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Old Posted May 30, 2009, 1:17 AM
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I'm trying to figure out how a land swap factors into this... the Flames don't own any land to my knowledge (the city owns the Saddledome), and the land I'm suspecting they are talking about (the block between 12th and 13th) is owned by the Stampede to my knowledge. So unless they are proposing the city own the new arena but the Flames pay for it, and give the Saddledome to the Stampede which doesn't make much sense as it has no impact on them really, I really am curious.
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Having the new arena beside the casino would be sweet, I'm sure the casino wouldn't mind at all.
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Ken King was on the Fan already today again discussing the new arena. Sounded like the Saddledome would stay for other uses (Hitmen, concerts?) He used the words "decommissioned from its current use" or something." It would be good for the city if they converted part of it into an ~8000 seat venue for concerts.
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New Flames rink closer to reality
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The president of the Calgary Flames says the process for developing a new rink is well underway.

The hockey club says after more than two decades at the Saddledome it's time for something new.

"It's a wonderful stadium, we have wonderful memories. I think it's time to see where we can go in the future," says Harley Hotchkiss, a co-owner of the Flames.

Talk of a new arena has been circulating for years but now there seems to be some action.

"We have had several architectural looks created for our new building, we have been in contact with several major architectural and construction firms in Calgary," says Ken King, the president of the hockey club.

King says Stampede Park is an area where the new arena could be built.

King also says they are considering a second location but he won't divulge many details. "We think this should be an urban building, we think it should be downtown, most of our fans feel the same way."

King says there have been informal talks with federal and provincial officials. They've also talked with the city about the possibility of a land deal.

The Flames currently have a lease with the Saddledome that runs until 2014.
Lots of good discussion and ideas on Calgarypuck about this actually. (Certainly beats the retardation on parade in the comment section on the CTV site.)

So it looks like the Flames are serious about moving after the current lease expires. What would you like to see in the new arena? I know there's a decent amount of crossover between these two sites, (some of us using different handles though, myself and Bertie included.) You guys are better.
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I don't even read the comments section on any news site, makes me too angry.
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Construction updates on a new Flames Arena will definetly fill the void once the Bow is finished... I can hardly wait!!!
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If they wait any longer it will be too late. Its looking like everything is being set up for another labor crunch in a few years.
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Flames step up plans for new arena
Ready to seek proposals

By Kristen Odland, Calgary Herald September 3, 2009 7:11 AM

The Calgary Flames are moving forward with plans to build a new home away from the Pengrowth Saddledome.

Team president and CEO Ken King said Wednesday that although there's no firm deadline in place, the National Hockey League team wants to break ground on a new arena "as soon as we can."

"We have had several architectural looks created for our new building," King said. "We have been in contact and consultation with several major architectural and construction firms in Calgary and have been working on them.

"Requests for proposals will be going out in the next three or four months."

"We have had informal discussions, and I want to stress, informal discussions at all government levels, that's the provincial government, the federal government and the city."

The announcement follows news the Flames' provincial rivals, the Edmonton Oilers, have agreements to purchase land on two sites as possible locations for a new downtown arena to replace Rexall Place, which was built circa 1974.

When the Saddledome opened in 1983, the $100-million facility with the famous saddle-shaped roof was considered state-of-the-art. But it's now the sixth-oldest in the league.

The Flames have said they want a new arena to allow the team to compete financially with other leading franchises. Although the team's lease on the Saddledome expires in 2014, King said it can be extended on a short-term basis depending how quickly the arena is built.

"It would be difficult to imagine, if you dropped the flag today, that you could do it in much more than 36 months. And we're not dropping the flag today," said King, who is working with a rough target of three to five years to complete the project.

"The fact of the matter is, you don't want to stick yourself in a deadline position," King added. "There are lots of issues surrounding a new building, including development permits and the final acquisition of the land."

The Flames have identified two potential sites. At least one is on the Stampede grounds.

King wouldn't reveal the other location. Sources told the Herald last December one option is to tear down the Big Four Building along Macleod Trail, near the Erlton-Stampede LRT stop. That concept could see the LRT line lowered so it runs right into the new building, providing easier access for patrons. The other site being considered is at the north end of the Stampede grounds, along 12th Avenue S. E. and Olympic Way.

"While we've identified the two sites and we believe them to be suitable and available and we've talked to the city, there's much, much more work to be done," said King, who added that a land agreement is not yet in place.

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My guess will be that it will be immediately behind, or perhaps incorporated directly into the Stampede Trail development.
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My guess will be that it will be immediately behind, or perhaps incorporated directly into the Stampede Trail development.
I was thinking that too.
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It would be a HUGE catalyst for the Stampede Trail development getting off the ground.
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It would be cool if it were near Cantos too, that area would become Calgary's entertainment district.
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I still think there is more potential with the Big 4 site...

- Hopefully a new LRT station integrated and below grade
- Open Stampede park with 17th carrying through (potentially connecting with Stampede trail).
- Catalyst for development on the severely underutilized eastern section of 17th

I'd ideally like to see the LRT trenched/tunneled from the cemetery hill tunnel through to DT. This would really open up Stampede Park as a (gasp) park instead of the gigantic wall/barrier it is now siding on Macleod trail. The new arena at the Big 4 site could be the catalyst for all of this work, which I can't see happening otherwise.
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It would be cool if it were near Cantos too, that area would become Calgary's entertainment district.
One big problem... No nearby C-Train.
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Has there been any word (beyond speculation) on what will happen to the Saddle Dome once the new arena is constructed?
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^^At one point Ken King mentioned on the Fan (I posted about this earlier in the thread I see) that the Saddledome would be "decommisioned," I could see it being renovated into something else, like a concert venue in the 8000-10000 seat range, something we lack here, but honestly I can't see it not getting demolished.

As for location, this is the most likely spot IMOeither set of two lots)


With some more development directly to the north along Olympic way/4th street and we get the entertainment district alluded to by Calgarian.

I kind of prefer the Big 4 option because getting the LRT upgrade would be awesome, and if they can the restore the 17th Av connection the Saddledome is really on the Red Mile. Seems unlikely to me though.
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Has there been any word (beyond speculation) on what will happen to the Saddle Dome once the new arena is constructed?
I can't see it going, the big factor is that neither the Flames nor the Stampede own it, the city does. And theres always a market for large event spaces, even with a new arena there would still be some demand that they can host
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I can't see it going, the big factor is that neither the Flames nor the Stampede own it, the city does. And theres always a market for large event spaces, even with a new arena there would still be some demand that they can host
If it does stay, I am pretty certain it'll be modifed somehow. There's no sense having two 19,000 seat arenas, especially not right next to each other.

Perhaps the city could do a major renovation and make into additional convention centre space? Though I do like the indoor waterpark idea.
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One big problem... No nearby C-Train.
If the Dome ended up in the east village it would be about the same distance to the 3rd St SE station as it currently is to Victoria Park. If it goees in one of the locations Jeff pointed out it would be a little further from the VP train station, but wouldn't be too bad. The most likely lot is the yellow one from Jeff's post.
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If the Dome ended up in the east village it would be about the same distance to the 3rd St SE station as it currently is to Victoria Park.
The 3rd Street SE Station is to be demolished as part of the 7th Avenue refurbishment project. That would make the nearest station one block further, at the current City Hall Station, where there will be a platform on eiher side of 7th Avenue.
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