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Old Posted Mar 20, 2017, 8:12 PM
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Thanks for finding yesterday's mystery location, tovangar2. It seems to be well preserved.


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We've seen a couple of Palos Verdes apartment complexes over the last few weeks, so, for a change, here's a Palos Verdes industrial site from Julius Shulman. It's "Job 3332: Charles Luckman Associates, Nortronics (Palos Verdes Peninsula, Calif.), 1961". There are color images of the building below in the set, but they're either over- or under-saturated and not as well framed. I've also omitted a few of the black & white shots.



This side view shows more of the landscaping.



Looking out from inside the building above.



The other buildings on the campus look like the one on the right.



I'll finish the Shulman photos with this interior shot.



All from Getty Research Institute

Here's an article from the 28 May, 1959 issue of Palos Verdes Peninsula News which announces the site acquisition. It incorrectly lists the location as "Crest Road west of its intersection with Hawthorne Boulevard" - it was actually east of the intersection.
NB. I've rearranged the columns to fit the screen better.


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The 23 February, 1961 issue of Palos Verdes Peninsula News gives this great description of the site:
Moving day will begin the first week in April by the Nortronics Research Center in their 50 acre development on the plateau of the Palos Verdes Peninsula.

Official grand opening ceremonies for the center will be held in early summer. The nature of some of the research and development projects will require a slow moving process over a two month period. The division headquarters and administration building, a two-story structure, covering some 35,000 square feet will be completed.

Also scheduled for occupancy are two large office-laboratory buildings containing 30,000 square feet each, expandable at a future date to 40,000 square feet. Two smaller units of 10,000 and 15,000 will be expandable to 20,000.

The four office-lab buildings are constructed of light steel with a double-folded plateconcrete shell raised above a flat steel roof. This shell provides a screen for roof projections. An aerial tunnel or utility core will be located through the center of the raised shell to provide water, compressed air, vacuum systems, various gases, and electrical services.

Lab and drafting areas occupy the center of each research building; engineering offices, arranged along the exterior of each building, offer unrestricted views of the beautifully landscaped grounds and countryside.

Other significant features of the new research center include a multi-level effect achieved by accommodating the building locations to the contour of the rolling hills on the site. An artificial lake in front of the administration building, in addition to its decorative effect, will function as a half-million gallon reserve of water for fire prevention.

Concourse parking areas around each building will enable personnel to park close to their individual work area and will be terraced into the hillside.

A celestial observatory occupies the highest point of the Nortronics properly; a site on the southeast corner of the research center area. This unusual structure will be used to advance the state-of-the-art in stellar-monitored inertial guidance and navigation systems.
I've picked the few sentences below from a page about Palos Verdes Research Park at smecc.org. The text appears to originate from a 2006 Daily Breeze article:
When first proposed in 1958, Palos Verdes Research Park was touted as "the perfect place to think." Instead the proposal prompted a typical fight over development on the Palos Verdes Peninsula and five years later the nascent idea was all but dead.

Few South Bay residents today remember the proposed 400-acre "campuslike science center," originally envisioned to include an observatory and think tanks.

But the development near Hawthorne Boulevard and Crest Road became a hotly debated issue in what was then an unincorporated area and today is part of Rolling Hills Estates.

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Gradually, though, the land was parceled off and sold for residential development.

Northrop remained into the 1990s, but in 1991 the company announced it was in negotiations to sell the 34 acres it still occupied. The reason, according to a March 1991 Breeze article: skyrocketing home values had made it difficult to recruit scientists.

By 2003, the 68-home Vantage Point subdivision -- the last of the city's large subdivisions -- had risen in its place and the last remnant of the research park had vanished.
Below, the site can be clearly seen on the 1972 aerial view on the left. The houses first appear on the 2002 view, but the 2003 view on the right is clearer. I've outlined the Nortronics campus.


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Glendale and Pasadena too.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1Sr7EddpqF...ers+zinkes.jpg


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In 2010, West Hollywood had an exhibition placed along the median on Santa Monica Blvd. of some neon road signs...

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This animated Zinke's Shoe Repair sign was built with a porcelain enamel finish in 1928 for Zinke's in Glendale, California.

In 1983 Zinke's donated the sign to MONA and it was displayed at Universal City Walk until 2000. Apparently two existing
Zinke's signs of different designs can be found in Pasadena and Glendale, both in working order.
From Jason in Hollywood.
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Old Posted Mar 20, 2017, 8:22 PM
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Here's Bellflower Boulevard at Mayne Street on June 2, 1961. The Bellflower/Nubel/Holiday Theater is visible in the distance.


LAPL

I was hoping that some of the signage down the street had survived, but, as you can see, none has. The street has also been narrowed in places, and there are gaps between stores down the left (east) side. This is actually the 2011 view to get the central position, but the current view is almost identical.


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P.S. I think I also prefer the Bellflower Theater's original tower .
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Here's Bellflower Boulevard at Mayne Street on June 2, 1961. The Bellflower/Nubel/Holiday Theater is visible in the distance.
Both the historic and current photos of Bellflower Blvd and Mayne just miss the 1927 Bellflower P.E. Station, out of shot on the east side of the street:

Heller



It's still there


P.S.

...and speaking of Bellflower's "bellflower" street lamps, there seems to be one somewhat similar featured at Vermonica


Sheila Klein, the artist who installed Vermonica, also did the installation on Pico Blvd under the freeway overpass at about 34th St. More here.


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That station building was directly left of the Googlemobile in my "now" picture, but I only saw it end on, and didn't realize its significance. It wasn't looking so good in 2007.


GSV

The old railroad tracks have now been turned into foot/cycle path.


GSV
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I never see your GSV photos, Tovangar...on either Safari or Firefox browsers. Obviously some do?
Nor I (on IE).
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Both the historic and current photos of Bellflower Blvd and Mayne just miss the 1927 Bellflower P.E. Station, out of shot on the east side of the street:

Heller



It's still there


P.S.

...and speaking of Bellflower's "bellflower" street lamps, there seems to be one somewhat similar featured at Vermonica



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I drove by this old station location last week. Its largest use was during WW II. Its sort of a museum in 2017.


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Old Posted Mar 20, 2017, 10:24 PM
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Nor I (on IE).
Hot linking photos is a bad idea for this site. Its best to always use
a photo storage website.
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Old Posted Mar 20, 2017, 10:25 PM
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Here's a rare family photograph I found a couple months ago on ancestry.com


"View of Edward I. McCray residence looking down Bronson Avenue in 1925."


ancestry.com

-note how Bronson becomes much narrower a bit farther south. (not sure if the McCray residence is still standing) -or any of the neighboring houses.

There's also a pretty large 'Tudor' style house in the upper right corner


I tried finding the photograph again, without success) I'm not a member of ancestry / & I can't recall how I accessed it. (I must have slipped thru a 'back door')

If I remember correctly, oldstuff is a member (of ancestry). Maybe she can check it out.

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Old Posted Mar 20, 2017, 10:32 PM
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It's all still there. That's Hollyridge Loop at Bronson.

The McCray place is at 2151 Hollyridge Dr. Built 1923.

Edward Sweet designed it for E. I. McCray.

The single-story, Tudor-style one just south of it is at 2127 N Bronson (my, look how that tree has grown).


I think e_r may be able to see this:

google maps

I don't think Bronson narrows e_r. It's just the broad trees overhanging the roadway.



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Nor I (on IE).
One of my kids will be over tomorrow. I'll ask him. I don't want to burden you with a thousand words every time something catches my eye. Pix are so much better.

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I would never CBD. I use Google Photos, but it's still is trying to interact w/ Picasa3, which may be the problem.

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I would never CBD. I use Google Photos, but it's still is trying to interact w/ Picasa3, which may be the problem.
I know you don't hotlink T2 but several have over the years and now all of their posted photos are disappeared.

[Some of my photos have disappeared but that is a different story for another day.]
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Has anyone heard of 'Robinson Hall' in Pasadena?





I just found an earlier postcard that states Robinson Hall was also known as 'Robincroft', Woman's Home Missionary Society Rest Home.

1910s

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Post...0AAOSwuxFYuVtx









At some point in time the home was affiliated with the Methodist Church.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pasadena-CA-...BfFF3yXbqKo0mQ







This postcard mentions Metzer Hall (perhaps a sister building to 'Robinson Hall'?)


http://www.ebay.com/itm/PASADENA-CA-...H2vNaZ9bHcGhGw






The cafeteria was located in the above mentioned Metzer Hall.


brochure detail http://www.ebay.com/itm/bk-Robincrof...YAAOSwB09YFn~S


Today, the locals know it as the 'Robincroft Castle' (built in 1900 and believed to be designed by J. Blick). The castle is located on Monk Hill in northwest Pasadena.



Current photographs here:
http://www.viewsouthcahomes.com/prop...p?mls=10419064

$1,499,000 | Residential | 6 Bed | 5 Bath
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The stand-alone turret (with the bridge) contains a private chapel.(link below)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/michael_locke/28189822750

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The old railroad tracks have now been turned into foot/cycle path.


GSV
The old PE right of way was turned into the Bellflower Bike Trail a number of years ago.

https://www.traillink.com/trail/bellflower-bike-trail/

Angelenos passed Measure M in November 2016, which would expand the Metro light rail with the West Santa Ana Branch Transit Corridor on that old PE right of way. I wouldn't think they would be able to keep the Bellflower Bike Trail on that same right of way.

http://media.metro.net/projects_stud...iative_map.pdf
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[QUOTE=tovangar2;7746285]

It's all still there. That's Hollyridge Loop at Bronson.

The McCray place is at 2151 Hollyridge Dr. Built 1923.

Edward Sweet designed it for E. I. McCray.

The single-story, Tudor-style one just south of it is at 2127 N Bronson.


I think e_r may be able to see this:

google maps



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That's my old neighborhood 22+ years ago. I used to pass 2151 Hollyridge Dr almost daily when heading to Bronson Canyon for hike.
This building sat abandoned for years. No windows, the yard looked like a jungle. It was probably the only house in the area in that condition and I was sure it'll be torn down. Then the big housing boom came. When did it start, around 1998? Someone bought it and fixed it.
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Thanks for this information on 2151 Hollyridge Drive tovangar2 and Wenders! And YES, I can see your photo t2.

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This building sat abandoned for years. No windows, the yard looked like a jungle.
I'm so glad someone came in and saved it.

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This building sat abandoned for years. No windows, the yard looked like a jungle. It was probably the only house in the area in that condition and I was sure it'll be torn down. Then the big housing boom came. When did it start, around 1998? Someone bought it and fixed it.
2151 Hollyridge Dr /the McCray house is looking pretty good now. There's a bunch of interior/exterior photos here.

I read Chuck Berry (1926-2017) owned it (amazing what comes up when you search an address). His name is on a plumbing permit in 1980. Danny Masterson lived there starting in 2007 (wasn't he on "That 70s Show"?). It hasn't been sold again.


P.S.

Oh, that big Tudor-style place you mentioned e_r? It's at 2215 Hollyridge Dr, built in 1923 for Wm G. Bower, M.D.

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'mystery' location. [1950]



ebay

I wasn't able to find Maxwell's Cafe in any of the old directories.



A closer look.

"Kim Smilo at the Organ"

detail

Open 6 AM to 2 AM

"Out of Bounds (?) & Off Limits" sign. (but it doesn't look like 'bounds')
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I remember discussing these signs on NLA, but I thought they said "Off Limits to Servicemen"

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Before I call it a night, here's a 2nd 'mystery' location.

This one is dated 1962. (even though the watermark says Debi1965)


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I believe the small red sign say 'Westwood Flying A'. So it's no doubt somewhere in Westwood.
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The same angle is not possible. That parking lot has been built over.


gsv

That's 10889 Wilshire between Westwood Blvd and Glendon Ave.

Claud Beelman designed it. Armand Hammer's Occidental Petroleum was in it 1968-2014. The finish is very similar to Beelman's Signal Oil Building at W 6th and S Flower and also not unlike his Tidewater Oil (now Harbor) Building at Wilshire and Crenshaw.

UCLA leases it now, with the Hammer Museum offices occupying the first five floors. The Hammer Museum (operated by UCLA) was built directly behind it.


google maps

LA Conservancy's write up on the pair of buildings is here

Hammer is buried diagonally across the Glendon/Wilshire intersection at Westwood Village Memorial Park Cemetery b/c he likes to keep an eye on things.

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