City Murder Rates

[pdxtex]

if you take into account, black, multi racial americans, it bumps it up to about 14%. but you are right, its probably hard to tell who really is from where with any degree meaningful accuracy. birthrates across the board in the US peaked 10 years ago too, so its down for all races. i agree with your point, though, immigrant status doesn't necessarily make you more or less susceptible to any kind of influence. what we do know though is immigrants who emigrate willingly, usually are the exception to their own people and seem willing to try and succeed more. ultimately, race has nothing to do with success or violence rates, its culture.

[Courier]

Originally Posted by Crawford

Ridiculous. Can you name these "whole huge regions of the country" with no news media?

Mexico is not that dangerous, and has declining murder and crime rates. Many of the biggest cities have lower murder rates than U.S. cities.

Tamaulipas, for one. See links below. I remember several years ago when the newly appointed police chief of Nuevo Laredo and five people accompanying him were shot dead in the middle of the city and it was reported in other parts of Mexico and around the world but you could not find one word about it on any on-line paper in that state.

When I say the media dares not operate I mean to report on organized crime. You can always finds stories on society happenings, bar fights, car wrecks and soccer.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/inves...=.b4043d9a6d9e

http://www.wan-ifra.org/articles/201...g-away-with--0

[Dallas_BJJ]

Des Moines,IA (10).


http://www.desmoinesregister.com/sto...ide/100379260/

[Tosin007]

http://homicidecanada.com/edmonton-2...-victims-list/
^(Edmonton HomicideCanada.com Tracker).

Edmonton is now @ 12.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...bing-1.4071663
^Story

Edmonton Population:
932,546 (2016 Canada Census).

Metro Population:
1,434,616 (July 1st, 2016).

Previous Years:
2016: 41
2015: 30
2014: 35
2013: 29
2012: 29

[tablemtn]

Portland has 3 murders (and 2 justified homicides) after a shooting in the far eastern part of the city:

Police: Man shot and killed in NE Portland's Hazelwood neighborhood; suspects at large

There was also an incident where a father killed his two daughters in a domestic violence case, but it took place along the city boundary between Portland and the suburb of Gresham, and it's not clear which jurisdiction will ultimately count those murders for statistical purposes.

[Tosin007]

Originally Posted by pdxtex

if you take into account, black, multi racial americans, it bumps it up to about 14%. but you are right, its probably hard to tell who really is from where with any degree meaningful accuracy. birthrates across the board in the US peaked 10 years ago too, so its down for all races. i agree with your point, though, immigrant status doesn't necessarily make you more or less susceptible to any kind of influence. what we do know though is immigrants who emigrate willingly, usually are the exception to their own people and seem willing to try and succeed more. ultimately, race has nothing to do with success or violence rates, its culture.

Yeah ur probably right. I forgot about the Multi-Racial/ Bi-Racial Demographic also . I guess race is measured very different in the US compared to most Countries. (Even relative to Canada the way, South Asian & Latino Groups are classified is completely different). Same goes for Southeast Asians or West Asians & Arab folks.
& yeah ur right I feel it's always been culture for the most part. I think if the AA's in the US just try to fit in more & adopt a more meaningful Culture the US will likely be fine as far as the Murder Rates go.

[Oliver May]

Originally Posted by tablemtn

Portland has 3 murders (and 2 justified homicides) after a shooting in the far eastern part of the city:

Police: Man shot and killed in NE Portland's Hazelwood neighborhood; suspects at large

There was also an incident where a father killed his two daughters in a domestic violence case, but it took place along the city boundary between Portland and the suburb of Gresham, and it's not clear which jurisdiction will ultimately count those murders for statistical purposes.

If they had 20 murders last year for 600,000 people, that is a murder rate of over 3 per 100,000. That would be a terrible murder rate for most Canadian cities.

I also suspect that they have their share of firearm suicides and accidents. The lack of AAs has little to do with gun violence in the USA. Montana has a gun violence problem. And I am sure its ethnic population is negligible. Montana's murder rate is comparable to Edmonton's, one of Canada's worst cities, if not the worst.

[Tosin007]

Originally Posted by Oliver May

If they had 20 murders last year for 600,000 people, that is a murder rate of over 3 per 100,000. That would be a terrible murder rate for most Canadian cities.

I also suspect that they have their share of firearm suicides and accidents. The lack of AAs has little to do with gun violence in the USA. Montana has a gun violence problem. And I am sure its ethnic population is negligible. Montana's murder rate is comparable to Edmonton's, one of Canada's worst cities, if not the worst.

Edmonton IS the Worst. Typically averaging Annual Murder's in the High 30s to low 40s.
(For under 1 Million Population in the City limits it's even worse than Winnipeg). Your right 3 Per 100,000 IS Terrible,
(For Canadian Standards), but for the US it's pretty damn good considering how bad alot of their Cities are.

[Flyers2001]

Warm days in Philly, lead to this.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/cr...pril-2017.html

[Via Chicago]

Originally Posted by pdxtex

american blacks, not immigrants, represent 13% of the us population and between 1980 and 2008, committed 52% of all homicides in this country. murder is almost exclusively intra-racial also. the biggest and most glaring disparity related to gun violence is the manner in which people are injured. nearly 80 percent of white deaths by a firearm are suicides. the opposite is true for black americans. 80% of black gun deaths are a homicide. so crawfords not blowing smoke on this topic. entrenched ghetto violence is mostly unknown in white and asian neighborhoods, and somewhat prevalent in hispanic. we could go round and round on this topic but the causes are multi-faceted. but deindustrialization and single parenthood are the top two id say. as far as portlands relative safety, its violent crime rate is lowish but quality of life crimes are through the roof. the street scene in this town has eroded greatly with little relief in site. the entire city is being over run by hobo junkies and juggalo campers. its ffffn terrible. some kid was murdered in the park across from my work yesterday afternoon too. things are getting weird even in white ppl cities.

im sure this has nothing to do with the fact that the united states was built on white supremacy, slavery, racism, and segregation. the voting rights act is only 50 years old, and we currently have a sitting Attorney General who thinks the protections it ensures are "intrusive". the fact that you even speak in terms of "white ppl cities" and shock at the notion crime can occur outside of minority neighborhoods is fucked in itself.

this thread is gross

[Tosin007]

http://homicidecanada.com/antonio-se...side-his-home/
^(Toronto HomicideCanada.com Tracker).

The 6ix is now @ 15.

http://homicidecanada.com/toronto-ho...house-complex/
^Story

Toronto Population:
2.9 Million (2017)

GTA/ Metro Population
7 Million (2017 Officially)!

Previous Years:
2016: 73
2015: 55
2014: 57
2013: 57
2012: 48

[BG918]

Originally Posted by Tosin007

Edmonton IS the Worst. Typically averaging Annual Murder's in the High 30s to low 40s.
(For under 1 Million Population in the City limits it's even worse than Winnipeg). Your right 3 Per 100,000 IS Terrible,
(For Canadian Standards), but for the US it's pretty damn good considering how bad alot of their Cities are.

3 per 100,000 or 30-40 murders a year? Every major U.S. city would kill for that low murder rate.

[austlar1]

Originally Posted by Tosin007

Oh ok, so your saying if more African Americans move into Portland overtime the City will stop being safe & so Canada can pass it in terms of Safety for our Cities too?
Right Now if Portland was a Canadian City it's Homicide Rates are slightly below average. It's even safer than several Canadian Cities right now, such as Edmonton, Winnipeg, Saskatoon, Regina etc.
So ur telling me all it would take is a few decades of growth in the African American Community & boom Portland turns into a Crime Infested Shithole like most of the US?

If Portland suddenly found itself with an impoverished and poorly educated/socialized population that was 50% to 70% (think most mid-western US cities and many southern US cities) African-American, where there were rotten public schools, high unemployment for unskilled workers, few two parent households, and flourishing gang/drug activity, I think it is a pretty safe bet that homicide rates would go through the roof.

[Tosin007]

Originally Posted by BG918

3 per 100,000 or 30-40 murders a year? Every major U.S. city would kill for that low murder rate.

Lol it's high for us though & even vs. Other Developed Countries it's considered high, their aren't many Cities in Australia, or New Zealand, or the Uk, or many, many different European Countries that would consider that low.
Only an American would consider that low & most Canadians I have talked to from small town Alberta. (The Province that I live in), are terrified of crime in Edmonton. (Some I even know told me they downright wouldn't live there).

[Tosin007]

Originally Posted by austlar1

If Portland suddenly found itself with an impoverished and poorly educated/socialized population that was 50% to 70% (think most mid-western US cities and many southern US cities) African-American, where there were rotten public schools, high unemployment for unskilled workers, few two parent households, and flourishing gang/drug activity, I think it is a pretty safe bet that homicide rates would go through the roof.

Yeah Probably. Ok what's Austin's reason for the low murder rate where u live?
Doesn't it have alot of African Americans? Compared to/ relative to Portland?

[pdxtex]

Originally Posted by Via Chicago

im sure this has nothing to do with the fact that the united states was built on white supremacy, slavery, racism, and segregation. the voting rights act is only 50 years old, and we currently have a sitting Attorney General who thinks the protections it ensures are "intrusive". the fact that you even speak in terms of "white ppl cities" and shock at the notion crime can occur outside of minority neighborhoods is fucked in itself.

this thread is gross

and yet even thru all the very worst of america's racist past, and deindustrialization, and block busting, and redlining, the black family remained fairly well intact, and children were raised in two parent household until.......lbj (arguably the most racist modern politician and president??) and the great society.....id posit, welfare more than anything, ruined modern black america, and has created a culture of dependency that discourages marriage and encourages single parenthood....also are you kidding? plenty of white people are crooks. portland is the skeazy, caucasian capital of america. sarcasm friend, sarcasm.......

[Tosin007]

http://homicidecanada.com/edmonton-2...-victims-list/
^(Edmonton HomicideCanada.com Tracker).

Edmonton is now @ 14! Yikes 1 Behind Toronto now!
(Murder Capital Confirmed)!

http://www.edmontonsun.com/g00/2017/...w.google.ca%2F
^Story

Edmonton Population:
932,546 (2016 Canada Census).

Metro Population:
1,434,616 (July 1st, 2016).

Previous Years:
2016: 41
2015: 30
2014: 35
2013: 29
2012: 29

[Tosin007]

Canada's Murder Rates are only lower than the US is because we have Gun Control & we also have a way, way, smaller population. Overall our Cities have never really grown nearly as quickly so it's easy to manage the people we do have. None of our
Cities are too massive relative to their ages. (So no mass migration like the US experienced). Which means basically Zero Percentage of the Population truly needs to be vetted anyways. (Because most People in Canada are legal immigrants).
We have far fewer Illegals than the US has. (& I guess u could say we have less Black People too), but that's half of the issue, our Blacks are African Immigrants & from the Carribean, we have miniscule numbers of African Americans in our Cities so FAR less crime for that reason. (& typically any African American immigrating to Canada in the 1st place), would obviously have to have a much higher IQ as it is than ur average/ typical African American living in a Ghetto or something. Lastly & here's the caveat.
(Better social safety net), & a greater Federal Commitment to Violent Crime Reduction. (Also more Densely Packed Cities makes for more of a community feel).
The community matters more to you when u aren't trying to live in some far flung subdivision Hundreds of Miles away from the City core just because u wanted that American Dream. (2 Car Garage with the White Picket Fence & Huge Yard). Canadian Cities sprawl less & as a result our Suburbs are safer.

[austlar1]

Originally Posted by Tosin007

Yeah Probably. Ok what's Austin's reason for the low murder rate where u live?
Doesn't it have alot of African Americans? Compared to/ relative to Portland?

City of Austin Population by race

White 48.7%
Hispanic 35.1%
African American 8.1%
Asian 6.3%
Other 3.4%

Austin has been experiencing higher rates of homicide the past few years. I think the total came to 42 or 43 last year. This year is looking to surpass that. There were 7 homicides in the metro area over the past 10 days, which is truly unusual and scary. Most of Austin's homicides are gang and drug related and impact the African American and Hispanic communities disproportionately. The murder rate for white Austin area residents is very low, probably less than 20% of the total. BTW, Austin's African-American population has experienced a statistical(not numerical) decline over the past decade, as a large number of inner city residents have moved to close-in suburbs due in part to gentrification of traditional African-American neighborhoods.

[Jonesy55]

Some homicide trends from Scotland today. A decade ago the city proper of Glasgow had a rate of around 5.7/100k making it the murder capital of Western Europe. It probably still is close to that title but with rates 60% down on 10 years ago.



With a population of 606,300 in the city proper, 14 homicides in 2015/16 (the year to March 31 2016) equates to a rate now of 2.31/100,000. If you take the whole of the Glasgow City Region which includes East Dunbartonshire, East Renfrewshire, Glasgow City, Inverclyde, North Lanarkshire, Renfrewshire, South Lanarkshire, and West Dunbartonshire you have a total of 29 homicides for a population of 1.8m, a rate of 1.61/100,000. Excluding the city proper the outer districts of the City region had 15 homicides in 2015/16 for 1.2m population, a rate of 1.25/100,000.

Those are all higher than the UK average but the city region as a whole is showing good progress. Most homicides are not gang/crime related but rather they are related to the city's historic culture of heavy drinking in working class areas with most homicides taking place within homes and committed by perpetrators who are acquaintances of the victims. Knives are the most common method and up to 70% of perpetrators were thought to be under the influence of alcohol. :|

Edinburgh has also seen some reductions though rates were never as high there, just 1 homicide in 2015/16 was a very good year, with a population of 495,000 in the city proper that is a rate of just 0.2/100,000 residents, down from over 2.0 in some years in the last decade.