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Old Posted Apr 29, 2018, 10:39 PM
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The Perfect Storm that Cirrus warned about has landed in Seattle

$930 million Move Seattle levy falling behind on project promises, review finds
April 25, 2018 By David Gutman/Seattle Times staff reporter
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Move Seattle, the $930 million transportation levy approved by Seattle voters in 2015, is falling behind on a number of its promised street and sidewalk improvements, and funding shortfalls will likely force some projects to be downsized or abandoned, according to a new review by the Seattle Department of Transportation (SDOT).
OMG, What went wrong?
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The agency also undersold the costs of the projects it was promising during the push for public approval in 2015, SDOT officials said. “We do not have enough funding right now to do everything that was promised, we just don’t,” SDOT interim Director Goran Sparrman said Tuesday
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For instance, the levy originally estimated that bike lanes would cost about $860,000 to build, per mile. While costs vary significantly by project, a nearly complete four-block extension of the Seventh Avenue protected bike lane through downtown has cost about $3.8 million to build, or nearly $13 million per mile.

The recently completed Second Avenue protected bike lane cost $12 million a mile, Sparrman said.
What about those new RapidRide routes that were planned.
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The levy committed to transforming seven bus corridors into RapidRide lines, with bus-only lanes, priority for buses at traffic lights, roadside fare-card readers and electric arrival signs.

The new review says SDOT can do things like add card readers and arrival boards... “I thought the mayor was going to have a heart attack when I showed her,” he said.
What about those anticipated Federal grants?
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SDOT officials said it’s not that funding has been cut, but that grant money isn’t being distributed as quickly by agencies like the Federal Transit Administration. SDOT originally estimated about $450 million in matching levy funds, but now says they’re estimating about half that.
This is interesting since last November Denver voters approved $937 million in bond funding for various projects about half of which were for transportation.
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Old Posted May 2, 2018, 5:17 AM
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Followup of Nashville transit proposal vote

Nashville voters overwhelmingly reject transit referendum
May 1, 2018 by Joey Garrison, USA Today Network - Tennessee
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Nashvillians resoundingly defeated a controversial plan that would have raised four taxes to fund a transit system anchored by light trail, voting against the historic referendum by a nearly 2-to-1 margin.

It was a sweeping rejection, with only five of 35 Metro Council districts, covering parts of East Nashville, Inglewood, downtown, 12South and Belmont, voting for the referendum.
It turns out the Mr Fancy Pants from NYC, Jon Orcutt, may have led the effort to design a wonderful urban transit system but he's a lousy politician. The voter turnout was impressively large.

Actually, it's kinda sad since I'm sure a lot of hard work went into this and they had the backing of most of the business community and had great momentum coming out of the gate.

I checked into this recently to get a sense of things. Since this was a city center focused system they lost (apparently big) in the surrounding outlying areas.
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The transit plan was successfully framed by skeptics as a project that primarily benefited downtown neighborhoods to address a traffic problem that is regional.
Sometimes politics creates the strangest bedfellows. In Nashville there was a lot of distrust among the minority community largely due to an organized anti-gentrification effort from a fear of TOD.
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At times the transit fight exposed a sharp divide — one between younger Nashvillians flocking to gentrifying neighborhoods closer to downtown who have embraced the idea of transit and others who feel the transit plan went a step too far.
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Old Posted May 4, 2018, 2:16 PM
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It turns out the Mr Fancy Pants from NYC, Jon Orcutt, may have led the effort to design a wonderful urban transit system but he's a lousy politician. The voter turnout was impressively large.
You mean an overly ambitious transit plan that relied on massive tax increases who's main proponent resigned in disgrace for screwing here bodyguard was a risky proposition? Perish the thought.

The regressive sales tax increase alone on this proposal probably doomed it. It would have made Nashville extremely uncompetitive with surrounding municipalities.
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Old Posted May 4, 2018, 6:03 PM
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You mean an overly ambitious transit plan that relied on massive tax increases who's main proponent resigned in disgrace for screwing here bodyguard was a risky proposition? Perish the thought.

The regressive sales tax increase alone on this proposal probably doomed it. It would have made Nashville extremely uncompetitive with surrounding municipalities.
I recall now you had a laser beam focus on those sales taxes. Given that it was a veritable 'perfect storm' I think adding that to the mix of problems makes sense.

There was a lot of business and tourist focused taxes as well but they needed everybody to chip-in in some way. In hindsight they probably tried to do too much for their size and density.

There's an old saying in sales that says "Sell the sizzle, not the steak." We may decide to buy a new car for good reasons but what we actually buy has more to do with how much we like the sizzle.

Consider FasTracks. People bought the sizzle because they were getting steak. Trains were the sizzle and a majority felt they would get a benefit in that their city/county was part of the party.

Too many people in Nashvile, like a large majority (for an election) didn't feel like they were getting any benefit. If there's no steak why should they pay for somebody else's sizzle?

I wondered about Mayor Barry's mess but at the end of the day I believe it came down to old fashioned politics. Put simply "People vote their pocketbook" which encapsulates both of our views.
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Old Posted May 4, 2018, 6:45 PM
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Interesting piece in the DBJ about crafting a transpotation bill. As always it's way too much about politics. The Aurora Sentinel put a nice wrap on the current state of things.
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Democrats should be lauded [for] stepping up as the adults in the room and ensuring a roads bill doesn’t further jeopardize already ailing state education and health programs. But it may be time to get what we can for now, and come back for a better solution when the political weather at the Capitol is better.
Getting back to my poker game, the Republicans are still playing their cards of 'wanting what they want' and being childish. The Dems have called their bluff by being the adult and offering a reasonable compromise.

In simpler English, for the Republicans to get what they want they will have to support a Denver Chamber etal voter initiative to raise taxes and revenue in addition to what the legislature comes up with. Republicans fear it won't pass. Eh, what they really hate is supporting tax increases. Without their support, of course the initiative won't pass in all likelihood. Grow up Republicans, it's what you want that's on the line.
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Old Posted May 5, 2018, 3:12 AM
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So union station is now a homeless shelter?

And RTD has cut service so much that there is only 1 southbound train per hour on weeknights towards mineral ?

Is this serious ?


No wonder RTD is failing if they cannot even be bothered to operate somewhat frequent service on the light rail


And union station at night is now more dangerous than maket street station ever was?


Maybe if Bunt makes some condescending posts while cirrus supports him it will make it all better ?
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Not carrying insurance on your assets (not liability but comprehensive at the least)? Seems like a pretty dumbass way of doing business.

Especially for a business where your assets aren't on your property nor are they actively monitored.
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Not carrying insurance on your assets (not liability but comprehensive at the least)? Seems like a pretty dumbass way of doing business.

Especially for a business where your assets aren't on your property nor are they actively monitored.
Yeah seriously. Reading about Turo insurance, I have a hunch the owners never got commercial liability insurance. So their personal auto insurance said tough shit when they filed a claim, or they under insuranced themselves with Turo’s insurance policies.
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Not carrying insurance on your assets (not liability but comprehensive at the least)? Seems like a pretty dumbass way of doing business.

Especially for a business where your assets aren't on your property nor are they actively monitored.
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Yeah seriously. Reading about Turo insurance, I have a hunch the owners never got commercial liability insurance. So their personal auto insurance said tough shit when they filed a claim, or they under insuranced themselves with Turo’s insurance policies.
My guess would be they figured the only time insurance was needed was when the cars were rented. Didn't check Turo but I assume like Uber/Lyft their insurance comes with rental contracts. Since the cars were otherwise just 'stored' on a lot they figured they'd just self-insure for any piddly, comprehensive stuff. Not sure they properly assessed the security of the 'storage'.
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Old Posted May 7, 2018, 10:23 PM
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“Fix our Damn Roads”
by Caldara/Independence Institute will now be competing with the genteel Denver Chamber for initiative signatures and votes come November.

Colorado House, Senate leaders strike transportation-funding deal
By Ed Sealover – Reporter, Denver Business Journal an hour ago

Bottom Line: Republicans blinked; they pretty much had to; throwing a hissy fit would have accomplished nothing just like what has happened for years.

So far... excellent
Over the next couple of years CDOT will receive one-time injections of $495 million and $150 million followed by $50 million a year. Fifteen percent of the funds are to be allocated to multimodal and fifteen percent allocated to local projects while the remaining seventy percent go to state projects. I like it; well done everybody.

The Denver Chamber/business groups intend to bring a transportation initiative for state voter approval for increased taxes and revenue. The Chamber thought it important that the legislature/general fund first contribute to the cause, partly as a good-faith showing to voters that existing state funding is part of the solution. But it's not enough so voters will be asked to join the road party
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Old Posted May 8, 2018, 5:55 PM
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The adults in the room


Photo: Nathaniel Minor/CPR News via CPR

http://www.cpr.org/news/story/colora...tation-funding
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House Speaker Crisanta Duran, D-Denver, and Republican Sen. President Kevin Grantham, R-Cañon City, announced a deal Monday...
Can we all just get along...
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“This is not what would be the ideal for either one of us,” said Grantham, nodding to Duran. “We are in a split legislature and sometimes that’s when we do our best work, when we have to look at the other side and come up with solutions that fall somewhere in between.”

Duran agreed the plan proved lawmakers could overcome political divisions.
Politics can be so predictable...

Republicans blinked but not all were happy about it so many threw out pissy statements which is SOP following any resolution.
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May 1st will roll around before you know it

What's in store for new shops, restaurants in DIA's Great Hall?
May 9, 2018 by Cathy Proctor – Reporter, Denver Business Journal
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Interest in the new business opportunities is running high, said Great Hall Partners CEO Ignacio Castejón said Wednesday in an interview with the Denver Business Journal. More than 200 people turned out in mid-April at a kick-off seminar about the request-for-proposal (RFP) process, and information about bidding for the concessions is being downloaded steadily from the team’s website, he said.

The 10 new stores are the first of 50 new shops and restaurants that will be part of the renovated Great Hall inside DIA’s Jeppesen Terminal. And Great Hall Partners isn’t wasting time. The team, led by Spain’s Ferrovial S.A., wants bids submitted by June 12, with contracts in place by the end of June — and stores open by May 1, 2019, less than a year away.
Does the Great Hall really have that much potential?
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DIA officials have said the newly renovated Great Hall will have three times the square footage available for restaurants and shops compared to the existing hall.

And the winners of the bid process will have access to a huge group of potential customers, Castejón said. “This is one of the single largest flow of passengers globally, as they walk through Jeppesen Terminal,” Castejón said.
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The Story of Two Kindred Cities

Austin transit advocates watch in horror as kindred city shoots down ambitious plan
May 2, 2018 By Meg Garner and Daniel Salazar – Austin Business Journal
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Nashville-area residents voted overwhelmingly against a $5.4 billion transit plan... But that disappointment was felt Wednesday outside of Middle Tennessee.

"It's a heartbreaker," said Rich MacKinnon, the former chairman of Austin's Urban Transportation Commission who splits his time between Austin and Nashville.
I wasn't aware of the affinity between Austin and Nashville.
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The two cities are often compared to one another as booming tech hubs in the South that are grappling with growing issues related to affordability, gentrification and traffic. So many transit advocates in Austin were closely watching the results of the referendum...
The Moral of the Story:
A bird in the hand is better than two kindred cities in the bush.

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Austin transit advocates watch in horror as kindred city shoots down ambitious plan
May 2, 2018 By Meg Garner and Daniel Salazar – Austin Business Journal

I wasn't aware of the affinity between Austin and Nashville.


The Moral of the Story:
A bird in the hand is better than two kindred cities in the bush.

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Current Austinite here. Nobody ever mentions Nashville about anything other than the new hot chicken place that just opened by my place.
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Current Austinite here. Nobody ever mentions Nashville about anything other than the new hot chicken place that just opened by my place.
It's been awhile.... but have you ever played the "Who are all those people, game?"

Consider DFW or DEN and all the scheduled flights going every-which-way to cities everywhere; and they do it every day. Who are all those people and do they just go back and forth every day?
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Just your typical Spring Cleaning?
or not...

With the aid of my mechanical calculator it looks like RTD is eliminating ~170 bus stops on various routes in May.
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or not...

With the aid of my mechanical calculator it looks like RTD is eliminating ~170 bus stops on various routes in May.
They're eliminating the stop closest to me. They're also reducing bus frequency on some of my most-used routes. This is -- as I understand it -- due to falling ridership. It seems the anti-car crowd's dream of Denver becoming a transit city are fading and we're in fact only becoming more car dependent despite all the increased density.

A major factor obviously is ride-sharing. I personally recently decided I would never use the bus again and started using ride-sharing exclusively - even though I can't afford it and it's really hurting me financially. But it doesn't work at all for most people (especially those of the lower classes) because most people have a commute long enough to make it prohibitively expensive. (Bear in mind, on some days the cost of a ride abruptly triples due to increased demand, due to poor weather and the like. My $17 ride to work once suddenly became a $50 ride one cold, snowy morning, and there was nothing I could do about it but either take the bus and be over an hour late for work [my RTD commute is typically 75 to 90 minutes -- 20-25 by car], or eat the cost. I ate the cost.)

It seems to me the shift away from commuting by car or public transportation, and towards ride-sharing, walking, and cycling, is primarily benefiting the wealthy who can afford to live and work downtown, and exacerbating gentrification. The vast majority of those residing in this metropolis continue to get around by car out of necessity (which is only getting worse as public transportation services are being cut), and the urbanist dream is quickly becoming out of reach for the average resident. Am I wrong? Thoughts?

I'm curious how ride-sharing compares to public transit and personal automobile use ecologically. Is it increasing traffic, pollution, and fossil-fule-use? Or decreasing? I imagine it's slightly beneficial - but only slightly. I'd be curious to see some data but I don't think there's much out there.
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