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Old Posted Mar 28, 2017, 7:31 PM
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The Global Financial Centres index 21 (2017)

Source: http://www.longfinance.net/images/gfci/gfci_21.pdf

1. London
2. New York
3. Singapore
4. Kong Kong
5. Tokyo
6. San Francisco
7. Chicago
8. Sydney
9. Boston
10. Toronto
11. Zurich
12. Washington
13. Shanghai
14. Montreal
15. Osaka
16. Beijing
17. Vancouver

49. Calgary
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Old Posted Mar 28, 2017, 8:05 PM
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Not surprised Calgary dropped on that list, hopefully next years list has up back up in the 30's.
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Vancouver and Montreal really punch above their weight. Good for the big three!
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Old Posted Mar 28, 2017, 8:14 PM
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Trinidad and Tobago, Liechenstein and Isle of Man above Sao Paulo, Mexico City, Mumbai and Manila? This list is a joke, not a reputable research firm.
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Vancouver and Montreal really punch above their weight. Good for the big three!
Canada, China, and the US are the only countries with 3 cities or more in the top 20.
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Trinidad and Tobago, Liechenstein and Isle of Man above Sao Paulo, Mexico City, Mumbai and Manila? This list is a joke, not a reputable research firm.
Tax haven
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I'm sorry but any rating that puts Paris behind Vancouver and only 1 spot ahead of that financial bastion of Casablanca is a complete and utter farce.
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Vancouver is a bigger financial centre than Frankfurt because, you know, Joe Schmo's Gold Mining Penny Stock > Deutsche Bank.
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Ya there are some real oddities in there.

Tough to deny it's a good sign that Canadian centres placed well, but I wouldn't put too much weight on the individual rankings.
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I sure wouldn't place Montreal and Vancouver ahead of places like Paris and Frankfurt. It's so easy to make the list you want though... so much depends on what weight you choose to assign to what metrics.
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Old Posted Mar 28, 2017, 11:45 PM
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A list without Moose Jaw (Manitoba), Matane, (QC) or St-Stephen (NB) is ludacris.

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I sure wouldn't place Montreal and Vancouver ahead of places like Paris and Frankfurt. It's so easy to make the list you want though... so much depends on what weight you choose to assign to what metrics.
OK. What metric is being used that puts Vancouver ahead of Paris, and what metric would put Paris ahead of Vancouver.

At least it's not an opinion piece. Vancouver must have some clout.
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It's based off the responses of those in the financial industry, so it's highly subjective. The good thing is it's based off the subjectivity of those in the industry, so at least Canadian cities are top of mind for these people.
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OK. What metric is being used that puts Vancouver ahead of Paris, and what metric would put Paris ahead of Vancouver.

At least it's not an opinion piece. Vancouver must have some clout.
Well Vancouver is the money laundering capital of Canada.
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Old Posted Mar 29, 2017, 12:18 AM
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It's based off the responses of those in the financial industry, so it's highly subjective. The good thing is it's based off the subjectivity of those in the industry, so at least Canadian cities are top of mind for these people.
I've seen this kind of methodology before and in some cases it works, and in other cases it's a ludicrously anecdotal echo chamber.

If you have an industry where you know there are 5 players, and you ask 4 of them to comment on their competitors, you might get a fairly accurate snapshot of that industry.

However, if you have an industry as vast and vaguely defined as "the financial industry" and you ask a non-random sample of people questions like "where would you want to live?" and "which country do you think has potential in [vaguely-defined field]", you're going to get meaningless answers.

I find Canadian cities rank highly in non-randomized online surveys of anything, just because Canadians have an oversized internet presence. Being majority English-speaking certainly helps on the Internet; also, there might be a certain cultural je ne sais quois about Canadians that leads them to post their thoughts to forums and social media more than residents of other countries - even large, English-speaking countries.

This sub-forum is a great example. Relative to our population, Canadians probably represent a higher percentage of this forum's traffic than any other country so much that we can sustain our own, very active sub-forum. Now, a higher percent of Canadians probably live and/or work in a skyscraper than Americans, and our cities have some exciting projects relative to their size, but are our cities and our projects that much more a part of our lives compared to, say, the average Australian? Or the average Singaporean? They have sub-forums, but they're positively moribund in comparison. Or what about countries where there are millions of English speakers, internet use is high among the middle class and development is on fire, like Mumbai? When it comes to skyscrapers under construction, our tallest isn't even the global top 250! Anyway, there's something about Canadians on the internet...
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This is like a list of The World's Biggest Armies. The top 5 or so are orders of magnitude more important than the rest. Whether you're 12th, 39th, 63rd, 87th.. doesn't really matter, you're pretty much in the same boat.
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and what metric would put Paris ahead of Vancouver
Serious question? Probably all of the following:

GDP within city limits (or, alternatively, metro area GDP)
Gross (or net) revenue of corporations headquartered there (city or metro) (various ways to define this one)
Current market cap total of Bourse de Paris vs current market cap total of Vancouver Stock Exchange
Number of banks there and volume of business they do (various metrics, there; volume of loans, etc.)

etc.
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It's a list of financial centers though.

GDP isn't a very good way to measure the financial sector of a given city, nor is corporate revenue. There is no Vancouver Stock Exchange.

Number of banks makes sense though.
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There is no Vancouver Stock Exchange.
Really?!?

(... and it doesn't strike you as a good reason to rank it below Paris and Frankfurt as a financial center?)
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Old Posted Mar 29, 2017, 2:31 AM
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Tax haven

Still isn't accurate. These are some of the weakest tax havens out there, compared to some of the largest financial centers. Carlos Slim's net worth is greater than the entire Casablanca bourse, yet here we have this noname organization claiming otherwise.
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