLeod
Published: November 18, 2008
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On Dec. 13, 2007, the first of three Super C-class vessels built for $542 million in Germany arrived in B.C. to much fanfare. Less than 10 months later, B.C. Ferries announced the Coastal Renaissance would be spending more days tied up at the terminal than it would carrying passengers. The publicly owned company that runs the ferries has yet to fully explain why.

Back when the Coastal Renaissance arrived, B.C. Ferries' chief operating officer Mike Corrigan said the ship's diesel-electric propulsion system was 30 per cent more efficient than the engines on older ferries. Once all three of the new vessels were operating, he said, the ferry company would save about $5 million worth of fuel each year.

But in early October, B.C. Ferries' cost savings measures included replacing the Coastal Renaissance four days a week with the 32-year-old Queen of Cowichan. The two vessels carry about the same loads, but according to the watchdog citizens' group Save Our Ferries, the Super C-class vessel requires almost 20 percent more fuel to cross the Strait of Georgia.

A problem called cavitation

The new vessels' high fuel consumption may be related to larger problems that the ferry company has yet to disclose to the ferry-riding and taxpaying public.

"It's my understanding that there are some design flaws with the new ships," said Nelle Maxey, an organizer of Save Our Ferries. She has heard the new vessels are not as efficient as the old ones, she said, and that it has something to do with the propellers sitting too high in the water.

As NDP ferry critic Gary Coons explained it, the propellers churn the surface more than they should. The problem can lead to noise, vibrations and poor fuel efficiency, he said.

Company representatives have not spoken much publicly about this problem, though it was raised in a Jan. 8, 2008, Nanaimo Daily News article that quoted a local resident complaining about the noise and vibrations coming from the Coastal Renaissance when it was docked. The article said a B.C. Ferries official explained to the resident that the problems were caused by cavitation, a condition where there are pressure differences across parts of propeller blades. It's made worse by the fact the vessel was sitting high in the water, it said, and the "propellers are sucking air from the surface."

The Nanaimo article also quoted B.C. Ferries' spokesperson Deborah Marshall saying the problem, caused by "propeller vibration," would go away once the ship was fully loaded with vehicles and passengers. The added weight would push the propellers deeper, the article said, so that they would suck less air.

Mysterious gravel trucks experiment

One day last week, 18 fully loaded gravel trucks rolled onto the vehicle deck of B.C.'s newest ferry, the last of the Super C-class vessels to arrive, the Coastal Celebration. In an unusual test, engineers were filling the ship to its maximum to see if they could sink it far enough to get the propellers deep enough into the water to reduce the noise and vibration it makes when it's running.

Asked about the gravel trucks, Marshall wrote, "They wanted to simulate normal operating conditions." She did not respond to further questions about whether or not the full load helped.

Cavitation can cause a number of problems. According to three naval architects and marine engineers interviewed for background, cavitation can cause vibrations, noise and a loss of thrust. That loss of thrust can lead to higher fuel consumption, as appears to be happening with the Coastal Renaissance. It can also do long-term damage to a ship, leading to a pitting or erosion of the propeller, further reducing efficiency.

Without looking at the specifics of the case, one of the naval architects said it is sometimes possible to fix cavitation problems, and with any new ship there will be "teething problems." This is especially true when the ship is one of a kind or the first in a series, such as the Coastal Renaissance.

The problems are worse when the ships are docked, said one source. The engines have to go at their full speed and the propellers turn even when the ship is stopped, which causes heavy fuel use. It also relates to the cavitation problem because when the ships are tied up, there are fewer options for changing the angle of the propeller or heavily loading one end of the ship than when they are underway.

NDP ferries critic Coons said making the vessels heavier may or may not solve the noise and vibration problems, but it will add to fuel inefficiency. "More weight means more fuel usage." The engines may be efficient, he said, but they are being used on heavier boats and therefore require more fuel.

"I think there's major concerns about those vessels," said Coons. "Obviously there are some major design flaws. I hope these are warranty issues. We wouldn't want this to turn into a foreign ferry fiasco."

'Performing extremely well': BC Ferries

Ferries president and CEO David Hahn acknowledged in an October Vancouver Sun article that fuel consumption is a problem with the new ferries, but was quoted saying the vessels will be more efficient once B.C. Ferries' captains and crews get better at driving them. "Hahn said it takes some time to learn how to operate the vessels properly, just as it does to learn how everything in a home works after a major renovation," the article said.

Hahn's explanation offended at least some of the people who drive the ships, according to sources. And it is unlikely the full story. While improved handling will reduce the fuel used during landings, it does nothing to cut the amount burned while underway and while sitting at the terminal.

B.C. Ferries spokesperson Marshall requested questions be sent by e-mail before she would arrange an interview with a company official who knows about the ships. Instead of arranging an interview, however, she wrote back herself: "The Super C-class or Coastal Class vessels are performing extremely well and B.C. Ferries is very pleased with their performance."

There have been a few issues, she allowed, but the ships have a two-year warranty and they have been fixed by FSG. She repeated Hahn's position that fuel consumption will lessen as captains and crews get better at driving the ships. "Crews are still conducting training in docking the ship and are utilizing more power to do so," she wrote. "As the captains and crew continue to learn to manoeuvre the vessel with less power, B.C. Ferries will optimize fuel consumption."

Ships met specifications: FSG

Broder Hinrichsen, the head of design for Flensburger Schiffbau Geselschafft, the shipyard that built the three new ferries, said he had not heard that Coastal Renaissance had been partially pulled from service. It surprised him that fuel consumption would be the reason given, he said. "I can assure you it's not a problem."

The vessel was fully tested before it left Germany and it met the specifications B.C. Ferries had set in its contract with FSG, he said, including for fuel consumption. "The three vessels are absolutely to the specifications."

He said he has heard there were some complaints from people living near the harbour, but he believes the propellers are not the problem. "The propeller worked pretty well. Otherwise you wouldn't have achieved the design speed and so on."

He could not say more without breaking client confidentiality, he said, so further questions should be directed to B.C. Ferries. FSG is also building a ferry to replace the Queen of the North.

While B.C. Ferries officials did not take the opportunity to talk frankly about the problems with the ships, stories are emerging from people inside and outside the company.

The latest, confirmed by more than one source, is that there is a problem with the alternators FSG used. Diesel-electric engines lose power when their alternators stop working. There is a bar in each alternator the length and shape of a bent arm. The bars FSG used have too small a radius and need to be replaced with slightly larger ones. It's an easy repair, but requires moving each 40,000-pound alternator just to reach it.

Each of the three ships has four engines, so altogether there are 12 alternators to fix. The repairs are covered under FSG's warranty, a source said, but will be expensive for the German company. Coastal Renaissance is being done now, to be followed by Coastal Inspiration next, and lastly Coastal Celebration.

Information shielded

There is also a story about how the power of the ships is pulling silt out from under the docks at the terminals they use. The company, according to documents filed with SEDAR, spent at least $11 million last year getting terminals ready for the new ships, and they may soon have to spend more on repairs.

Coastal Renaissance started out with propellers made in France, but reportedly had hubs on them replaced with ones made in Russia before the ship even made it out of Europe. Now new propeller parts are on order from Russia, but it will take at least 16 months before they arrive and are ready to go.

There have been problems with their electrical and sewage systems as well, though sources say those bugs have generally been worked out.

B.C. Ferries needs to be more forthcoming with information, said the NDP's Coons. When the B.C. Liberals restructured the ferry company in 2003, they made it exempt from the province's freedom of information laws. "B.C. Ferries puts out only the information it wants to put out," Coons said. "I'm not pleased at all with the amount of information we're getting."

The Coastal Ferry Act needs to be amended to include provisions for public oversight, he said.

So far, the company and the government have not fully explained exactly what's wrong with the new vessels, how serious the problems are and whether they can be fixed.
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Hahahaha the NDP criticizing ferries.... that's rich!

What a joke.
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Hahahaha the NDP criticizing ferries.... that's rich!

What a joke.
lol.....agreed.
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I don't see that there's much of an issue if its under the 2 year warranty. There's the time taken out from service and possibly added costs of using an alternate ferry - the contractual terms would determine whether those costs and expenses could be claimed as damages by BC Ferries against FSG (the amount would likely be capped as no companies ever agree to unlimited liability).
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BC Ferries' fuel records show how much new vessels guzzle
By Andrew MacLeod November 25, 2008 11:10 am

The new Super C-class vessels were supposed to save B.C. Ferries fuel, but internal company documents show they burn much more of the expensive stuff than do older vessels of a similar size.

To make proper comparisons between vessels, recent media reports quoted president and CEO David Hahn saying, one would have to look at a ship's performance over a full day of service. The Tyee requested that information from a company spokesperson, but got no response.

We did, however, get an internal B.C. Ferries fuel consumption chart through a different source. It shows why the new German-built vessels will be strategically kept at the dock if the company is serious about saving fuel.

The chart for June 2008 shows the Coastal Renaissance was used on the route between Horseshoe Bay and Departure Bay. To make the round trip, which it did 94 times, on average it used 8,416 litres of fuel.

The other ships used on that route each used significantly less fuel: Queen of Coquitlam (6,891 litres), the Queen of Cowichan (7,050 litres) and the Queen of Oak Bay (6,491 litres).

While the Coastal Renaissance carries 370 vehicles and 1,600 people, each of the Queens carries 362 vehicles and 1,500 people.


The Coastal Inpiration, with the same capacity as the Renaissance, made 60 round trips between Tsawwassen and Swartz Bay. On average it burned 9,719 litres of fuel.

Used on the same route, the Queen of Cowichan (362 vehicles, 1,500 passengers) burned 6,378 litres of fuel per round trip. The smaller Queen of Alberni (295 vehicles, 1,200 passengers) used 7,153 litres of fuel.

The third Super C-class vessel, the Coastal Celebration, was put into service November 21 for a few runs between Swartz Bay and Tsawwassen. It has since been out of service.

B.C. Ferries spent $542 million to buy the three Super C-class ships from the German shipyard Flensburger Schiffbau Gesellschaft. The Tyee reported a week ago the ships have major problems including high fuel consumption, noise and vibrations that have kept the ferry company from putting them into full service.

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Comparing Supers to Spirits 'smoke and mirrors': Ferry critic
By Andrew MacLeod November 24, 2008 05:19 pm 14 comments

B.C. Ferries president and CEO David Hahn defended the high fuel consumption of the new German-built Super C-class vessels by comparing them to the Sprit-class ships, but those ships are much larger.

"A classic example would be [Coastal Celebration] versus a Spirit-class ship,” Hahn said, according to a Times-Colonist article about the newest vessel going into service. “A Spirit takes seven or eight minutes to turn around on each side, this ship doesn't have to do it [because it can load on both ends]. There's very substantial fuel savings there."

But that's comparing apples to watermelons. The Spirit vessels, however, carry 470 vehicles plus 2,100 people. The new German vessels, on the other hand, carry 370 vehicles and 1,600 people.

David Hahn is trying to put up smoke and mirrors about the new vessels,” said NDP ferry critic Gary Coons. “Comparing new vessels to Sprit-class vessels is just a sign he's reaching for excuses for the vessels . . . There's no comparison in design, size and maneuverability.”

Fuel consumption is a big issue for the ferry company. On Friday the ferry commissioner, Martin Crilly, approved the removal of fuel surcharges and released a chart tracking the rise in fares.

Fares on all routes will drop to below 2003 rates for two months thanks to a $20 million cheque from the provincial government, then return to near their current levels before continuing to climb, the chart said.

Last week The Tyee reported the new ferries have had problems with high fuel consumption, noise and vibrations that may be related to serious design flaws.

Coastal Celebration has not been used since it was put into service on November 21. The Coastal Renaissance was taken out of service four days a week in October, and is expected to be off completely until December 6.
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Hahahaha the NDP criticizing ferries.... that's rich!

What a joke.
Could say the same about the Liberals spending a ton of money on them ...
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The Super-C class teething problems are somewhat akin to the same teething problems incurred by the Spirit Class vessels in the early 1990's:

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...concerns the B.C. Ferry and Marine Workers Union raised over the first of two large Spirit Class ferries. Introduced in 1993, the Spirit of B.C. was removed from service after an initial six-month run.

Rumours circulated that the B.C.-built ship was a flop. A lemon, if you will.

Two months later, her issues resolved, the Spirit of B.C. was back plying her route.
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/b...20/209184.aspx

As for the the warranties/guarantees of the shipyard, FSG, the BC Ferries press release of September 17, 2004 perhaps provides some insight in that regard:


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• Vessel performance guarantees related to speed, carrying capacity, maneuverability and fuel consumption;

• Warranties above industry standard;
https://www.bcferries.com/news_archi..._c_vessels.pdf
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yeah the time will tell... i bet you the govt is probably doing everything it can to ensure that it is running again.... the threat of an election can do wonders in BC...
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Well of course the government is doing everything it can to ensure our brand new ferry is up and running again... Why in the world wouldn't it be?
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Hahahaha the NDP criticizing ferries.... that's rich!

What a joke.
Makes sense to me. NDP were lambasted for their ferry issues. It's not surprising they would attempt to share the blame for ferry bad decisions.
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^what bad decisions from the current gov't?
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^^ Like selling brand new ferries with a few teething problems for the value of scrap metal to prove a political point?
Guess what, it appears the "new new" ferries have the same issues too...
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^^ Like selling brand new ferries with a few teething problems for the value of scrap metal
You fail to mention that even before the "third" FastCat was completed for BC Ferries, the NDP government decided to remove all of the FastCats from service and put up all three for sale.

That's just unheard of in BC Ferries history.

The NDP even hired PriceWaterhouseCoopers to sell them. They had no firm bites. So what's next in that selling scenario?

Just auction them off to the highest bidder.

Sad era in BC Ferries history... really.
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well this was due to the pressure that was put on by the Liberals and Canwest Global led by Mr Kieth....

the fact of the matter was that the LIBERALS did get a bid YET they auctioned it for LESS... IT WAS THIS GOVERNMENT WHO DID NOT PREVIOUS.....

They were sold for 19.4 million WHEN GORDO AND COMPANY HAD AN OFFER FOR $ 60 MILLION FROM THE SAME BUYER!


secondly, any sense in GORDO could have modified them ( say with a small engine or something) and they could have been sailing again
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I also believe that the entire fast cat situation by the end was the fault of both parties. It was a good idea to attempt to revitalize an industry in BC, and i wish the current liberal government didn't build our new new ferries over seas.
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