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Old Posted Sep 23, 2018, 7:08 PM
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I love its massiveness. I favor these types over skinny residential supertalls. NYC needs to continuously build and build big.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 23, 2018, 9:05 PM
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I love its massiveness. I favor these types over skinny residential supertalls. NYC needs to continuously build and build big.
I think diversity is actually the ideal, and not letting one format dominate is something that new york does really well and should continue to promote in its policies and developments.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 23, 2018, 9:52 PM
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Love this tower. The way it is designed, it almost looks like an evil corporation.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 24, 2018, 2:11 AM
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I think diversity is actually the ideal, and not letting one format dominate is something that new york does really well and should continue to promote in its policies and developments.
True, the skyline is massive enough, and can support all types. The number of massive towers works in the Hudson Yards because there's barely any towers over there. But it would be a bit much for midtown proper, where there is hardly any space between skyscrapers. The skyline needs more height. Some of the supertalls on the skyline are nothing more than filler, because of proximity and number, and it's only going to become more so.



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Old Posted Sep 25, 2018, 5:16 PM
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/breatht...ess-1537873201

Breathtaking Views Atop Manhattan Skyscrapers Are Big Business
Two developers are preparing to offer their own vistas—in Hudson Yards and next to Grand Central Terminal



















By Peter Grant
Sept. 25, 2018


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The stakes have never been higher in the competition for the best skyscraper view of New York City.

Observation decks atop Manhattan’s World Trade Center, Rockefeller Center and the Empire State Building offer sweeping panoramas that stretch for miles. The three viewing platforms, which stand at 850 feet or higher, attract more than 9 million visitors combined each year. At around $30 a head, that comes to about $270 million in annual revenue before adding money made from food, beverage and souvenirs.

Now, two more developers are preparing to offer their own vistas. Related Cos. plans to open an observation deck in 2020 atop a 1,296-foot tower in its sprawling Hudson Yards development. The following year, SL Green Realty Corp. is scheduled to open an attraction at One Vanderbilt, the 1,401-foot office tower currently under construction next to Grand Central Terminal.

“We believe there is an incredible latent demand for the observation experience in the New York tourism market,” said Robert Schiffer, a managing director at SL Green.

Skyscraper developers have realized that selling great views can be as profitable—and sometimes more profitable—than the offices, apartments or other space they sell on the floors below.
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New observation platforms have opened in Los Angeles and London in recent years. Another is being planned in Miami. Saudi Arabia is constructing the Jeddah Tower, the world’s first kilometer (3,281 feet) tall building with an observation platform that will enable visitors to see beyond Mecca, some 55 miles away.

These tourist attractions don’t always live up to such high expectations. Executives involved in the World Trade Center attraction predicted they would draw more than 3 million visitors per year, but its attendance today is in the 2.5 million range.
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For years, most skyscraper owners would use the top floor of their buildings not for general public use but as private venues, like the Cloud Club in New York’s Chrysler Building that closed in the late 1970s.

More recently, however, public observation decks have enjoyed a resurgence. In 2005, Tishman Speyer reopened the three-level deck atop 30 Rockefeller Plaza, which was designed to evoke the upper decks of a 1930s ocean liner. Lately it has been attracting about 3 million visitors per year, a spokeswoman for Tishman said.
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Profitability also was often hard to gauge until 2011, when the company that owned the Empire State Building filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission as part of an initial public offering. The filings showed that the tower’s observation deck made more money than its office space.

Last year, the Empire State Building observatory produced $127.1 million in revenue or about 40.4% of the building’s total
, according to Empire State Realty Trust .

“For most people that was a bit of a revelation,” said Jay Cross, Related’s president of the Hudson Yards project.
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At the World Trade Center, the elevator ride to the deck offers a panoramic experience that takes riders through 500 years of New York history. On the way down, the elevator simulates a ride outside of the building.

In August, the Empire State Building opened a new entrance in an effort to make the ticketing and waiting-in-line process more efficient, spacious, and educational. New features includes a grand staircase and 25-foot model of the building and historic photos of landmark.

Empire State Realty Trust is planning additional upgrades as part of a $150 million investment that will be completed in 2019, said Anthony Malkin, the chief executive. He said new features will be in keeping with the romance and history of the building.


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Great article.

Indeed big money makers. Tourism numbers keep increasing and likewise those numbers. Granted the ESB given its popularity and status if the biggest draw, but the numbers seem low for Top of the Rock. Its in every way a much superior deck to ESB IMO. Not as tall, but easier and not as constricted.

Hopefully DoBro gets a deck in time due. From a pure skyline perspective, one in LIC in the 700-900 foot range would be ideal, but it may be a while before that happens given no serious proposal for DoBro.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 26, 2018, 2:45 AM
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They'll all be taking my money. There are observation decks on a few of the newer residential towers, though for residents only.


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My latest video from this morning as it looks like from Riis Park.

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Old Posted Oct 1, 2018, 2:31 AM
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That obs deck view is going to be epic.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 2, 2018, 11:50 PM
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Apologies if I missed it being discussed before, but is there going to be glass floor in that outdoor observation deck?
     
     
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Apologies if I missed it being discussed before, but is there going to be glass floor in that outdoor observation deck?
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Why are there steel beams sticking up frm the platform edge? Renderings only show a glass barrier.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 4, 2018, 4:08 AM
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Why are there steel beams sticking up frm the platform edge? Renderings only show a glass barrier.
I hope to see something sturdier looking than just glass.




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Old Posted Oct 4, 2018, 5:29 PM
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Is the circled angled structure permanent? Previous closeup photos showed this to be a stepped platform like the one in Duffy Square (in Times Square). Those photos showed construction workers posing on it. Looks now like it could be permanent and includes access from the floor above the actual deck. Anyone in the know? If it is permanent, it will be a unique feature on an already unique deck!

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