How much foreigners in the cities ?

[Grumpy]

How much live actually in European cities, I don't have a clue.
Any stats available from where they all come from ??

[Swede]

Stockholm (and Sweden) have excelent stats about that. Some figures from a quick look at the City's website...

(year 2005)
First generation immigrants: 153 857
Second generation: 117 661
both parents from same country: 35 690
parents from different countries: 12 834
one parent from Sweden: 69 137 (aparently from now on, those aren't considerd 2nd generation immigrants)
total (using old def.): 271 518 = 35.2% of total pop i the City.

Born in the City: 317 412
Born in the County, except the City: 94 542
Born in other countries: 153 857
/rest are from other counties, so it's more common for a Stockholmer to have been born in another country than any single county in Sweden (or even the top 4 combined)

What countries are people from? full list here, top ten:
Finland: 19 580
Irak: 12 290
Iran: 9 067
Poland: 6 907
Turkey: 6 368
Chile: 5 049
Somalia: 4 916
Serbia-Montenegro: 4 279 (two countries now, old stats)
Germany: 4 116
Ethiopia: 3 746

[FREKI]

Copenhagen has ~12% foreign nationals.... and around 20% 1st or 2nd gen Danes

I'm at work now, so I don't have time for browsing numerous sites, but if I can find the time tomorrow I'll see it I can find the precise numbers.... ( the CPH Municipal site only lists foreign nationals )

http://www.sk.kk.dk/tal_fakta/befolkning1d.html

[SHiRO]

Both Amsterdam and Rotterdam are around 50% 1st and 2nd generation immigrants. The Hague is at 43% I believe.
Don't have much time now but I'lll dig up the exact numbers and breakdown...

[one very bored guy]

An interesting figure is that there are about 150,000 Americans living in the metropolitan area around Frankfurt. This figure doesn't include the military at the bases or embassy staff. That is quite a high number. You don't see many living in the city of Frankfurt much, so it won't appear on the official city figures as a big percentage, but that is because most Americans like suburban living and move into the metroarea.

I believe this makes them one of the largest ethnic groups in Frankfurt Rhein Main. I don't know what the Turkish population in the Rhein Main is.

Just an interesting point that sometimes looking at metro statistics can be important.

[Tony]

Originally Posted by one very bored guy

An interesting figure is that there are about 150,000 Americans living in the metropolitan area around Frankfurt. This figure doesn't include the military at the bases or embassy staff. That is quite a high number. You don't see many living in the city of Frankfurt much, so it won't appear on the official city figures as a big percentage, but that is because most Americans like suburban living and move into the metroarea.

Perhaps the number is high because of military personnel have family living in Frankfurt? I suppose there is also the possibility that some are civilian contractors of some sort too.

[FREKI]

Isn't Frankfurt home to quite a few major US firms?

[brisavoine]

In each country there exist statistics about foreigners of course. Note that a foreigner is not the same thing as an immigrant. An immigrant is someone that was born abroad, but that immigrant may have been naturalized and no longer a foreigner. On the other hand, there are people who are born of immigrants in the European country where they live now, but who are foreigners because national laws restrict the acquisition of citizenship. Such people would be foreigners but not immigrants (e.g. many 2nd or 3rd generation Turks in Germany). So be very careful when you give statistics. You need to specify what you're talking about exactly.

Here I have statistics for Greater Paris from the 1999 census. The statistics I have are for people born outside of metropolitan France (the part of France located in Europe).

In 1999 there were 2,159,079 people in Greater Paris who were born outside of metropolitan France, out of a total of 10,951,136 inhabitants for Greater Paris. So that's 19.7% of the population of Greater Paris.

The top 10 countries/overseas departments of birth were:
1- Algeria: 340,273 (215,552 are Arabs and Berbers; 124,721 are European and Jewish people who fled Algeria after 1962)
2- Portugal: 255,798
3- Morocco: 205,135 (165,957 are Arabs and Berbers; 39,178 are European and Jewish people who fled Morocco after 1956)
4- Tunisia: 120,302 (86,557 are Arabs; 33,745 are European and Jewish people who fled Tunisia after 1956, such as the mayor of Paris for instance)
5- Guadeloupe: 76,440
6- Martinique: 71,049
7- Italy: 66,444
8- Spain: 64,436
9- Vietnam: 52,677 (many are actually ethnic Chinese)
10- Turkey: 51,828 (many are actually Kurds)

[brisavoine]

Originally Posted by one very bored guy

An interesting figure is that there are about 150,000 Americans living in the metropolitan area around Frankfurt.

That figure is totally impossible. That would be more Americans than in the metro areas of London or Paris which are much more populated than Frankfurt. Probably you added an extra zero.

[one very bored guy]

Originally Posted by brisavoine

That figure is totally impossible. That would be more Americans than in the metro areas of London or Paris which are much more populated than Frankfurt. Probably you added an extra zero.

I don't know how accurate it is. I have just seen the figure several times on various websites and discussed once on a TV documentary. If it is wrong, then there are a lot of sources that have got it wrong.

Here is one such list I quickly found. You can do a search as well, and others are bound to crop up: http://overseasdigest.com/amcit_nu2.htm

But it could be true. The Rhein Main has a lot of American military personal, and although the figure doesn't include them or their families, many had married, left the army and stayed locally. Also, there are large international firms in the metropolitan area that attract Americans to live here.

As I said, you don't find that many in the city of Frankfurt itself, most tend to live in the surrounding metropolitan area of the Rhein Main. Americans love their suburbia.

[Mercutio]

2.3 million foreign born in London (31.1%) according to the UK's National Statistics Office. The GLA puts the figure higher at 40%. An article on the NSO figures:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...%27/article.do

[DiggerD21]

You can easily find numbers for the three german city-states at the federal statistics bureau.

Percentage of foreign nationals (people who don't hold german citizenship) in:

Berlin 13,7%
Bremen 12,7%
Hamburg 14,2%

Somewhere in the web you can find a comprehensive study which compares all major german cities in various aspects, among them the composition of the inhabitants. By this study Frankfurt had around 20% foreign nationals and Munich around 16% if I remember correctly.

[brisavoine]

In Greater Paris, the number of immigrants has greatly increased since the 1999 census. According to the French statistical office INSEE, between March 1999 and July 2004 the number of immigrants in Greater Paris increased by 293,000, which means that the foreign & overseas-born population as of mid-2004 was approx. 2.45 million.

As of mid-2004, 30% of the immigrants living in Greater Paris are from North Africa, 23% are from the EU-15 (EU before the eastern enlargement), 18% are from Asia, 18% from Subsaharan Africa (Black Africa), 7% from Eastern Europe, and 4% from the Americas. Note that these percentages are for "immigrants", therefore not counting the Black Carribeans living in Greater Paris who are French citizens and therefore not counted as immigrants.

If we count the Black Caribbeans as immigrants, then we get 28% from North Africa, 21% from the EU-15, 17% from Asia, 17% from Subsaharan Africa, 11% from the Americas (incl. the Caribbean), and 6% from Eastern Europe.

We'll have more detailled results in the end of 2008 when the census results are published.

[DiggerD21]

With the black caribbeans do you mean those living in the french overseas departements/territories? And with immigrants you mean those not holding a french passport?

[brisavoine]

Immigrants are people born in a foreign country without French citizenship at birth. The Black Caribbeans I talked about were born in Guadeloupe and Martinique, so on French soil, that's why they are not counted as immigrants by official statistics.

[staff]

Malmö is around 50% 1st and 2nd generation immigrants, I'd say.

[downtown_meltdown]

According to various statistics, Warsaw is home to 30 thousand Vietnamese immigrants. I have no data about other nationalities. Judging by the people you meet on the streets, Ukrainians, Lithuanians, Turks, are among the most numerous immigrants. Personally, I know a Belorussian, a Ukrainian, two Iranian guys, few Brits, and a lot of Poles

[GENIUS LOCI]

Milan got about 15% foreign nationals

No clue about 1st and 2nd generation immigrants (I think there are relatively few 2nd generation immigrants, for now... maybe many of them from Chinese community, one of the oldest in Milan)

[South]

In 2006, London's (city-proper) foreign born population was 2,288,000 of 7,517,000... which is 31% of London's total population.


Country of Birth (2001 Census) - London city proper (http://www.london.gov.uk/gla/publica...te-2006-09.pdf)

• United Kingdom - 5,230,155
• India - 172,162
• Republic of Ireland - 157,285
• Bangladesh - 84,565
• Jamaica - 80,319
• Nigeria - 68,907
• Pakistan - 66,658
• Kenya - 66,311
• Sri Lanka - 49,932
• Ghana - 46,513
• Cyprus - 45,888
• South Africa - 45,506
• United States - 44,622
• Australia - 41,488
• Germany - 39,818
• Turkey - 39,128
• Italy - 38,694
• France - 38,130
• Somalia - 33,831
• Uganda - 32,082
• New Zealand - 27,494

[Josh]

Brussels is at about 56% immigrants but many of them are now Belgians.