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HSR to boost social media prescence

AM900 CHML | Hamilton News | Ken Mann
Posted: May 30, 2016 03:22 pm

The city is finally moving on a long-standing request of HSR riders.

Hamilton’s transit provider is leaping into 2016 by hiring a social media coordinator to ensure that customers are getting crucial service updates.

The lack of an HSR presence on Twitter and Facebook has long frustrated users. It’s also been viewed as a handicap to ridership growth. The position, approved by members of the public works committee, will be funded through the conversion of a vacant ticket agent position.

http://www.900chml.com/2016/05/30/72948/


The HSR has also rejected a proposal to allow large dogs to ride the bus, excluding service dogs, due to potential conflicts.

A staff report cites concerns related to space and public safety.
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Nov 12 2015:

"It's not that our ridership is dropping now – it's actually growing, but at a slower rate than a lot of surrounding municipalities, " Dixon said.
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Metrolinx wrestles with what fare is fair
(Toronto Star, Ben Spurr, June 13 2016)

It’s a small task that millions of people perform every day, by dropping coins in a fare box, flashing a transfer to a bus operator, or tapping a Presto card at the subway turnstile.

But with plans afoot to change how, and how much, transit riders in the Toronto region pay for public transit, the fate of that simple gesture is looking very complicated.

For more than a year and a half, Metrolinx, the Ontario government’s regional transit agency, has been working on a plan to merge the fare systems of the Greater Toronto and Hamilton Area’s nine municipal transit operators, as well as GO Transit.

It’s a project that could transform the daily routines of millions of transit riders from Hamilton to Oshawa, and the Ministry of Transportation says it’s key to the success its plans to increase mobility in the GTHA.

“Gridlock and congestion doesn’t respect area codes or municipal boundaries,” Transport Minister Steven Del Duca told the Star in an emailed statement.

“In order to support the unprecedented transit investments that the Ontario Liberal Government is making, we need a fare integration system across this entire region that works seamlessly.”

The goal of integration is to enable transit users to go to their nearest transit stop, pay their fare using the new Presto fare card, and never notice if they transfer onto another municipality’s system.

Integration is necessary, Metrolinx says, because more than 22 per cent of the GTHA’s nearly 2 million daily transit riders cross a municipal boundary, and thousands of them pay a penalty for it.

While transit operators in the regions outside Toronto honour each other’s fares, anyone crossing over from the 905 area code to the TTC has to pay a second full fare. The same goes for regional GO riders who hop on a TTC bus or subway once they get to Toronto, even for a short trip. (Operators in the suburban regions charge a heavily discounted co-fare for transfers to or from GO.)

More than 130,000 riders a day are forced to pay two fares, creating a “fare barrier” Metrolinx believes discourages people from leaving their cars behind.

The region’s municipalities are being consulted on the project, and there’s general agreement that integration could be beneficial. But each transit operator wants to make sure that any new model doesn’t hurt its riders or end up costing it more.

“What we want to make sure is that it’s going to be simple for our customers to use,” said Rick Tagaki, director of transit operations for York Region — and that it doesn’t result in the municipality “overspending” on transit.

Metrolinx has put forward three fare integration scenarios. The first, and simplest, would see the municipal transit agencies endorse a common transfer rule that would allow riders to pass between systems either free or for a small co-fare.

The second model would create geographical fare zones for local and rapid transit and would charge riders according to the number of zones they cross. Rides on buses might cost less than those on subways or LRTs, but the same zones would apply.

Fares for GO trips would still be charged by distance, but shorter journeys would cost the roughly the same as rapid-transit trips of the same length.

The third, or “hybrid” option would have different fares for different modes: a flat rate for local service like buses and streetcars, but fare-by-distance for rapid transit on subways and LRTs, and for regional GO Transit.…

TTC chair Josh Colle said he considers a fare-by-mode model a non-starter but said he wouldn’t rule out fare-by-distance, although he said he’s “not a fan.”

“I think it would be logical to retain in the large part the type of system we have. But we’re doing a lot of work, the TTC and other people at the table, to look at everything,” he said, adding he would “need to be convinced” of a distance-based fare’s merits.

Colle said his main concern is “How do we fairly fund and finance all of this seamless transportation?” The TTC has estimated that even the simplest option Metrolinx has proposed — to have the commission honour the transfers of nearby Durham, York, Brampton and Mississauga transit systems — could cost the agency between $20 million and $40 million a year.

The financial implications of the other two models are murky.

No matter what, Colle is adamant that the TTC, which carries 85 per cent of transit riders in the GTHA, not take on additional costs. He notes that as it stands, each TTC trip is subsidized by Toronto taxpayers at a rate of 89 cents per ride. That means that the 12 per cent of the TTC passengers who live in the outlying regions and take Toronto transit have their trips subsidized by Toronto residents.

“If, in an effort to integrate fares and have them be consistent, that burden (to Toronto) unfairly increases, that’s problematic,” Colle said.

Colle argues that Queen’s Park should pick up the tab for integration. But for the moment, Metrolinx says it’s looking at fare integration primarily from a perspective that’s “revenue neutral” for the province.

Del Duca didn’t respond directly to the Star’s question about whether his government would consider providing operating subsidies as part of an integration deal.

Despite Colle’s concerns, it’s not clear to what extent the TTC or the City of Toronto will have a say in how the fare system changes. Asked whether Metrolinx would require a regional fare structure to be explicitly endorsed by the GTHA municipalities, Leslie Woo, Metrolinx’s chief planner, said she couldn’t say.

“There are many ways this could happen. If everybody is in agreement, it could be voluntary,” she said.

“Another way this can happen, it could be legislated (by the province).”

And while Colle asserted at a joint meeting with Metrolinx in April that the TTC board “will continue to set the fares for the city of Toronto,” Woo said Metrolinx has a mandate to set the region’s overall fare structure.

She stressed that nothing would be implemented without substantial consultation. “We will do this all working closely with the municipalities.”

The political fight could get nasty, but it’s still likely to be years before riders feel the impact of integrated fares. The TTC’s phase-in of the Presto system, a necessary condition of integration, won’t be complete until 2017.

And while Metrolinx’s official timeline would see an evaluation of the three fare models go before the agency’s board this fall, some involved in the process have privately expressed doubt that the Liberal government will push ahead with the potentially controversial plan so soon before the provincial election expected in spring 2018.


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"It's not that our ridership is dropping now – it's actually growing, but at a slower rate than a lot of surrounding municipalities, " Dixon said.
2015 HSR ridership decline: 1.8%
2016 HSR ridership decline, year-to-date: 2.6%



"Of note is that the municipal transit agencies (Brampton, Mississauga, York) that are experiencing growth are also expanding their service networks. Brampton’s growth (10.3%; 850K rides) is due in part to the “Zum” bus rapid transit service, which was implemented beginning in 2010. Mississauga’s growth (2.6%; 300K rides) is due in part to the opening of the Mississauga Transitway, which opened in 2013 and is expected to attract 5 million annual rides when it is completed in 2017. York’s growth (1.6%; 150K rides) is due in part to the ongoing expansion of the “Viva” bus rapid transit service."

Via TTC 2016 Ridership Update (July 11, 2016)


If this trendline remains constant through December 31, HSR ridership will not have increased by ~158K as predicted in David Dixon's Ten Year Local Transit Strategy but will have dropped by ~567K by year-end.

And the HSR's ridership projections for the first two years of the Ten Year Local Transit Strategy would be short by more than 1.1 million riders, net.
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King Street bus route through Westdale under scrutiny
(Hamilton Spectator, Teviah Moro, July 13 2016)

Will Westdale lose its King?

The jury is still out on that question as city staff review the King Street bus route through the heart of the west-end village.

"It's very early. They are doing consultations," city spokesperson Andrea McKinney said Wednesday.

Coun. Aidan Johnson has asked staff to study ways to reduce the noise and vibrations of buses on Sterling Street, a residential route the King bus uses to reach McMaster.

"Ideally, I want to combine bus routes that maximize ridership with bus routes that are sensitive to neighbourhood concerns," Johnson said.

The King bus — a crosstown workhorse that runs from Eastgate Square to the university — takes King Street West through the heart of the Westdale before hanging a right on Sterling.

One option, Johnson noted, is rerouting the No.1 King bus along Main Street.

That would solve the Sterling problem but opens up another can of worms: skipping the Westdale business area altogether.

That has some businesses in the area on edge.

An online petition called "Keep the King in Westdale!" had garnered 245 supporters as of Wednesday evening.

The change.org campaign argues skipping to Main would "negatively impact patrons" of the small commercial area, students and seniors who rely on the frequency of the King bus.

Johnson, who represents Ward 1, says he's heard from business operators.

"Many villagers have expressed concern about reduction of buses running through Westdale Village. I hear them loud and clear."

He assured eliminating Westdale's bus service is "totally out of the question."

"Rather we're asking the question, 'Could we reduce the number of buses that are going down Sterling?'"



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Sterling residents shouldn't have to suffer all those buses hauling students along their street because they're next to McMaster. But renting out every house to those students, that's okay.
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The Sterling thing strikes me as a little silly considering there's been a lot of buses forever. But whatever.

For the ridership drop, I would be curious to see a chart of ridership versus gas prices.
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I suspect that SoBi's success is also a contributing factor — 10,000 active users can add up over time.
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Johnson asked staff to review the King route after fielding concerns from Sterling Street residents.

One of them is Dieter Klaus, a longtime resident who lives with his wife near the corner of Whitton Road.

The retiree says the problem is during the school year when, at times, as many as three buses in a row will pass by his house, jockeying for position — some full, others half-empty.

"They either have to leapfrog each other or stop," Klaus said. "It's crazy."

At peak times during the school year, a bus passes every 90 seconds, he noted.

He can feel the rumbling of buses as they drive over a spot of patchy asphalt outside his home. "When the buses go over the crack, our whole house shakes every time."

Klaus emphasized he's not against robust public transit ("I'm quite adamant about that.") but hopes to find a rational compromise.
If your house is shaking Dieter, perhaps the buses aren't your biggest problem.


If they take the buses off Sterling, and continue them along King, they could access the campus via Dalewood/Haddon and Main (at the expense of either a longer trip that includes a turnaround somewhere on Mac's property, or a large reduction in convenience for students in the north half of the campus by not traveling there), or via King and Forsyth Ave. to/from the Sterling entrance (which will raise hackles on the narrow Forsyth). The other option is using Forsyth south of King wrapping around MUMC, but that's got similar campus access issues as the Main option, and again it's fairly narrow though a bit better than the north block, with homes not used to bus traffic.

What I don't understand is why is this a problem now?? There have always been lots of buses coming in and out via Sterling St. I don't recall reading about complaints before... not recently, not 10 years ago, and not 25 when I was on some of those buses every day (and the B-line used to take that route as well).

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Maybe this move foretells the belated removal of HSR from campus.

Route tweak boots B-Line off campus
(Hamilton Spectator, Rebecca Penty, Aug 22 2008)

McMaster University students say the express city bus will no longer be the fastest way to get to class.

Come Sept. 2, the No. 10 B-Line bus will bypass its former three on-campus stops and run east and west only along Main Street.

"Everybody likes to take the 10 because it's an express," said Ahmad Jomaa, a biochemistry graduate student who takes the bus to school daily from east Hamilton.

"Now it's not going to be any good because it doesn't stop on campus," Jomaa said.

The Hamilton Street Railway will discontinue the B-Line's campus service through the Sterling Street entrance at the university's request. It plans to move out three other buses that run through campus by some time in 2011.


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Maybe this move foretells the belated removal of HSR from campus.

Route tweak boots B-Line off campus
(Hamilton Spectator, Rebecca Penty, Aug 22 2008)

McMaster University students say the express city bus will no longer be the fastest way to get to class.

Come Sept. 2, the No. 10 B-Line bus will bypass its former three on-campus stops and run east and west only along Main Street.

"Everybody likes to take the 10 because it's an express," said Ahmad Jomaa, a biochemistry graduate student who takes the bus to school daily from east Hamilton.

"Now it's not going to be any good because it doesn't stop on campus," Jomaa said.

The Hamilton Street Railway will discontinue the B-Line's campus service through the Sterling Street entrance at the university's request. It plans to move out three other buses that run through campus by some time in 2011.


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McMaster would like the HSR off campus. Their student union, however, the ones who actually pay the HSR for service, want the buses to stay on campus. So things are kind of stuck where they are for now. Part of the plan to remove buses was to come up with a more appropriate location to dump passengers. And that's tough since the current routing runs pretty much through the centre of the school.

What I don't get is why they first removed the B-Line as opposed to the King way back when. And King has since had a service increase. Ideally, they would swap the two routes, but that likely won't happen, as they try to align the bus with a potential LRT route.

This whole mess started years ago because of a dispute between McMaster and the City over construction vehicles entering the campus off Sterling. Residents complained about trucks entering the east side of the campus, which they should have been allowed to do as they were local traffic. The construction was at that edge of the property. Residents convinced the City that work vehicles should come in off Main St and travel right through campus, past thousands of pedestrians. The University countered that if so many large vehicles were a nuisance and/or hazard to Westdale, then it wasn't safe for Mac either. The safest thing to do would be to reduce the number of large vehicles through campus. But not their vehicles, the City's, ie. the buses.

Long story short, the NIMBYs of Westdale pitted the City against McMaster to get rid of some trucks. Now that Mac's not an issue, time for them to turn on the City.
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This whole mess started years ago because of a dispute between McMaster and the City over construction vehicles entering the campus off Sterling. Residents complained about trucks entering the east side of the campus, which they should have been allowed to do as they were local traffic. The construction was at that edge of the property. Residents convinced the City that work vehicles should come in off Main St and travel right through campus, past thousands of pedestrians. The University countered that if so many large vehicles were a nuisance and/or hazard to Westdale, then it wasn't safe for Mac either. The safest thing to do would be to reduce the number of large vehicles through campus. But not their vehicles, the City's, ie. the buses.

Long story short, the NIMBYs of Westdale pitted the City against McMaster to get rid of some trucks. Now that Mac's not an issue, time for them to turn on the City.
Ah, this issue I do recall. Thanks.
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Sure, why wouldn't they?
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Whether related to the recent enforcement activity around McMaster U-Pass eligibility, or just trying to bring a bit of decorum to the ride, the HSR has posted gentle reminders in its buses.

Attention All HSR Passengers
Transit By-Law 16-111 Has Been Passed.

Read the Special Edition 2016 Bus News or visit our website on this new by-law as it pertains to Fares, Authorized Vendors, Animals on Board and Personal Conduct.


Here's the legislation in question: By-Law No. 16-111, A By-law Respecting the Passenger Transportation System Operated and/or Funded by the City of Hamilton.
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Hamilton getting its share of federal transit money

AM900 CHML | Hamilton News Paul Tipple Posted: August 23, 2016 11:49 am

Hamilton will get its share of 1.5 billion dollars in federal transit money being handed out by Ottawa today.

The money is part off the Trudeau government’s first budget and mayor Eisenberger says Hamilton’s share is between 32 and 36 million dollars.

He says money will be used to buy new buses, transit shelters and technology upgrades.

Eisenberger says the city will also be eligible for future federal funding programs that may mean the HSR will finally get its much need bus storage facility.

That facility would be part of an expanded HSR throughout the city known as the Blast Network.

Mayor Eisenberger says the cost of that expansion has been reduced from 300 million to 250 million dollars mainly because of improved efficiencies and reduced land acquisition costs.

The details of the next funding announcement will be made by the Trudeau government in September and Eisenberger says the city will be ready with its application.

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It seems every round of improvements comes with little or negative growth. At this rate, an LRT line will kill the system altogether.
(Kidding. Kind of.)

I'm curious how this balances out with increased revenue (fares) and increased costs (added service and inflation).
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Interesting that apart from Mississauga and Brampton no one else is doing much better. St. Catharine's yikes.
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City of Hamilton hires new Director of Transit

SEPTEMBER 7 2016
https://www.hamilton.ca/government-i...rector-transit

HAMILTON, ON – September 7, 2016 – The City of Hamilton is pleased to announce that Debbie Dalle Vedove is the successful candidate for the Director of Transit position with the City of Hamilton.

Transit plays a vital role in the health and wellbeing of residents in Hamilton. It connects people to their homes, jobs, local businesses, programs and services, family, social functions, and other transit networks. With nearly 30 years of experience in the transit industry, Debbie is poised to take on this important role leading transit in Hamilton.

Starting out as a bus operator, Debbie moved into roles with progressive supervisory and management responsibility. She spent the first 20 years of her career with the Toronto Transit Commission (TTC), gaining experience in bus, light rail and subway operations.

Debbie has been the Director of Operations with Oakville Transit for the past nine years. While in Oakville, Debbie led the successful implementation of several projects including the launch of Oakville’s Intelligent Transportation System.
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